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#1 Brice

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Posted 03 May 2014 - 05:06

ALL RIGHTY FS!!! Since starting my other Forum "suggestions on upgrades for the Arena", a lot of players here and in the game have said they have a hard time finding tips and advice about the Arena. So I figured what the heck why not put all my cards on the table...step up...and help out new comers to the Arena :)
Let me start by saying I'm going to spill my guts and most of my knowledge but if your here just looking for a freebie Arena setup your not going to find it and I hope anyone that may post things here won't either, but all are welcome to post what they like about the Arena here. I only say this because I myself have worked hard building my Arena sets through trial and error, also, I find that this is one of the most intriguing parts of the Arena that you learn as you go and figure out how the Arena works. I will give tips and pointers on how to build an Arena setup ...at least how I did it and still do it :)
LETS GET STARTED!!!
WELCOME NEWBIES TO THE ARENA!!!
Basic Arena info 101:
So your interested in one of the best parts of of Fallen Sword(the Arena) but you don't know where to start or how to win one...well guess what...hate to break it to ya...but you will lose more than you will win and if it was easy there would be no fun in it ha!!! That's what I love about it...it's tough to win but when you do you will get hooked :D
BE PATIENT AND DONT GET DISCOURAGED
1. When starting out you need to be selective in what you enter...focus on getting all of your combat moves and enter Gold and Item Arena's that don't require them...this way it's fair for you and you don't need combat moves to win.
2. Combat Moves: you need these to be successful in the Arena...most important ones needed Pierce Strike(PS), Power Attack(PA),Crush,Weaken,Spin Attack(SA),Counter Attack(CA),Deflect,Dodge,Critical Hit(CH),and Freeze...the other combat moves are ok and you still need to acquire them, but these are the ones you will end up using the most. I suggest that you enter every combat move Arena available to you.
3. Types of Arena's to enter...you need to pay attention to what type of Arena your entering...if it has a check mark in the box then it's active in that Arena...example...Epics allowed, Hell Forged stats, Combat Moves...if it has an "X" in the box then it's not active and stats,equipment, or combat moves will not count.
4. PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT OTHER PLAYERS ARE DOING...how did they win...were they in an Armor setup or a Defensive setup....you can tell by how the battle plays out...every Arena setup can be beat or countered.
5. When entering a non-combat move Arena there is what's called the fatigue system,in which, after every 10 combat rounds your stats will weaken until there is a winner...if entering with an Armor setup make sure you have at least 61hps due to there are 61 rounds in an Arena.
That's it for this part...Best of luck!!!

#2 Brice

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Posted 03 May 2014 - 05:22

Arena setups:
When I build a basic Arena set I will focus on 2 stats only...example...Defense/Damage, Defense/Attack, Armor/Damage, Armor/Attack...etc...all types of setups win in the Arena it's just what you prefer or like...I like them all!!! Most Successful Arena sets are typically good for up to 25 to 50 levels above the highest level piece equipped.
Setups and Combat Moves:
If you are using a Defensive Setup...you will want to use your Weakens, Crushes, Spin Attacks, Pierce Strikes, and maybe a freeze or 2 in any combination...if your going to bust out a PS use a Freeze before it...you might get lucky and freeze the player your going up against to smash there Armor.
If you using an Armor setup...you will want to use your Counter Attacks, Power Attacks, Pierce Strikes, Critical Hits, Deflects, and Dodges, you can use SA's too...deflects,dodges,blocks,and defends will negate a PS or keep it from doing severe damage to you.
Think of Combat move Arenas like your playing "Rock,Paper,Scissors" with seven other people :D

Edited by Brice, 03 May 2014 - 05:25.


#3 Brice

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Posted 03 May 2014 - 05:36

Keep notes:
Once you start figuring out how the Arena works and you get a few wins under your belt...keep notes(write it down) on what Type of Arena setup you used, what kind of Arena was it(epic,hell forged,combat moves, or all of the above), and what level it was, and if it was a combat move Arena what Combat move set you used.

#4 kimbo

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Posted 03 May 2014 - 06:34

A very HELPFUL Tips and Advice indeed from the " MAESTRO " :)



#5 Brice

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Posted 03 May 2014 - 06:36

Feel free to ask any questions you have regarding the Arena and I will do my best to answer them all, or post advice if you like too...this Forum will be all about helping players and getting more players involved with the Arena

Edited by Brice, 03 May 2014 - 06:37.


#6 Brinmoth

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Posted 03 May 2014 - 07:02

The OP has done a good job covering most of the basics I think I'll expand on the play styles in the arena

 

We'll start with an overview Armour play styles.

Armour Attack

This style while rarely used can be a very powerful option in ranges where many people use defense.
The crux of this style is boosting your attack to hit defense foes while you take negligible damage from them, be aware that other armour players will be very tough match ups (though not impossible to beat) due your low damage.

Suggested moves:

SA: This is your main move against defence users. Depending on the range you can win against defense users with only 1 or 2 spins.

Deflect: You're going to want to use these the reason you want to do this is for the fact that this nullifies armour reduction from PS it can also save you from taking a big hit from PA or CH, which is good because most armour users will try to nail you with one of those moves after they use PS.

Dodge You should consider using this move for the same reasons you'll want deflect.

(optional) Block Once you get a feel for how your opposition plays you might want to use this to predict people using PA.

PS Have 1 or 2 of these handy for armour foes.

Crush can be used follow up PS. You can use CH if you wish for better damage matchups I just find CR better because it no-sells the defensive options your opponent has. No point in using PA with this type of set.... The damage boost wont really help you.

Armour Damage

This style is highly used... For good reason, it has an answer for most other play styles.
Which stat you make your primary matters quite a bit more with armour damage as they follow two different styles.

If your primary stat is damage you're looking to hit your oppontent with a big attack, or use PA boosted damage for a big attack.

If your primrary stat is armour then you're looking to use PS to lead into a big attack.

Regardless of your primrary CA will be the key to winning matchups against defense players.

Suggested moves:

CA these are needed if you are using armour damage! No exceptions! It's your only answer to defense players. Defense players leave them selves vulnerable to CA when they use SA (to get the edge over other defense users) or when they use PS to handle armour users.

Deflect  same reasons as Arm/Atk players, you might consider using 2 or maybe even 1 though depends on which optional moves you want to use.

Dodge (optional) You should consider using 1 or 2 of these for the same reasons you'll want deflect.

Block (optional) Same reasons as Arm/Atk players.

PS Have these handy for armour foes. Have a strong follow up like PA or CH for at least 1 but don't feel obligated to do so for all of them if you are running more than 1 PS.

Now that you have a good idea how armour sets play. It's time to cover defense play styles.

Defense Attack

Another widely used set type because like armour damage it has and answer for pretty much everything. Esentially you'll be using SA/Weaken to take down other defense players and a freeze/PS/Crush combo to deal with armour players.

If defense is your primrary stat then you're relying on weaken to take down other defense players.

If attack is your primrary stat you'll want to put that attack stat to use by using SA to beat other defense players.

Suggested moves:

Freeze: 25% chance to give you a free turn (for 2 free turns if your opponents are using BL) The real draw of this is that fact if can disable almost any move if it lands. Use this before PS It can save you from dangers like CA or make PS effective on the defensive move options of Armour players.

PS: Have 1 of these to handle armour users. You genereally don't need more than one if you're using Freeze before it.

Crush: Use 1 of these the follow up PS. Others are to be used to follow up weaken.
 

 

Weaken: these in your move slots even if you make attack the focus having these can be useful in case you miscalculate on atk/def values in the range. also good moves to fill up slots with as armour damage have no way to punish you outside CA.

SA This is your main move if attack is your primrary stat. A good atk primrary can take out most def sets in 1 or 2 spins.


Defense Damage

Crush :  To hit your opponents tand  use that damage stat.

PA: To boost that damage stat, this risks being countered bu armour users

Weaken: Same reason as  attack defense players, might not be as effective due to your lower attack stat.


Edited by Brinmoth, 03 May 2014 - 10:23.


#7 Tastria

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Posted 03 May 2014 - 15:48

Good move synopsis!  The only suggestion I have here, is that one should print this out, and have it right in front of them as they are allotting moves.

      This also allows folk to see what might be the most advantageous moves to have, and for new comers, to join contests where these are the rewards.

     It also should be noted that basic attack has it's place too, and just because you have to use it, does not mean that it won't hold up, or at least give some damage, against  other attacks.

    You can also join where combat moves aren't allowed, then it's gear against gear.

 

    "It's all connected you know." 



#8 shindrak

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Posted 03 May 2014 - 16:10

I'll give small tip but very effective !

"Always check out how you won before how you lost" B)

even check how the winner won even wasn't you

 

This way you will know how to figure out the best options for yourself in moves and stats


Edited by shindrak, 03 May 2014 - 16:14.


#9 Brice

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Posted 04 May 2014 - 17:00

Let me also express that entering a low level Arena isn't any easier than a high level one...as a matter of fact...the lower the level the less gear you have to choose from...the higher levels give you a more broad range of gear to play with!!! That's why my BP is jammed full....lol

#10 Undjuvion

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Posted 04 May 2014 - 17:21

helpful and a good idea, ty brice and contributors, i like to think of the arena as "rock/paper/scissors" ,chances are if you run into a rock setup and you are in a scissors setup then the odds definitely arent in your favor :P



#11 Maj

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Posted 05 May 2014 - 14:33

Another useful tip:

 

 

Keep track of all your arena match data in a spreadsheet. The data should roughly/minimally include:

 

- Max equip level

- Your stats (Atk, Def, Arm, Dmg, HP)

- Your play style (Atk/Def, Def/Dmg, etc)

- The moves you used

- The gear you used

- 1st opponent, 1st opponent play style, 1st opponent moves, 1st round result (did you win or lose?)

- 2nd opponent, 2nd opponent play style, 2nd opponent moves, 2nd round result

- 3rd opponent, 3rd opponent play style, 3rd opponent moves, 3rd round result

- 4th opponent, 4th opponent play style, 4th opponent moves, 4th round result (for 16-player matches)

- Notes (this is where you take notes on the moves you should've used, gear you should've used, and other adjustments you need to make)

 

Having access to historical data will help you prepare and win even against the best arena players.


Edited by Maj, 05 May 2014 - 17:25.


#12 yotwehc

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Posted 05 May 2014 - 16:59

I thought you couldn't see your opponents setup? That would be tremendously helpful if you could but my understanding is that's closely guarded secret

Edited by yotwehc, 05 May 2014 - 16:59.


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Posted 05 May 2014 - 17:23

I thought you couldn't see your opponents setup? That would be tremendously helpful if you could but my understanding is that's closely guarded secret

You can't exactly know his gear and stats, but you can deduce whether a player uses Def or Arm setup based on his moves. When I said 'setup', I meant 'play style'.


Edited by Maj, 05 May 2014 - 17:26.


#14 gomezkilla

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Posted 06 May 2014 - 02:05

One thing that helped me make some setups is find an approximate max for each stat (excluding HP).. meaning, at Level X, the most attack I could ever get is Y. Then take those numbers and get as close as possible to two of the stats with your gear. 

 

Gomez.



#15 yghorbeviahn

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 07:04

I'm not an expert, not even close, and that's why I'm giving my tips as a newbie, must be important for starting players.

1 - Try to develop your own setups while you're getting the moves at the Novice area, that will give you a lot of loses, and they are more important than the wins, so you can understand how to upgrade your skills.

2 - Ask! I'm sure you have a friend or a guildmate who play the Arena, ask for some advice, usually guildmates have access to the same amount of gear than you, so will be a lot easier to follow then on Guild Log. 

3 - Keep notes, as everyone said above.

4 - Keep a week results, something like 80 loses x 8 wins, what gives you a 10% win rate, your plan is to raise that rate every week.

5 - The low level Arenas need a lot more Epics than the high level ones. 

6 - Don't give up that easy, I know you're losing more than winning, and that's normal, I remember a case of 60 Arenas without any win.

7 - Pay attetion to the new setups, on the Dragon LE Events we had a big setup change, and a friend won 8+ gold Arenas in a day with those new setups in the day they were released.

 



#16 Brinmoth

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Posted 14 May 2014 - 09:26

Bumping so this topic isn't forgotten, some good information here.. Be a shame if it were to disappear.

 

This should be pinned IMO



#17 DomCorvis

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Posted 14 May 2014 - 12:52

brilliant advice and thread. thank you brice.


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#18 Davros81

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Posted 16 May 2014 - 14:39

My advice would be have a very big backpack and buy a lot of gear, focus on combining as many sets as possible. Also, pay attention to what moves affect which stats. When I started playing my mentor told me to always go defense damage with lunge, but then again he was the guild noob!! :D :D :D :D :D :D



#19 yodamus

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Posted 16 May 2014 - 15:18

excellent thread brice..keep up the good work..and ideas..my little piece of advice..if just starting..get your moves,,then enter cheaper tourneys..lots of very cheap ones out there..see how the battles go..even the other battles that you are not involved with, to see how moves affect each other..dont get discouraged..everybody loses a lot..if doing cheap ones, you will not lose that much gold, keep trying..many newer players do get wins..enjoy arena- best part of game where no stamina is needed..



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Posted 17 July 2014 - 12:41

excellent thread brice..keep up the good work..and ideas..my little piece of advice..if just starting..get your moves,,then enter cheaper tourneys..lots of very cheap ones out there..see how the battles go..even the other battles that you are not involved with, to see how moves affect each other..dont get discouraged..everybody loses a lot..if doing cheap ones, you will not lose that much gold, keep trying..many newer players do get wins..enjoy arena- best part of game where no stamina is needed..

Unfortunately there aren't much cheap ones anymore with the current Arena Systems :(

 

Bumping this thread at same time and maybe getting it pinned :P




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