296 replies to this topic

[Undjuvion]

gotta remember sir, as much as i like foolery, life comes first, them pots keep people able to rest and keep joints lasting longer.

[Bujon]

Good point

[Grech]

I like the Brewing Master 500.  Any high level of brewing master helps ladder and GvG players who want to stay buffed all the time.  That it will make BM 300 from arena less profitable is a plus.  It is hard to compete in the arena because of too many people entering events just to sell the rewards.  I want to get my arena medal someday.

 

The buffs potions do have levels that are too low for them to be woth purchasing, at least at 120 min duration.  Lvl 200 available in buffs market.  Extended duration would be an interesting alternative to changing the level and would make them worthwhile.

[Bujon]

I would like a spell breaker buff that nukes all my opponents buffs in one go, maybe level 750 at 0.1% chance would be ideal :-)

[Bujon]

Change Potion of Intensity to: Ok

Doubler 1500 Loyalty 200

 

Change Auspice of Ancients to:  Composed pots not required anymore?

Conserve 400 Loyalty 200

 

Change Scholars Draft to: Composed pots not required anymore?

Adept Learner 400 Loyalty 250

Librarian 400

 

Potion of Ultimate Global Acceleration Cost reduced to 1000. Ok

 

Move Fast Track Draft from Caves and upgrade to buff level 200. Loyalty: 100. Ok

 

Warriors Elixir. Loyalty: 500 Whom is this aimed at, seem pricey?

Fury Level : 200 Duration : 120m

Berserk Level : 200 Duration : 120m

Dark Curse Level : 200 Duration : 120m

Enchanted Weapon Level : 200 Duration : 120m

Wither Level : 200 Duration : 120m

Shatter Armor Level : 200 Duration : 120m

 

Potion of the Quester. Loyalty:  500 too expensive, and what quests need this?? Surely if you’re wishing to finish a quest mid hunt, then you may have to sacrifice potential xp if you chose to use a big doubler

Find Item Level : 1000 Duration : 120m

Quest Finder Level : 250 Duration : 120m

Quest Hunter Level : 250 Duration : 120m

 

Potion of Precision Strike. Loyalty:  500 run with it, but will only aid hitting elites for 5 levels with huge doubler

Arterial Strike Level :  1000 Duration : 120m

 

Forgemaster Draft. Loyalty:  500 too much, can buff higher

Epic Forge Level :  200 Duration : 120m

Epic Craft Level : 200 Duration :120m

 

Magical Carapace. Loyalty:  500 Ok but alternatives

Defensive Aura Level : 250 Duration : 120m

Shield Wall Level : 250 Duration : 120m

 

Sorcerous Scales. Loyalty:  500 Ok but alternatives

Layered Armor Level : 250 Duration : 120m

Armor Boost Level : 250 Duration : 120m

 

Hunting Lord Potion. Loyalty:  1000 Not sure who this serves really, those who hunt twice yearly?

Doubler Level : 3000 Duration : 120m

 

Potion of the Divine Hunter. Loyalty:   2000 Not sure who this serves, those who hunt twice yearly?

Doubler Level : 5000 Duration : 120m

 

Potion of Divine Knowledge. Loyalty:  750 Might make other global pots redundant

Adept Learner Level : 600 Duration : 120m

Librarian Level : 600 Duration : 120m

 

Rampage Potion. Loyalty:  1000 Might make other global pots redundant

Animal Magnetism Level : 450 Duration : 120m

Conserve Level : 550 Duration : 120m

 

 

Alchemist Prized Potion. Loyalty:  500 Just No

Distil removed.

Brewing Master Level :  500 Duration : 120m 

 

Potion of Supreme Global Acceleration. Loyalty 750 OK

Global Booster 1000

 

Potion of Devilish Global Acceleration. Loyalty 2000.  OK but is this only aimed at those with huge stam banks?

Global Booster 2000

 

Potion of Godly Global Acceleration. Loyalty 3000.  OK but is this only aimed at those with huge stam banks?

Global Booster 3000

 

 

 

I know I joked a bit on this thread, but I think the whole FS community should have two lists made clear to them.

 

List 1

What is the current top 50 players volume of tokens presently  (i.e. if it is 100's of thousands or even millions then surely those players are not going to increase their donations/support in order to top on tokens!)   It will also put a huge perspective on the cost of those potions that are keenly sought by that very same band, no?

 

List 2

If (when) these proposed changes go through, will you post a news flash each month to show exactly which ones are being purchased  :-)

Edited by Bujon, 14 September 2021 - 18:38.

[EpicPiety]

 

Potion of Precision Strike. Loyalty:  500 run with it, but will only aid hitting elites for 5 levels with huge doubler

Arterial Strike Level :  1000 Duration : 120m

Hunting elites is not viable they don't respawn with AM. Could take forever to get enough kills on them to level up.

How about loyalty token flash sales where some pots go on sale for limited period of time, for limited quantity per player

Edited by EpicPiety, 14 September 2021 - 19:02.

[Emperor Sidd]

Thanks for the update BG and the team.

 

To keep it short and sweet, from the updated list, I would only spend my tokens on the BM500 potion. Doubler is ok but I hunt twice a year.

 

P.S. BM 500 will degrade the Fallensword experience for people involved in PvP, Bounty Hunting, GvG and Relic Combats. Increasing duration of potions and more specifically crystal or epic potions contributes to defender advantage. Someone who needs to defend their ladder rating or defend for GvG conflict can come online use BM 575 and remain buffed for 20 hrs with composing. There is already a degree of waiting out the buffs but now you may as well logout for the day.

[shindrak]

Thanks for the update BG and the team.

 

To keep it short and sweet, from the updated list, I would only spend my tokens on the BM500 potion. Doubler is ok but I hunt twice a year.

 

P.S. BM 500 will degrade the Fallensword experience for people involved in PvP, Bounty Hunting, GvG and Relic Combats. Increasing duration of potions and more specifically crystal or epic potions contributes to defender advantage. Someone who needs to defend their ladder rating or defend for GvG conflict can come online use BM 575 and remain buffed for 20 hrs with composing. There is already a degree of waiting out the buffs but now you may as well logout for the day.

This is what i'm talking about its not only downside for Arena shop also for the whole game  ,

BM500 is not good for long term 

If this introduced we might see less online players ...

 

We have BM200 from egg it is cheap affordable  by players who cant buy BM300 for 5-7 fsps

 

not to mention Pride 200 pot from composing that increase pots duration ... i don't think game needs more pots duration .

Edited by shindrak, 14 September 2021 - 20:54.

[insaner6]

Mostly good changes except for the removal of the big AL, Lib, Cons, Distil.

Very sad that the vocal minority have got their way again.

we came, we saw the proposed changes, we liked them,

and then we find out that they are overuled by the same ppl that dont want changes or want to loose their "earnings" from other aspects of the game go away and who keep naging for pages and pages in the forum till they get their way..

i hope cows listen to their original ideas and change it back to what they first proposed.


if they want to make the ppl who complaint happy, make the proposed "awful" pots way more loyalty expensive..

and at some point, it would make sence to also listen to ppl who really donate and not just the ppl who complaint..







 

[Bujon]

Why not a simple list of Pros and Cons to Brew Master 500?

[Ouiounon]

 

So, Player A, who doesn't play arena, and also has very few FSP cuz they can't/don't donate, must do without because another option cuts into the Arena hero's profits?  Why shouldn't there be other options for high level potions other than buying them from somebody else?  
 

 

 

Lol.

 

Yes exactly that! It's literally a market/trading based game. If you are unwilling to try earn your own stuff then you will buy from someone else who has put in the time and effort to do it.

 

It would be different if BM300 pots were selling for 50 fsp each. They are 6-7 fsp on a good day. That is not expensive and you're deluded if you think otherwise. A BM500 option for 500 tokens would not only be game breaking, but 500 tokens isn't even that much. A few daily quests and you would have more than enough.

 

Please stop with the 'everyone should have everything'. It's a game, you need to play it to get what you want.

Edited by BigGrim, 15 September 2021 - 10:23.
Keep personal attacks off the thread.

[Ouiounon]

 

Mostly good changes except for the removal of the big AL, Lib, Cons, Distil.

Very sad that the vocal minority have got their way again.

we came, we saw the proposed changes, we liked them,

and then we find out that they are overuled by the same ppl that dont want changes or want to loose their "earnings" from other aspects of the game go away and who keep naging for pages and pages in the forum till they get their way..

i hope cows listen to their original ideas and change it back to what they first proposed.


if they want to make the ppl who complaint happy, make the proposed "awful" pots way more loyalty expensive..

and at some point, it would make sence to also listen to ppl who really donate and not just the ppl who complaint..

 

 

 

 

But like, come on!

 

There are very few aspects of the game where you can generate even a small bit of profit. Arena being one of them. Why is it a bad thing to want some of the arena rewards to be AT LEAST a small bit valuable? Why do you want to dilute the game with even more powerful pots so that ANOTHER aspect of the game has become undesirable enough that no one wants to join in because it's just a waste of gold?

 

Hey why don't we add titan epics purchasable with loyalty tokens too? Oh and guild RP items too!

[Bujon]

I think the loyalty tokens needs a shake up and sure add some 'new' pots (not just bigger/longer versions of what we already have available) but being able to use them in other ways would make more sense. Maybe use as an alternate currency for flash sales? Or be able to purchase gold, fsp or pvp protection.

Edited by Bujon, 14 September 2021 - 20:27.

[Bujon]

Could we have a delevelling doubler lvl 5000 please :-)

[necropen]

Has anyone considered a higher level PVP pot such as longer duration and level for a lot more cost in addition to the Warriors at 500? Without Enchant Weapon though since for players it gets used at 1000 and 1500 instead. 

[Pardoux]

Still think this would be a perfect opportunity to introduce new skills into the game - skills that are already mentioned on the skills list, but don't currently exist.

Skills such as :-

 

Allied Frenzy, Block, Critical Strike, Gambler, Guild Berserker,  Immobilise Titan, Mastersmith, Perfection, Trendy and Warcry


Now, some of those may already exist, but not all do - I just quickly scanned thru the skills list for those that didnt look familiar to me as already existing.
 

[Prop]

Allied Frenzy, Block, Gambler and Warcry are in two of the pots from the 2020 Christmas chest.

 

Critical strike is a 3000 buff on the skill tree. Perfection is a ladder pot and in a donation chest.

 

Guild Berserker is in the later levels of composing.

 

Immobilise Titan making an appearance would be nice though,

[Pardoux]

Allied Frenzy, Block, Gambler and Warcry are in two of the pots from the 2020 Christmas chest.

 

Critical strike is a 3000 buff on the skill tree. Perfection is a ladder pot and in a donation chest.

 

Guild Berserker is in the later levels of composing.

 

Immobilise Titan making an appearance would be nice though,

 

Oops, well, in my defence, I did say it was a quick scan thru LOL....

[iceman66]

 

Hi there everyone.

 

Got through the thread today and here are the changes I've made. Changes are in bold.

 

The suggestions I have are as follows and will be in RED TEXT

 

Change Potion of Intensity to:

Doubler 1500 Loyalty 200

Yes

 

 

Change Auspice of Ancients to:

Conserve 400 Loyalty 200

Yes

 

Change Scholars Draft to:

Adept Learner 400 Loyalty 250

Librarian 400

Yes

 

Potion of Ultimate Global Acceleration Cost reduced to 1000.

Yes

 

Move Fast Track Draft from Caves and upgrade to buff level 200. Loyalty: 100.

Yes

 

New: 

 

Here are 13 new proposed potions and their loyalty costs.

 

Warriors Elixir. Loyalty: 500

Fury Level : 200 Duration : 120m

Berserk Level : 200 Duration : 120m

Dark Curse Level : 200 Duration : 120m

Enchanted Weapon Level : 200 Duration : 120m

Wither Level : 200 Duration : 120m

Shatter Armor Level : 200 Duration : 120m

Seems fine

 

 

Potion of the Quester. Loyalty:  500

Find Item Level : 1000 Duration : 120m

Quest Finder Level : 250 Duration : 120m

Quest Hunter Level : 250 Duration : 120m

I like it

 

 

Potion of Precision Strike. Loyalty:  500

Arterial Strike Level :  1000 Duration : 120m

Sure

 

Forgemaster Draft. Loyalty:  500

Epic Forge Level :  200 Duration : 120m

Epic Craft Level : 200 Duration :120m

Sure

  

 

Magical Carapace. Loyalty:  500

Defensive Aura Level : 250 Duration : 120m

Shield Wall Level : 250 Duration : 120m

Sure

 

 

Sorcerous Scales. Loyalty:  500

Layered Armor Level : 250 Duration : 120m

Armor Boost Level : 250 Duration : 120m

Yes

 

 

Hunting Lord Potion. Loyalty:  1000

Doubler Level : 3000 Duration : 120m

Thank you lord

 

 

Potion of the Divine Hunter. Loyalty:   2000

Doubler Level : 5000 Duration : 120m

Yes please, and thank you

 

 

Potion of Divine Knowledge. Loyalty:  750

Adept Learner Level : 600 Duration : 120m

Librarian Level : 600 Duration : 120m

I think Adept Learner for this potion should be increased to 800 (which is a compromise from the original) and I think Librarian should be 800 as well, which is another compromise.

 

 

Rampage Potion. Loyalty:  1000

Animal Magnetism Level : 450 Duration : 120m

Conserve Level : 550 Duration : 120m

I still think this should be Animal Magnetism 500, but 450 is okay.  Conserve should be 850 which is right in the middle of the original proposal and I think is a fair trade off.

 

 

Alchemist Prized Potion. Loyalty:  500

Distil removed.

Brewing Master Level :  500 Duration : 120m

It's not surprising that Distil 250 was removed with all the vocal people, but I can understand.

 

 

Potion of Supreme Global Acceleration. Loyalty 750

Global Booster 1000

Yes

 

Potion of Devilish Global Acceleration. Loyalty 2000.

Global Booster 2000

Yes

 

Potion of Godly Global Acceleration. Loyalty 3000.

Global Booster 3000

Yes

 

 

Again, feedback on these new changes are welcome.

 

~ Grim

 

 

I feel that we are getting to a good place and compromising with the loyalty potion propositions.  I do appreciate all the feedback, and all I ask is that other players read this and try to compromise as well.  I think we can get to a solid place that will benefit the game as a whole.

Edited by iceman66, 15 September 2021 - 02:50.

[EpicPiety]

 

Mostly good changes except for the removal of the big AL, Lib, Cons, Distil.

Very sad that the vocal minority have got their way again.

we came, we saw the proposed changes, we liked them,

and then we find out that they are overuled by the same ppl that dont want changes or want to loose their "earnings" from other aspects of the game go away and who keep naging for pages and pages in the forum till they get their way..

i hope cows listen to their original ideas and change it back to what they first proposed.


if they want to make the ppl who complaint happy, make the proposed "awful" pots way more loyalty expensive..

and at some point, it would make sence to also listen to ppl who really donate and not just the ppl who complaint..







 

 

I'm not trying to call anyone out in specific but I keep hearing vocal minority. Who have you exactly talked to about this outside of your enclosed and bias circle on this matter? A large amount of people don't want to see this come to fruition who are unique and independent on various levels of the game.

 

I can definitely see where you are coming from with your specific goals in mind uniquely and as a guild, however big picture no.