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[Rek]

I do have one very very simple suggestion,,, tie exp loss to guild exp just like gaining it is tied to guild exp. Its a very simple fix to this

And what do you suggest those players that are stuck at EOC do, other than Fiddle their thumbs; and wait for HCS to add new content?

[maxdragon]

instead of chaning so many things then is not it a much better and easier way if HCS just change the XP that champions give? just change them so that champions give as much xp as normal creatures!  PROBLEM SOLVED

[yotwehc]

Due to the topic I don't think we would ever get a overall majority so in this case I would be looking for at least 50% of players to agree with the change.

I have to say that's a bit disappointing. No ones hands are clean on this issue.
- both levellers and non levellers have taken advantage of this
- your hurting your oldest and loyalist player base
- hate to say it, but without content, this problem would never have existed. I don't think anyone would care if I took advantage of this exploit. But if I were at eoc, the story changes. Those guys did things the old fashioned way without the huge benefits we now get. Why disenfranchise them more?
As passionate as the subject is, 50% to declare the change worthy seems a low bar.
Good luck with this. Either way, I don't see a positive outcome.

[Bleltch]

If you don't agree with any of the suggestions please let us know what you would suggest instead

I made possible suggestions in the other thread. 

[gomezkilla]

And what do you suggest those players that are stuck at EOC do, other than Fiddle their thumbs; and wait for HCS to add new content?

There are other aspects of the game that you could try out. Titan hunting, se hunting, etc

[spyders]

 

 

1) Add an Gold upgrade option which allows you to de-level you character for 'x' gold per level (based on your level and the amount of levels you want to drop). This would be usable once per day.

 

2) Apply a stat reduction to characters attacking creatures (Normal, Champions and Elites) which are much higher than your current AL. For example:

 

Creature between 6 and 10 levels above: -50% to stats

Creature between 11 and 15 levels above: -75% to stats

Creature between 16+ levels above: -95% to stats

 

(Thanks to Shardoom for this suggestion!)

 

3) Reduce the amount of XP gained if the creature is 5 or more levels above your current AL by 5% per level the creature is higher than you.

 

 

1) We can buy lvls so it's ok to buy delevels  at the same price.

 

2)Maybe think at something starting after 20lvls above or 30lvls...we need this for Best Player fight

 

3) I agree to reduce at 1xp per creature  ,but  same thing after 20/30lvls above

[RebornJedi]

let's just keep allowing players to level off one creature for hundreds of levels..   

[watagashi]

And what do you suggest those players that are stuck at EOC do, other than Fiddle their thumbs; and wait for HCS to add new content?

buff titan hunt or SE hunt or fragment,, all the things that were pushed as a reason they should have more per gear fraged. there are benefits to getting to EoC,,wasnt the rallying cry for it?

 

Always seemed funny to me you can lose exp but your guild cant,, would make pvp a bit more exciting too.

[Mister Doom]

These poll results so far are just disgraceful. As it stands now with the downsides being voted off and the gold being voting in.

Hoof (if he follows the poll) is going to just make it even easier for players to exploit the game. :S

[dah342]

There are other aspects of the game that you could try out. Titan hunting, se hunting, etc

 

 

I have to say that's a bit disappointing. No ones hands are clean on this issue.
- both levellers and non levellers have taken advantage of this
- your hurting your oldest and loyalist player base
- hate to say it, but without content, this problem would never have existed. I don't think anyone would care if I took advantage of this exploit. But if I were at eoc, the story changes. Those guys did things the old fashioned way without the huge benefits we now get. Why disenfranchise them more?
As passionate as the subject is, 50% to declare the change worthy seems a low bar.
Good luck with this. Either way, I don't see a positive outcome.

You guys are stuck in trance of looking at the wrong solutions. Honestly, this doesn't hurt anyone. There is no exploit as multiple people have called it. 

You guys that are complaining aren't even around this area. 

yot mentioned that players that aren't at EOC and do this, don't get bashed on, but if you were/are and you did this, you are suddenly a pinata that everyone wants a turn at the bat.

I'm not even close to EOC, probably won't be for years (If HCS continued there timing of updating), so this doesn't necessarily concern me, but it affects quite a few people in my guild.

If you guys had to wait for content to be released, which it seems to at times take weeks, and have overflowing stam, what would you suggest to do?

At that point most EOC'rs have already Titan Hunted/SE Hunted/GvGed/PvPed/Arena/Pretty Much everything.

So you either quit or find something new to do.

That's exactly what this is, it's something to keep the game fresh, while also helping keep the guild thriving.

It doesn't matter if you think this is an exploit/bug, because it isn't. If it was Hoof wouldn't have made a thread and had the option to 'fix it'. 

If it was a gosh darn bug, it would've been fixed without question.

I'm trying to keep it civil here, but seriously, pull up your guys' big girl panties and suck it up.

[Davros81]

voted no on all 3 ideas, the only concept i was ever in favour of was kicking people  out of realms their actual level does not make them applicable for, EG, if a player is level 1100 he or she should not be able to sit in a level 1800 realm. Just because your virtual level says you got to the realm your sat in should not give you a pass to sit there should your actual level drop. In my humble opinion this is the only way to make people relevel through the realms as it should be done and stop what is essentially automation, using AM500 and auto reload whilst sat on an EOC champion.

[RebornJedi]

voted no on all 3 ideas, the only concept i was ever in favour of was kicking people  out of realms their actual level does not make them applicable for, EG, if a player is level 1100 he or she should not be able to sit in a level 1800 realm. Just because your virtual level says you got to the realm your sat in should not give you a pass to sit there should your actual level drop. In my humble opinion this is the only way to make people relevel through the realms as it should be done and stop what is essentially automation, using AM500 and auto reload whilst sat on an EOC champion.

bold just makes leveling off one creature for hundreds of levels even worse...

[Rek]

You guys are stuck in trance of looking at the wrong solutions. Honestly, this doesn't hurt anyone. There is no exploit as multiple people have called it. 

You guys that are complaining aren't even around this area. 

yot mentioned that players that aren't at EOC and do this, don't get bashed on, but if you were/are and you did this, you are suddenly a pinata that everyone wants a turn at the bat.

I'm not even close to EOC, probably won't be for years (If HCS continued there timing of updating), so this doesn't necessarily concern me, but it affects quite a few people in my guild.

If you guys had to wait for content to be released, which it seems to at times take weeks, and have overflowing stam, what would you suggest to do?

At that point most EOC'rs have already Titan Hunted/SE Hunted/GvGed/PvPed/Arena/Pretty Much everything.

So you either quit or find something new to do.

That's exactly what this is, it's something to keep the game fresh, while also helping keep the guild thriving.

It doesn't matter if you think this is an exploit/bug, because it isn't. If it was Hoof wouldn't have made a thread and had the option to 'fix it'. 

If it was a gosh darn bug, it would've been fixed without question.

I'm trying to keep it civil here, but seriously, pull up your guys' big girl panties and suck it up.

+1 

[watagashi]

voted no on all 3 ideas, the only concept i was ever in favour of was kicking people  out of realms their actual level does not make them applicable for, EG, if a player is level 1100 he or she should not be able to sit in a level 1800 realm. Just because your virtual level says you got to the realm your sat in should not give you a pass to sit there should your actual level drop. In my humble opinion this is the only way to make people relevel through the realms as it should be done and stop what is essentially automation, using AM500 and auto reload whilst sat on an EOC champion.

+2 this works better

 

Though I think you need to add a countdown say 24 hours from first log on with a lower AL to the move. this gives everyone time to relevel or move as it doesnt seem fair to auto transport someone because they got bountyed without some grace period.

Edited by watagashi, 09 December 2013 - 17:34.

[maxdragon]

usually in most RPGs you could not kill a creature whose level is much higher than your own (better armor, lots of XP), sometimes games have a bug and you can exploit a feature to level from for example: lvl 20 to lvl 60 in only one battle, this is called an EXPLOIT which many of you fail or just do not want to understand AND that EXPLOIT needs to be FIXING regardless of how long it has been arround, how many have already used it or if the pvpers / levelers are happy / unhappy!

 

couple solutions:

 

1. change that champions give as much xp as normal creatures (easiest solution)
2. AM500 needs to be lowered
3. if VL > AL by 16 levels difference then automatically teleport back to krul island

 

again: an EXPLOIT needs to be FIXING !!!

 

I never understood why a 2nd levelng should be easier than the 1st one????

if you are re-leveling then do it like the 1st one

[Grimwald]

Well, I am not EOC and i will probably never be. But option 2 and 3 sounds to me punishing EOC players who have been waiting for content too often.  The problem is caused by HCS by making new content too sparse, so that EOC-levellers will have nothing to do and by putting TOO much epic potions into the game. This huge relevelling is ONLY possible because players have their stamina banks overflowing while waiting for new content AND having a bunch of epic potions sitting in their backpack.

 

Option 1, will allow those who want to stay off the bounty board and play the game like they did the last couple of months, doing something with their stamina waiting on new content to show up. While the other options will make relevelling after getting hit in a guildwar very slow and painfull.

[BeigeRhino]

Hoof , the best way to deal with this issue is the same way Actual level and virtual level works , you are unable to equip gear above your actual lvl , there for I don't think you should be able to use the maps either . I have no issue with players at EOC wanting to get more GXP by delvling , my issue is the way it's done I don't think its fair a player sits hit the same EOC mob with big pots active , if these players that want to de lvl to re lvl for the GXP on the same mobs as there actual level is then go right ahead , I bet if it was done in this way , you will never see a EOC delvling again . Make it so that should a player drop more than 10 lvls he or she is tele ported back to the start , easy solves all the issues in one hit .

[Hoofmaster]

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