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#181 WandKing

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Posted 15 September 2021 - 03:26

I represent the vocal minority (chat no one hears publicly). We, (me and the voices no one else hears but me) love these additions HCS :D AWESOME!!! 



#182 bloody18

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Posted 15 September 2021 - 03:35

add some of these sweet  doubler 3000 and 5000 pots ..or maybe a high level Librarian or Adept learner to the TREASURE  chests PLEASE!



#183 insaner6

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Posted 15 September 2021 - 03:51

you gain the the best AL and LIB pots from the chests when you are donating, and those are tradeable, so anyone can have them, even if they dont donate to the game but they can find FSP and buy them from other aspects of the game.

bounded chest with higher AL and LIB and Cons and Distil pots than those chests, that are really bound and non tradeable, should be a nice and motivational way of making ppl really donate and use those pots.

the ppl who i am talking to and agree with this, are ppl in my level and with my 13 year experience on the game and how it works.


Game will fade away without really donors, so get a reality check and see the bigger picture as well.
unless u dont really mind the future of the game and its viability.


and at some point start hearing ppl that are contributing to the game since the start..



 



#184 insaner6

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Posted 15 September 2021 - 03:55

 

Hi there everyone.
 
Got through the thread today and here are the changes I've made. Changes are in bold.
 
 
Change Potion of Intensity to:
Doubler 1500 Loyalty 200
 
 
Change Auspice of Ancients to:
Conserve 400 Loyalty 200
 
 
Change Scholars Draft to:
Adept Learner 400 Loyalty 250
Librarian 400
 
Potion of Ultimate Global Acceleration Cost reduced to 1000.
 
 
Move Fast Track Draft from Caves and upgrade to buff level 200. Loyalty: 100.
 
 
New: 
 
Here are 13 new proposed potions and their loyalty costs.
 
Warriors Elixir. Loyalty: 500
 
Fury Level : 200 Duration : 120m
Berserk Level : 200 Duration : 120m
Dark Curse Level : 200 Duration : 120m
Enchanted Weapon Level : 200 Duration : 120m
Wither Level : 200 Duration : 120m
Shatter Armor Level : 200 Duration : 120m
 
 
Potion of the Quester. Loyalty:  500
 
Find Item Level : 1000 Duration : 120m
Quest Finder Level : 250 Duration : 120m
Quest Hunter Level : 250 Duration : 120m
 
 
Potion of Precision Strike. Loyalty:  500
 
Arterial Strike Level :  1000 Duration : 120m
 
 
Forgemaster Draft. Loyalty:  500
 
Epic Forge Level :  200 Duration : 120m
Epic Craft Level : 200 Duration :120m
  
 
 
Magical Carapace. Loyalty:  500
 
Defensive Aura Level : 250 Duration : 120m
Shield Wall Level : 250 Duration : 120m
 
 
Sorcerous Scales. Loyalty:  500
 
Layered Armor Level : 250 Duration : 120m
Armor Boost Level : 250 Duration : 120m
 
 
Hunting Lord Potion. Loyalty:  1000
 
Doubler Level : 3000 Duration : 120m
 
 
Potion of the Divine Hunter. Loyalty:   2000
 
Doubler Level : 5000 Duration : 120m
 
 
Potion of Divine Knowledge. Loyalty:  750
 
Adept Learner Level : 600 Duration : 120m
Librarian Level : 600 Duration : 120m
 
 
Rampage Potion. Loyalty:  1000
 
Animal Magnetism Level : 450 Duration : 120m
Conserve Level : 550 Duration : 120m
 
 
Alchemist Prized Potion. Loyalty:  500
 
Distil removed.
Brewing Master Level :  500 Duration : 120m
 
 
Potion of Supreme Global Acceleration. Loyalty 750
Global Booster 1000
 
Potion of Devilish Global Acceleration. Loyalty 2000.
Global Booster 2000
 
Potion of Godly Global Acceleration. Loyalty 3000.
Global Booster 3000
 
 
Again, feedback on these new changes are welcome.
 
~ Grim

 


 

Potion of Divine Knowledge. Loyalty:  750
 
Adept Learner Level : 600 Duration : 120m
Librarian Level : 600 Duration : 120m


so now basically this is useless as when u are donating u can get chest that have higher buffs it in..


this is to the wrong direction..


#185 EpicPiety

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Posted 15 September 2021 - 03:57

 

 

Potion of Divine Knowledge. Loyalty:  750
 
Adept Learner Level : 600 Duration : 120m
Librarian Level : 600 Duration : 120m


so now basically this is useless as when u are donating u can get chest that have higher buffs it in..


this is to the wrong direction..

 

Useless to you does not mean useless to others. 

 

Loyalty is candy on top, it's not the crème of the crop. Then i can ask the same question why donate for the donation chests if loyalty trumps them?

Viability of the game with just continually increasing the skills will eventually be 0%.


Edited by EpicPiety, 15 September 2021 - 03:58.


#186 insaner6

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Posted 15 September 2021 - 04:05

Useless to you does not mean useless to others. 

 

Loyalty is candy on top, it's not the crème of the crop. Then i can ask the same question why donate for the donation chests if loyalty trumps them?

Viability of the game with just continually increasing the skills will eventually be 0%.


if a single pot is  for example 3000 loyalty points, how do u think ppl will have access to that?
your point doesnt make sense.


 



#187 EpicPiety

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Posted 15 September 2021 - 04:07

if a single pot is  for example 3000 loyalty points, how do u think ppl will have access to that?
your point doesnt make sense.


 

Continues to make sense even with that argument. Especially considering lots of people hunt under 6-12 times a year that would benefit from utilizing that potion with that barrier to entry. 


Edited by EpicPiety, 15 September 2021 - 04:07.


#188 insaner6

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Posted 15 September 2021 - 04:21

Continues to make sense even with that argument. Especially considering lots of people hunt under 6-12 times a year that would benefit from utilizing that potion with that barrier to entry. 


even if a player, logs in dayly,   and get 5 loylaty points, u'll need to join 1,5 year daily to gather 3000 points..


if that's your problem and want ppl to really donate to have access to those pots, then yeah, make them even more pricey
4000.



and i dont undestand your point about playres hunting less than 6 times per year or more,  each player decides how to play the game on his-her way, who are u to show them on how to hunt?

please stick just to the conversation about the pots.



and the cows, if till this far they were hearing from "arena experts" about the changes in the arena, or the "pvp experts" about changes in the pvp,   or the "leveling experts" about stuff about leveling or whatever,
perhaps they should also do the same on this aspect as well.



you get the higher chests by donating to the game , and by making a fortune u may sell them in them in the AH,

having untratable chests, will drive ppl to either being daily joiners to gather loyalty points (more activity)
or completing more daily rewards (so more daily activity)
or donate more which, really, is good for the game.  it saddens me that u cant see that, cause it really is what keeps the game running and covering the costs of the game..



 



#189 shindrak

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Posted 15 September 2021 - 05:50

Just for those who keep say HCs listen for  vocal minority  ... sometimes HCs listen for 1 player because they give detailed opinions and makes sense for HCs and i respect HCs for considering logical opinions over major opinions.



#190 insaner6

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Posted 15 September 2021 - 05:59

a good idea would be to be able to infuse 
any excisting potion with 1000-2000 loalty points

and boost the potion-chest it for 20%-30% more..

the duration of the potion would be larger by 20% of the excisting pot..

something like forging a pot, not with FSP but with loyalty points.
 



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Posted 15 September 2021 - 06:27

I have been way past EOC twice now and delevelled. I 'only' have 100k stam, but with these proposed changes I wouldn't even need to bother with anything as high as a Christmas box for levelling. 600+ AL LIB Cons more than enough to reach EOC during dxp. I would use doubler 5000 so I can get to EOC again before my breakfast goes cold, but I am arguing against it, because either you like hunting or you don't, why stop there, why not a one hit pot, doubler 100,000?
Again I will buy BM500 but am arguing against it because it ruins PvP GvG BB in favour of defending. If you like PvP GvG or Bounty then play it. Again why not a BM10,000 so I can set myself up and log back in 30 days time.


Can we please have the reasons why players want massive BM and massive Doublers, a reason, not just a yes.

#192 Windbattle

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Posted 15 September 2021 - 06:34

To everyone saying that the loyalty potions can't be as good as composed pots / global chests, are you serious? If it wasn't for those people who donated to the game previously, we might not even have a game to be arguing over. Think about that. I also didn't see a lot of people saying lets hold back on composed potions being so strong. Yes it takes a lot of time and gold to reach a high composing level, but it established a precedent for higher level buffs in the game.

 

If the potions are not competitive enough, then people aren't going to spend the tokens on them. Then what was the point of this update? Worse, it won't entice anyone to donate more to the game which is obviously a side goal for HCS, in addition to adding new features to the game.

 

I don't see how a massive doubler hurts the game. If someone with 100,000 or way more stamina wants to use their stamina to power level up, so be it. The days of a new guild surging up the ranks to over take top guilds in terms of rank has come and gone. Similar argument can be made about top player medal with it being locked up by a few people indefinitely regardless if a higher doubler potion comes around or not. 

 

Anyone who has big stamina who wants to level up wants the higher doubler and HCS is considering adding it. Simple as that and I don't see how it hurts the game at all. It might actually raise the prices in the buff market (less overflow stam dump in buff market), which could help with in-game commerce a bit. I think the vast majority of players are for higher doubler pots. 

 

In regards to Brew Master that is a very very strong buff which allows all other potions to have extremely long duration (especially when you factor in how Pride buff stacks with it). I say you add BM 500, however BM 500 can't be used to extend loyalty potions, global event potions, FSP box potions, or composed potions (so basically only inventable or quest potions). Otherwise probably lower BM potion to level 250 or 300. This is definitely a tricky one cause you really need to think big picture on how this will impact many areas of the game. 

 

I don't think the loyalty potions should be tradable as well. That would be a mistake. However, I don't think the cows were planning on tradable anyways. 

 

I liked Pardoux's suggestion of adding new buffs that haven't been added to the game yet as a loyalty potion option. 


Edited by Windbattle, 15 September 2021 - 07:44.


#193 Bujon

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Posted 15 September 2021 - 06:37

To everyone saying that the loyalty potions can't be as good as composed pots / global chests, are you serious? If it wasn't for those people who donated to the game previously, we might not even have a game to be arguing over. Think about that.

And what kind of game do we have?
That's not me having a go, it is a genuine Question. If EOC is a bottleneck, due to content, then anything making leveling easier should be reduced. If PvP GvG and BB favour defending, then anything helping defending should be reduced. I don't really have a direction personally, so am looking at this in the round.

Edited by Bujon, 15 September 2021 - 06:42.


#194 Windbattle

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Posted 15 September 2021 - 07:09

Honestly what harm is there in more people reaching EOC? Isn't there already like 300-500 people sitting at EOC and have plenty of stamina to go to EOC again with new content? Plus, its every player's choice if they want to power level up like that to begin with. 

 

PvP, GvG, and BB are all equally messed up in their own ways. I don't think a few loyalty pots are going to make that drastically worse since its already pretty bad.

 

Long story short, the cows sided with levelers a long time ago (from my perspective) with the advent of PvP Protection (shouldn't there be risk to the game?). I do think the increased pvp range that was added recently will make it easier to farm pvp prestige and complete pvp dailies though. I guess that is some pvp activity.

 

As for gvg, they needed to make it a minimum 15 or 20 active players in order to initiate or receive a gvg conflict. Not to mention, there were several dishonest people making multi accounts / guilds to farm RP for profit. Not sure if that is still going on or not to be honest. 

 

As for BB, with players earning levels so easily, a 5 level drop is nothing and actually is probably welcomed at EOC since they can regain the levels easily and get lots of gold / guild xp. The best time for BB was when they changed the BB to post bounties based on gold stolen by the game and allowed players to put extra gold on players heads. I recall multiple pages of bounties at the time and players could make descent gold doing 100 stam hits on bounties and earn ticks towards their bounty medal. If they tweaked that system versus scraping it, the BB wouldn't be dead as it is today.

 

Sorry BG sometimes the truth just needs to be said. Although I'll refrain from derailing the thread further. 


Edited by Windbattle, 15 September 2021 - 07:18.


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Posted 15 September 2021 - 07:24

I would argue that anyone who bought that much stam did so knowing burning it would take forever. Bed made (me included, although stopped deliberately at 100k). So that is my argument against the doubler. The brew master just affects way too many things for it to be viable. With the modest tokens I have I will only be buying BM and Doubler, and I am arguing against them.

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Posted 15 September 2021 - 07:24

Honestly what harm is there in more people reaching EOC? Isn't there already like 300-500 people sitting at EOC and have plenty of stamina to go to EOC again with new content? Plus, its every player's choice if they want to power level up like that to begin with. 

 

PvP, GvG, and BB are all equally messed up in their own ways. I don't think a few loyalty pots are going to make that drastically worse since its already pretty bad. 

It's not that power leveling is bad, or that this or that OP potion will mess up PvP or GvG or the BB, it's that everybody feels their niche is threatened, especially when it comes to profit... the same arguments come up with every single update... Either it's gonna kill the Arena token market or the Ladder token market or sales of Legendary and Epic equipment...

I still don't see why it's so bad that a few select potions at a certain level can be made available to a wider slice of the community... but after being told off for stating my opinion about that, I've decided to give up...  If we get some nice new things, I'm all for it... if we don't, well, I'll keep on plodding along at my own pace...

Hopefully Hoof and his crew can see through all the posturing and the rhetoric and make a sound decision about what is best for the game as a whole, regardless of whether or not some niche players will have to make concessions or sacrifices for the betterment of the game. 

 

IMHO, catering to the few that care only for their own interests at the cost of everybody else's will kill the game faster than the declining player base.....

Just my 2 pennies

 


Edited by BadPenny, 15 September 2021 - 07:35.

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#197 Morgwyn

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Posted 15 September 2021 - 07:44

Since it is already fairly easy to fing quest items, or complete killing tasks with the current standard buffs, I really see no use for:

Quest Finder Level : 250 Duration : 120m
Quest Hunter Level : 250 Duration : 120m


These kind of buffs should remain in Global Event chests, so those remain interesting to all:

Adept Learner Level : 600 Duration : 120m
Librarian Level : 600 Duration : 120m

 

 

BM 500 is a bad idea. Ladder/relics/pvp only gets more interesting when you are NOT able to be buffed up to the max 24/7.

 

Same for Distil, Zombie Brew should be the max, unless you tweak it so Distil won't work on composed pots, you keep the Global Event also more relevant this way.


Edited by Morgwyn, 15 September 2021 - 07:46.


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Posted 15 September 2021 - 08:25

 

Potion of Divine Knowledge. Loyalty:  750
 
Adept Learner Level : 1000 Duration : 120m
Librarian Level : 900 Duration : 120m
 
 
Rampage Potion. Loyalty:  750
 
Animal Magnetism Level : 500 Duration : 120m
Conserve Level : 1000 Duration : 120m
 
 
Alchemist Prized Potion. Loyalty:  750
 
Distil Level : 250 Duration : 120m
Brewing Master Level :  500 Duration : 120m

 

I was happy when I saw token rewards to finally use my tokens but these potions are bad.

 

al, am, lib and conserve are too high, need to be lower a lot.

 

how can you make token potions higher level than fsp offers that give epic chests (need real money to donate)?

with these high token skill levels you are destroying values of donation chests.

 

 

distil 250 and brewing master 500 will make the game worse, this is obvious and worst of all is bm 500.

remove both from loyalty reward, distil 150 is max from zombie brew and brewing master 300 is max from arena shop.

if you were reading forum for problems or know how high distil and high bm effect the game (pvp, gvg and the rest) badly then you would never have added them, remove those mistakes.

 

please try adding skills that do not break the game more than it already has.



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Posted 15 September 2021 - 08:40

I was happy when I saw token rewards to finally use my tokens but these potions are bad.

 

al, am, lib and conserve are too high, need to be lower a lot.

 

how can you make token potions higher level than fsp offers that give epic chests (need real money to donate)?

with these high token skill levels you are destroying values of donation chests.

 

 

distil 250 and brewing master 500 will make the game worse, this is obvious and worst of all is bm 500.

remove both from loyalty reward, distil 150 is max from zombie brew and brewing master 300 is max from arena shop.

if you were reading forum for problems or know how high distil and high bm effect the game (pvp, gvg and the rest) badly then you would never have added them, remove those mistakes.

 

please try adding skills that do not break the game more than it already has.

you gain tokens by donating real money and mainly by being loyal player.  
and moreover they are bound.
they should be a bit more than chests that are gained by simple donations..
u have to donate AND be loyal to have access to something more.
 



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Posted 15 September 2021 - 08:44

After you revamp the loyalty store. Update the arena token store. To have an even more reason to Join The ARENA

Edited by Helo, 15 September 2021 - 08:47.



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