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Oh and I agree with HD. If you are really not in it anymore and HCS will not support Legacy then let us crowdsource and pull resources and buy it out.

This ensures that your baby doesnt just die and you can see it flourish (maybe even join us as a player)

I am also a player that is on his second account. my first account was created in 2007. It got deleted due to inactivity because I was deployed and wasn't able to access the site, it happens and I understand why, back then inactive accounts were deleted to keep an accurate total of people that either cared enough to pay for a permanent account or play enough to keep their account alive. The reason I bring up my past is that Legacy made such an impact on me that when things balanced out a little better for me, I came back to the game. In fact, I even paid rl money to make my current account permanent, until HCS changed it so even the people that play for 5 min and never come back are permanent too. I know I am no longer the most active player, military life will do that, since rl comes first, but I love to come back to legacy after being out for a few months and see how my family in DF has grown or changed. I also hope every time that I see something new with the game, anything new. I would even be excited for a simple logo mod every so often like google does all the time, because at least then I could see that the higher level staff came to visit. I have heard for years that this change or that change is coming and then hear why it has been dropped. I heard a promise that HCS would proudly advertise Legacy and we would see new players join. I have heard many great things....

I love this game. I have played many free, browser based games, but at the end of the day, it's leacy that I compare them to and legacy I come back to... I do know what will make it popular or fancy, I have no clue how to make it over shadow all the rest, but what I do know is that having only the volunteer staff present and the appearance of HCS or other paid staff as frequent a Cain telling DF how great we are doing is not the answer.

The most evident thing I can use to prove my point is this:

Legacy Blog:

The latest game news is displayed below, you can also view this on our homepage.
 

that's 20 days ago...

and the last blog from zorg...

Game News - Posted by Zorg on Wednesday, July 1st 2015

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#LegAcy!

#PlayerOwnerShip!

#BestForBusiness!

#WeThePeople!

I've been pretty burnt out on Legacy ever since the combat updates I was working on / planning got rolled back. Big changes just don't go down well, they always get negative feedback from most of the player base, and it's big changes Legacy would need to truly revitalize it.

Instead I'm stuck doing new "addon" systems, like sockets, item levels, expanded inventory, new end game items. These aren't remotely appealing to new players and barely entertain old players for more than a week or two.

Ok I am on board, let's do this. Let the big changes rolllllllllllllllllllllll. You will return to the game ?? and talk to us about stuff and get things going again and if people bash your efforts, then you can say I told you so and leave. Deal 

Ok I am on board, let's do this. Let the big changes rolllllllllllllllllllllll. You will return to the game ?? and talk to us about stuff and get things going again and if people bash your efforts, then you can say I told you so and leave. Deal 

Agreed! Lets get this thing started! if its a sinking ship anyway we might as well go down fighting!

At this point, I believe the community is perfectly fine with anything. And Zorg, I'm sure you of all people are fully aware of this, but you cannot and will not please everyone. It's your game. If you think you have a way to make it better, then go for it. It's really easy to tune out the people who do nothing but logon to whine and complain about everything.

And like people have said, break the holy hell out of the Dev server is that's what it takes to make it happen.

I will say this; HCS failed to deliver on their promise.

The plan was for then to assist with this game a bit.

Zorg was supposed to retain total control, but HCS promised to aid in seeing this game grow.

They utterly failed to keep this promise and have thus lost the community's trust.

HCS simply never even tried to earn it in the first place really; they went silent a mere week after the merge.

So whether or not they will assist Zorg is up in the air.

I hope you can convince them to do so though.

Because let's face it, you're no longer a 1-man company.

You now have colleges with coding experience; I don't see why the company cannot work together on a new system.

It's time to use the resources available, as was promised.

And as for the overhauls you mentioned, we have the Dev server.

Throw it in there and let the Avatars test it out.

We'll give our feedback on what to improve and whatnot.

It's a system that everyone wants to see a change on.

Get the Elders involved.

I doubt there are people in FS who don't complain about certain updates; that player-base exists for every game.

As of this Post, my account is 10 days away from being 10 years old.

Like you've stated, this game is as old as WoW.

And it still has a community playing it.

Don't let it rot away.

If you do, at least be upfront and tell us that no work will ever be worked on from here on out.

We're hopeless people; we'll stay until HCS pulls the plug.

Even then, I'm pretty sure we'll find a forums to chat on anyways.

We're pretty tight-knit.

Greetings to HCS in general. You may not know who I am, but I am Will. One of the Volunteer Helpers over at Legacy. I am here to express a few concerns that I, myself, have that I wish to bring forth and hopefully have addressed. Some of these issues, I know the community as a whole has as well, but they feel it's pointless to even mention it. Which is something I intend to cover as well. Which, unfortunately, means that this post will be quite a read. So I apologize in advance for that.

What my concerns are stem from 3 specific things: Staff, Player, and the Game itself.

The Staff Side:

When I first applied for staff 4 years ago, almost everyone that was currently staff had to step down because Zorg joined HCS. The reason given was because Legacy would now be part of HCS. Which meant that staff from HCS would join in and help on the staff side of the house. I decided that I would stick around since I just joined the team and I would be able to easily mold into whatever needed to be done.

A short time after the merge, we were introduced to a few individuals. They hung around, chatted with the community, posted in the forums, it looked great. But then something happened. Everyone vanished. Almost literally to never be heard from again.

Why is this a problem for me and the other staff specifically? Well, we are no longer allowed to do certain things or be able to view certain things. Such as assist players with account issues. Reason being, we are not allowed to see the emails attached to accounts. We have a harder time catching potential multiple accounts (something not allowed at Legacy) because we are not allowed to see passwords.

This is all fine and good and I fully understand the reason behind it. Privacy related issues and etc etc. But the problem starts when there is nobody around to solve the issue. I can only hope when someone comes to me with an "account issue" is that it's an old, returning player and that they just have to make an HCS account to merge with their Legacy account. And if that's not the case and say they need an email change, that brings up an entire new problem. Relying on the ticket system.

I cannot speak for the other games that HCS own and how their process is done, but I can speak for Legacy. I have went 3, 7, even as long as almost 21 days waiting for tickets to be approved before I can view them. This part, I can also understand because the reason I was given, again, was it could pertain to email specific issues and that is something that I as an unpaid employee to the game, cannot view for privacy reasons. But again, if a person is forced to wait 21 days before they finally get a response, chances are they have just sucked it up and moved on. Or have found something else to do with their time and figured Legacy is no longer worth the time.

And it's not just account based issues. People have flat out told me that they don't bother with the ticket system anymore because the response time is horrid. And whenever I explain to them that it's not our (the Legacy staff) fault because we have to wait for HCS to approve it first, they honestly become appauled that it takes that long before they finally get a ticket approved so Legacy staff can come in to try and help. Which means all kinds of player harassment and abuse are left alone to never be dealt with because...the players feel they can't rely on staff to handle it because it takes so long for them to finally get a response.

The Player Side:

Hard as it is for me to believe these days, I was a player at one point. But even though I haven't been a player for the past 4 years, I have seen the growing frustration of the community. And this extends beyond the normal rants that Zorg has grown accustom to from the community over the last 10 years this game has been around.

First off: like I just said, this game has been around for 10 years. 10...solid...years...Despite all the ups and downs it has had, including a server move that damn near wiped out the entire database Zorg had, people are STILL around from the first days of the games release. Whether because they still enjoy the game itself, the community/friendships they've developed over the years, or even if it's just a part of their ritual to login and see what's going on, the fact is this game has some of the most hardcore dedicated players you will EVER have. Almost no game can hold a person's attention for more than a year. This game has managed to do so for 10. That alone should inspire a company to put some attention forth.

This game, despite having one of the most loyal communities I have ever seen and being promised numerous times that it would get more attention.......it has fallen by the wayside. "Once Eldevin has launched and is on it's feet." "Once I'm done with this project." And I'm not even going to bother going over all the plans and roadmaps that were given to the community. While yes, they were upheld to almost exactly what was stated, as soon as it was done, all presence from HCS and Zorg vanished entirely. And we only see him again every 3 months to rotate our Wasteland Map.

Everyone at Legacy knows full well that there are some very talented artists at HCS. Even having a somewhat dedicated graphic artist would be a step in the right direction because this neglect has went on for so long that our longest standing graphic artist has abandoned the game due to...well the game being abandoned.

The Game itself:

Like I have said before, this game has been around for 10 years. Any game that can claim it has been around for a decade, especially a text based game, is definitely one worth investing into. There are groups of people on Legacy that would group together and buy Legacy from Zorg just to keep it alive and do frequent updates because they love the game that much. So it's understandable why people are upset right now. Frustrating as it is for me to see it day in and day out from players, I can't help but sympathize with them at the same time.

One of the excuses could be, "Well Zorg is the only one who knows how to code it." That might be the case...but that can only work for so long. And after 4 years, the community no longer wants to hear that excuse. In 4 years time, surely someone could have been brought up to speed on how things are done. But nobody probably has. Because no effort, no TRUE effort, has been put forth.

At one point, the game had an accurate playerbase. This was due to the fact that inactive players would simply be automatically deleted for inactivity. But this was removed for some reason. A reason, that honestly, was never given publically. So people were left to theorize why. And the one everyone went with was because a game with no accounts/players looks bad next to the other games. So a bigger number must mean that more people play, right?

There are currently 9180 accounts.

And most of these are people who make an account, look around for 5 seconds, and logout. Never to be heard from again. While yes, the way it use to be meant that at most you would see maybe 800 accounts, but at least that was a more accurate picture. At least those 800 were dedicated enough to keep playing or at some point have supported the game by making a donation at some point so their account became permanent. Which this overall thing looks to me as an easy out for Legacy getting no attention. As long as that number of accounts keeps increasing, it must mean that the game is good enough as it is and there's no reason to put any attention towards it. Which that is anything but the case.

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All 3 of these issues tie into each other to some degree. But there is no denying that they are issues.

I'm not here to demand anything. I'm not here to try and cause issues. I'm not here to start drama between anyone.

What I am here for, is to try and be the voice that starts the process of Legacy getting some actual attention from not just HCS, but the creator that has managed to create a game that has brought people together and has kept a loyal fanbase for so long. And continues to grow to this day.

At this point, I believe the community would be happy even if they had 1 day where there is a little chunk of time set aside specifically for Legacy. Even if it's just 3 hours of that day. There are ideas being thrown around in game all the time to try and make things better. Whether it's to better balance the gear or something totally new. So it's not like much has to be considered. Just what is willing to be worked with.

As for me, I would personally love to see some sort of presence of HCS at Legacy. Just to show that Legacy DOES matter and we're not just some addition that was added on when a certain person joined the ranks.

Thank you for your time and hopefully we (myself and the community itself) will hear from HCS/Zorg at some point. Because as this forum has shown, with a majority of the threads being about Legacy, those at Legacy do pay attention and care about Legacy. And I intend to let them know that I created this thread.

First off, it is absolutely astounding that there was no blog post made on Legacy to advertise the sale of platinum. It would suggest that HCS aren't even interested in the revenue we generate, let alone the game itself. Zorg hasn't posted a blog in over 2 months now.

 

Speaking of blogs, we are now day 22 into our new map and have yet to receive the results of the previous round. Before this we got our round results within 5 days, and the round before that on the actual day so surely a blog post to tell us cannot be a time consuming task.

 

And to top it off, what brought me to this thread, the fact that Zorg, when asked what would be happening for the 10th year anniversary, could reply to the one guy bringing us amazing graphics for Legacy with "Toolboxes? lol" It really isn't a lol situation. :/ Is Zorg suffering Legacy based depression or what?

 

I think this one is pretty darn accurate ^

It doesn't take but a few minutes (at most) to create a blog post. I would think that someone could find the time of day to create one, especially when it is about a Plat sale which is supposed to earn money for HCS.

It's an embarrassment that it has been 26 days into the new map, and results from the previous map have not been released.

Legacy is turning 10 years this year, and a few people are saying that we are getting a toolbox (because this is what was promised to us years ago. Screw your toolbox, in my eyes they're pretty worthless. I'd rather have something like, I don't know, an update? I too am one of the Avatars that have maxed out their training abilities, and is accruing a backlog. Right now there's a few abilities on the game, but again there is so many more that have been suggested in our forums.

I do appreciate the crystal update and new weapons. That is a pretty good start, but there is so much more than needs to be done on this game (not even large additions, there's a thread in the Main Forum with player added changes). We had a vote for an order of updates to be pushed out, having a revamped inventory was on this list. I'm not the best at coding, but I know that this won't take up much time at all.

edit: Oh, and Happy Valentine's day, 2 months later (see Joe's Merchandise)

I've been in this game a little over 2 years now and to some extent it has become a part of my daily life.  What draws me to the game is not really the wasteland even though I have consistently been among the weekly top 10 in wfps (that's mostly due to my ability to access the game while I'm at work).  It is the community of gamers that I have become a part of that draws me to the game.  I have made friends across all the gangs and it's been an enriching experience for me.  We may beat each other up in WL, trash talk about it, etc.  But that's just like when I hang out with friends at the park and we divide into teams and play basketball.  During the game we're gonna beat each other up and try to win of course.  At the end of it, we'd all end up at the bar, have a brew, and enjoy the friendships and the company.  That's the feeling that I get when I'm in Legacy.

I'd certainly would be bummed out if Legacy would "vanish" and lose the community we've developed.  Like many have expressed here, the lack of support and the slow pace of updates from HCS have been frustrating and affecting the growth of the game.  I really do hope that HCS would be much more responsive.

I have played this game going on 7 years now between two accounts and like how majority of the community has already said, I grew up on this game. I am satisfied that I was told about this game through friends back when i was in juniour high, i have established some good relations with people. I would dedicate some money for updates as well if people are also going to chip in to keep this game become more alive than it is now then most text-based games.

In total; I've played this gamer for almost 5 years now. My first account being around for a year and my current account, Raiden, almost hitting 4 years (~87 Days now until 4 years.) 

I've enjoy every aspect of my path of this game, and it's stuck out far more than any text-based game I've played. I've made friends on here that I am more than thankful for knowing. Aside from that, I've enjoyed leveling up and finding new ways to better myself at the game. 

While I don't participate as much in the sake of the game as much as I did before, I still love knowing the fact that it's a thriving community of people who have been around for longer than I. Simply amazing that to this day Legacy's playerbase is full of Veteran Members.

I'd donate anything I could to see the life of this game brought back to what it once was. Legacy is something I'm happy that I've stumbled across 4-5 years ago, because it's provided me the experience of a fun, unique game with a spectacular playerbase.

#WETHEPEOPLE! 

I started this game when I was at school doing my GCSE's. I'm now after 4 years of University, I'm in a well paid job, and like others already posted, I'd willing to personally fund newer updates, and g2/legacy was a huge part of my childhood. And I'd hate that to go to waste.

If everyone willing or able, donated a set amount, could easily rack up a decent amount for updates. 

I have played this game for over 6 years now and there is something very special and unique to Legacy that keeps me coming back. The community is one where people from all over the world can connect and form friendships and a good rapport with each other that I haven't really seen or experienced with any other games I have encountered.

Throughout the years, I have noticed a plunge in the interest in this game. When I saw Steven's post saying that this game used to have 10,000 active players, I am shocked! That is how bad it has gotten around here.

It's not that people aren't interested in the game anymore, it is just that there is no progress and people don't want to sit around waiting for an update or something new and never get it. Many of the active players have wonderful ideas, but they are never implemented or they are put on the "road map" and just forgotten. This game has so much more potential than it is being given, it is a shame to see it all go to waste.

To see that Legacy doesn't even have its own forum anymore is discouraging as well and just highlights the fact that HCS has already started to do away with Legacy.

Like everyone else who has posted, I also would like a definitive answer as to what will become of this game as it is special to a lot of people who still play.

lets face it because HCS didnt create legacy they only inherited it when they hired Zorg , so they dont really care about us , all they done was when they took over ownership they raided our suggestion forums and game content and uploaded it into there other dying games , they promised us updated and new players and we got plat items , when they finally gave us an updated we got half of one , its looks pretty but not quite finished.

would be nice to see a road map being followed and get this on time. also be nice to see HCS staff give legacy a try , they all have account but neva seen them online , which tells me they havent given us a chance before giving up on it .

i put to HCS staff to play legacy give it a go , enjoy the community we have .