Posted 03 July 2014 - 18:29
As I said in the other thread, as long as the prices are fair, then I don't care how long it takes. Though, seeing how it is taking this long, I'm hoping the prices will be on the higher side because the AH will most likely get bombarded with all those items once HCS releases the actual prices.
And personal upgrades would be a nice sink for the tokens. Buffs could be another option because they don't last forever.
Posted 08 July 2014 - 14:51
cool...thanks for answer bg...i started this post and after some time and seeing how much all prizes have hit rock bottom, I have a big headache and makes pricing these prizes awfully hard (good luck bg)- i think all of my suggested prices need to be doubled or tripled, or else all arena prizes will be completly worthless...(if not already, due to major error the first day), so i have been thinking about other possible prizes- namely upgrades
since 1 token = 4k (i do believe they are worth more than that, selling prizes will get you more than 4k per token)
here are some suggested prices, feel free to come up with your own ideas for pricing
+1 current stam- 1 token
+1 max stam- 5 tokens
+1 bp slot- 300 tokens
+1 ah slot- 400 tokens
other upgrades falling around same exchange rate, just no token exchanges for stam gain or xp gain..those need to stay in the fsp upgrade section....just an idea...since many players will not be attracted to arena for the prizes now available, because all prizes are now worthless, or close to worthless..maybe they will get attracted if they knew they could save up tokens for upgrades..
Posted 08 July 2014 - 14:57
cool...thanks for answer bg...i started this post and after some time and seeing how much all prizes have hit rock bottom, I have a big headache and makes pricing these prizes awfully hard (good luck bg)- i think all of my suggested prices need to be doubled or tripled, or else all arena prizes will be completly worthless...(if not already, due to major error the first day), so i have been thinking about other possible prizes- namely upgrades
since 1 token = 4k (i do believe they are worth more than that, selling prizes will get you more than 4k per token)
here are some suggested prices, feel free to come up with your own ideas for pricing
+1 current stam- 1 token
+1 max stam- 5 tokens
+1 bp slot- 300 tokens
+1 ah slot- 400 tokens
other upgrades falling around same exchange rate, just no token exchanges for stam gain or xp gain..those need to stay in the fsp upgrade section....just an idea...since many players will not be attracted to arena for the prizes now available, because all prizes are now worthless, or close to worthless..maybe they will get attracted if they knew they could save up tokens for upgrades..
i failed to see how any of the low token suggestions by many would EVER succeed, if any of those items are to be salvaged within the next 9 to 12 months they need MUCH bigger markups, now noone has to win the "crap" stuff and with everyone able to own MANY of each set it makes everything almost worthless anyway, best hope is the new prizes grim mentioned and making them something for people to chip away at, some saving grace for at least the potions is they were marked up to 2k tokens but i wonder how many people have bp's full of them 
EDIT: eg, in the first couple of days i could have bought THOUSANDS of the potions 
Edited by Undjuvion, 08 July 2014 - 14:59.
Posted 08 July 2014 - 15:34
i failed to see how any of the low token suggestions by many would EVER succeed, if any of those items are to be salvaged within the next 9 to 12 months they need MUCH bigger markups, now noone has to win the "crap" stuff and with everyone able to own MANY of each set it makes everything almost worthless anyway, best hope is the new prizes grim mentioned and making them something for people to chip away at, some saving grace for at least the potions is they were marked up to 2k tokens but i wonder how many people have bp's full of them
EDIT: eg, in the first couple of days i could have bought THOUSANDS of the potions
many did buy 100's if not 1000's of them and thus the market for arena prizes are forever crashed..which makes pricing those pots now very difficult..and like i just said earlier..i do think all prices need to go way higher than what i first suggested..and i totally agree, that new prizes of some sort need to be made..new gear, new pots, maybe upgrades...what we have now is not going to help attract players to try arena..
Posted 08 July 2014 - 15:40
many did buy 100's if not 1000's of them and thus the market for arena prizes are forever crashed..which makes pricing those pots now very difficult..and like i just said earlier..i do think all prices need to go way higher than what i first suggested..and i totally agree, that new prizes of some sort need to be made..new gear, new pots, maybe upgrades...what we have now is not going to help attract players to try arena..
i agree, sustaining arena play is only for the rich without prizes of value, i must have spent a hundred million gold or more i reckon at a guess in the last week or so, maybe double that maybe half of that i dont keep track, arena has slowed more now but someone who doesnt get sellable prizes cant afford it like people with uber fsp can
Posted 08 July 2014 - 15:52
if u look ahead at how this system actually works, with each prize being distributed to so many and not left how shin designed it, it is actually most propable that upping token prices to make the items more valuable will only make it so less can afford to play to build up to those prizes, in effect i see the arena only ever being slow or a rich mans toy if we stick with the system how it is, about all that can be done is WAY lower entrance costs by about 5x and just accept prizes wont be valuable for very long or even really as much BUT thatd let everybody or more people play, many may be more inclined to play if it was cheaper too
Edited by Undjuvion, 08 July 2014 - 15:53.
Posted 15 July 2014 - 13:50
Got this open and have listed the Arena Potions by name and added their average FSP or Gold cost from those which are in the AH.
Now I gotta cross reference the costs I calculate to those of this thread.
Except I now gotta cross reference your buff levels with my names. Gah!
In any event, I'm working on this.
Then probably Quango.
Posted 15 July 2014 - 14:05
Got this open and have listed the Arena Potions by name and added their average FSP or Gold cost from those which are in the AH.
Now I gotta cross reference the costs I calculate to those of this thread.
Except I now gotta cross reference your buff levels with my names. Gah!
In any event, I'm working on this.
Then probably Quango.
Ok don't forget making it possible to bulk trade tokens for gold too ..if you noticed original arena update 3 thread
Thanks
Edited by shindrak, 15 July 2014 - 14:06.
Posted 15 July 2014 - 14:21
Don't forget making it possible to bulk trade tokens for gold too.
That's code, that's outta my hands. We are aware of this request though.
Posted 15 July 2014 - 14:37
Got this open and have listed the Arena Potions by name and added their average FSP or Gold cost from those which are in the AH.
Now I gotta cross reference the costs I calculate to those of this thread.
Except I now gotta cross reference your buff levels with my names. Gah!
In any event, I'm working on this.
Then probably Quango.
Posted 15 July 2014 - 14:44
Yes, they'll be static prices. Dynamic pricing was never going to happen.
Posted 15 July 2014 - 17:13
I wonder how many tokens some people have accumulated in the time it has taken for this decision to be made? Probably enough to buy enough of every potion regardless of the price so they can hold the same monopoly 
At least I will know how many years i will need to play to afford one potion, given my "expertise" in the arena 
Edited by Davros81, 15 July 2014 - 17:14.
Posted 15 July 2014 - 18:35
Okay. Got a fair whack on numbers and names sorted. Will look to have this finished tomorrow.
excellent...have you looked into getting the leveling spawning solution that the community has given great approval of..thx bg..you are getting arena better...just need something to join..
Posted 15 July 2014 - 20:15
YES...FINALLY! =) please please code the ARENA TOKENS for GOLD! IT takes FOREVER to cash them in ! thanks
Posted 15 July 2014 - 20:39
Okay. Got a fair whack on numbers and names sorted. Will look to have this finished tomorrow.
Just a thought but ....
Before you implement the new pricing structure, how about possibly posting your thoughts on what they should be here and seeing if the concensus is in agreement ?
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Posted 16 July 2014 - 11:23
Got this open and have listed the Arena Potions by name and added their average FSP or Gold cost from those which are in the AH.
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Posted 16 July 2014 - 20:07
When the potions were available for a low token price, only a bunch of arena-pro's had enough tokens on hand, to stock up on these potions. Now they pretty much can set the price as they wish. Just check who is selling the potions, you see the same handful of players having listed the majority of them. In my opinion the AH prices are inflated, thus the AH is not a good reflection of reasonable pricing.
Same Excuses from players who don't play arena lots of players joined arena recently who didnt play it much and they earned tokens to get their own pots too why don't you try? then you won't have to worry Bm300 , LF 600 potions much cheaper than before ...
Remember when they were going for 30-40fsp? Now its fair i believe
Edited by shindrak, 16 July 2014 - 20:08.
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