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#121 Brenzlo Xate

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Posted 08 July 2016 - 10:11

Greetings friends!!!

 

I just wanna point out some key facts in this latest announcement, and try to give an opinion as best as I could coming from a neutral perspective. biggrin.png

 

Hey folks,

 

Sorry for the lack of updates as of late, unfortunately Eldevin never quite gained the following it required for us to justify allocating our full development team to it. As such we've had to scale down development time. However we intend to continue to fully support the game and still plan to release future updates, but currently we have no time-scale for these as of yet.

 

~The Eldevin Team

 

I've been checking the forums and been seeing the responses. Of course it's completely understandable why people would be disappointed. I for one though don't feel disappointed but rather sad for how the game has become. 

HCS did a great job in making this announcement as straight-forward as possible so as to avoid any misunderstanding and yet it seems people are coming to conclusions way too fast which causes misunderstandings anyway. 

So here is what I understand from this post.

 

1. Eldevin is currently struggling in terms of player base.

 

This is the truth, the REALITY of it. For me the struggle started mildly sometime in the late September of 2015 (Maybe it's even earlier for some.) may it be due to players taking a break or quitting entirely for reaching end game and having no progression whatsoever. Though the Halloween and Christmas events did seem to bring back old players. Also the EP trade in those times especially in the Halloween event really flourished again it was only temporary thus the game is at its current state which is even worse.

 

2. Game content updates will be coming in slower than we're even used to. <--- Let me just point out that they NEVER said that they're STOPPING or HALTING or CANCELLING the updates. This is very clear.

 

Most if not all the earlier Eldevin players including myself are quite used to the pace of updates coming from HCS. There are people who've been complaining about how slow updates were (and that is very understandable) and there are people including myself who are okay with it. I for one have always been aware that HCS isn't that big of a company just yet that I don't expect them to be doing magic. 

 

People would go as far as to say that HCS was being lazy, and again I don't blame them for feeling that way. I personally never saw it that way, not cuz I have a huge patience (Mind you, I do feel frustrated and sad about the game.) but because I'm also aware that behind all of the coding and programming and all the other fancy tech stuff... All this goes down to being a business. They have to make decisions that would be the least damaging. It's like choosing the lesser of two evils I suppose LOL.

Let's say.. for example, they push for the updates which will cost HCS... They'll most likely be taking the amount of money that it would cost to do that from the funds allocated for Eldevin which is most likely currently being focused on keeping the servers running. Meaning, there is a downside in that they could end up decreasing the life of the game when they could lengthen it prolonging the window to figure things out.

 

Imagine if they push the level 50 content, OFC!! Everybody happy! Yippeeee!! Yahooooo!!! Kapow!! Boom boom!!! ....... 

 

Then not even a week after release we get an announcement that the game is closing LOL. (And please before anyone reacts to this, it's just an exaggeration OFC.)

 

Now some might argue "Hey why not use the money you get from your other games!?!?!?!" perhaps maybe they have already done it before, and if they haven't done that yet IMO it would be completely logical. As I've mentioned above it is still business, before one decides to put money on something you have to see at least a bit of positive return.

(If you're selling cows and horses and it's the horses that are actually selling and the cows aren't selling as much... You don't buy more cows, YOU BUY MORE HORSES!!! vice versa biggrin.png). 

 

Side Note:

 

Just in case people get the impression that I'm siding with HCS on this one... Nope, hell nope. This is how I see it from a neutral standpoint. Again I repeat that I can understand why people are getting mad, angry, raging or however one wants to put it and they have reasons to do so. 

 

1.The updates were already quite slow even before you actually posted the announcement which even gives us the idea that the updates are going to get even SLOWER... 

 

2. There are also those who would argue INCLUDING MYSELF that the time, money and effort to make the guild update which in my opinion is completely useless to the game at this time should've gone to the level 50 content update instead. 

 

(TBH I have no idea how there were players in the game who even thought that the guild update would help the game LOL. It's probably cuz I'm stupid so yeah.)

 

3. Not to mention, there seems to be an issue with the response time on tickets as well. True or not I wouldn't know, but I've been seeing people say it in the game.

Boo ya! I hope I neutral'ed the hell out of this reply enough LOL. 

​PS:

 

I have a lot of broken trust and disliking towards HCS because of Eldevin. Whatever their new game is, its most likely a replacement for Eldevin. HCS knows Eldevin is dead and only their loyal fans will continue to play it. There's no saving it now since the steam launch was wasted on a half finished game and they wont waste resources to advertise it.

 

I wasted time and money on the game, I gave it all to an inexperienced developer and feel worst for all the people that bought the founders pack (especially the dumb high priced ones, HCS acting like this was some sort of triple-A MMO title) even though there's free (or maybe even stolen) resources and assets (sounds/music is all that I have found) in the game.

 

Hey maybe this is good however for newcomers. At least those people in the future that play HCS's games wont be so open with their wallets, time, trust and love (unless of course HCS hides the truth from them, but I don't think that they are that low).

 

I don't care if this gets deleted or disliked by the white knights or people that have issues against me, its the truth.

 

*Cashgrabs

Hey sap bud, c'mon man that was completely uncalled for... LOL. I understand the hate, but at the very least try to be logical about it.

Sure bud you did put money into the game, and that's really cool but you also did have your time in the game did you not? That's not to say that the money you put into the game will be enough to sustain the game for eternity and make it invincible to financial difficulties caused by changing variables wouldn't you agree?

As for the people who purchased the founder's pack, whether they're disappointed or not the fact remains they bought a founder's pack and if the terms of the founder's pack or the conditions in which the pack was bought is the same as the ones in other games wherein a Founder's Pack is offered early in game development and the buyers are made aware that it is still too early in the game to be buying this type of package then it goes without saying that it was a choice they made knowing that things might not go well for the game and they may end up unsatisfied. 

That been said, the founders in the game are one if not maybe even the main reason why the game is up for this long so yeah I really would like to extend my gratitude to them.  :D

Sap bud, we're cool man hope you understand my point of view. Wishing you well bud!


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#122 gogsy

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Posted 08 July 2016 - 11:54

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Posted 09 July 2016 - 07:46

I'm not dissapointed at all with my Founder's purchase. Back then, I saw potentional in this game and I still do. It's unfortunate it has come to this situation but if they can still update Eldevin like they had worked on it for the past 8 years then I will still find time to play. In fact, it was the first time I ever spent money on another MMORG so that says alot.

And I hope I don't miss too much of the summer event :( Will be gone for two weeks in August.

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#124 ernzor

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Posted 09 July 2016 - 21:38

I spent more (time and money) on this game than most, and would gladly continue to do so if there was a chance of it being a viable game in the devs eyes again.

 

I will continue to pop in from time to time, and more so when the lvl50 stuff comes out.


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#125 SacredDivinity

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Posted 10 July 2016 - 07:21

I'm not sure if this sounds stupid but I just started playing this game and I love it more than any game I've ever played. If there isn't enough players to support it would there be any possibility of making some tweaks and releasing it as a single player/LAN co-op with a one time purchase. Call me stupid but I'd pay $60 for this game if I could get the playtime I want out of it.

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Posted 10 July 2016 - 20:16

I spent more (time and money) on this game than most, and would gladly continue to do so if there was a chance of it being a viable game in the devs eyes again.

 

I will continue to pop in from time to time, and more so when the lvl50 stuff comes out.

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#127 gotan

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Posted 11 July 2016 - 03:55

Something I don't understand about all this.... the devs apparently have enough confidence in their creative abilities to embark on a new game....  seems they are willing to take a chance (and it is a bit like winning the lottery) on a new game. Wouldn't it make more sense to try to leverage the sizable investment they have made in Eldevin by applying their creativity to fix Eldevin so that it has broader appeal and better player retention?? 

 

I gotta believe that developing Eldevin has cost them $1 Million  or more.. that's a lot of capital to kick to the curb.  If they think the name Eldevin has been poisoned.. just call it Eldevin II .. lol ... I dunno .. i agree with Ernzor and SirPeter.. i will continue to support the game financially until it totally bores me.



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Posted 11 July 2016 - 10:54

If i was not mistakrn the other game is done together with another company hence why they cant spill any details just yet.

Correct me if i am wrong though but from what ive heard and can recall hcs got hired to help develop another game.

Well just have to wait till end of this year and hope we can beta test the living bleep out of it xd

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#129 Brenzlo Xate

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Posted 11 July 2016 - 23:34

I'm really excited to know more about that game they're working on. I honestly don't know any detail about it, so I have no idea what type of game it would be. I sure am going to be glad to give it a try when it's out if I got the time or if it's a type of game that isn't heavy on a PC and can be played in the office, and even more so if it's accessible in the mobile platform.  :D


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#130 Eliessar

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Posted 12 July 2016 - 06:18

I mean i hope it's not another MMORPG.....I really think a single player game would be best move atm



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Posted 12 July 2016 - 18:10

This game seriously have alot of potential, i remember playing it when it came out - i have around level 15 character. All the game really needs is stable updates.

They could also try contacting youtubers (mmos.com, mmobomb, etc) or even paying some youtuber with high subscriber count some $ to play the game, that will put alot of attention towards the game aswell, but do it after you have done few updates, so new player can accually see you guys put effort in to the game. Current website looks kinda sad as last update is from 2015, if i am not mistaken.

 

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Posted 12 July 2016 - 19:41

I am gonna start by saying I found this game when it was in beta and fell in love with it along with some of its player base it had in beta I played it quite regularly when it went live and delt with the usual b.s. that sometimes happens in games one thing I still can't stand about this game is the where feature why because I feel it gives people the ability to stalk other people and yes that happens in games sometimes and is part of reason for my last break but as I havn't seen anyone who I have an issue with on game since I been popping back in I am more likely to come back to play it more I just wish the where feature would go away so when trying to avoid someone you could I still love this game and as my finances are finally starting to look up i am apt to start my supporter back up as I still love this game I want to finish all my skills at least on oops if not on all my characters which would take me a really long time as I have all slots open and all started but my one named after my beloved dog I have missed all my friends on game hope to catch some of ya when I log in sometime



#133 Osprey

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Posted 13 July 2016 - 16:14

The only reason I knew this game existed was because I went searching for games similar to Runescape, specifically Runescape Classic. Is there a way to increase the advertising?



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Posted 14 July 2016 - 22:33

The only reason I knew this game existed was because I went searching for games similar to Runescape, specifically Runescape Classic. Is there a way to increase the advertising?

That was exactly the same way I found it.

 

I think the lack of advertising is the whole reason why this game hasn't grown in players, nobody knows about it. You'd think with the surge we got when steam joined, HCS might have actually spent some of the money they were receiving from the new supporters to pay for advertising, but no such luck.

 

It's now become a vicious downward spiralling circle.

No advertising > no one knows about the game > no new players > the players leaving outways players joining > income goes down > no money to advertise and round it goes again :(


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#135 Eliessar

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Posted 17 July 2016 - 16:55

That was exactly the same way I found it.

 

I think the lack of advertising is the whole reason why this game hasn't grown in players, nobody knows about it. You'd think with the surge we got when steam joined, HCS might have actually spent some of the money they were receiving from the new supporters to pay for advertising, but no such luck.

 

It's now become a vicious downward spiralling circle.

No advertising > no one knows about the game > no new players > the players leaving outways players joining > income goes down > no money to advertise and round it goes again :(

Well it's over shadowed by other free to play mmorpgs.... You have so many to pick from now..I know graphics are not everything to a game, but it would turn a lot of people away.



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Posted 17 July 2016 - 20:40

i like the graphics.  and most free to play games rely heavily on either massive ads that are annoying, or the payto win model.  the fact that paying here just helps a little as to leveling i like.  you cannot buy extra stats,  you can sometimes buy full equip sets, if you have money nd are lazy, but that is true of any game.  i kind of wish they would have released it as such that it is free to play, until level 29.  you can still play after that, but cannot advance in level.  This may not be a good idea either.  just spitballing.\

 

even though SOMEONE DELETED THE THREAD, remember folks i got this company logo tattooed on me, i have been playing their games for 12+ years, and waited 9 years for eldevin.  business is business, but when you spend 8 years making a game, and then take forever and ever to release content you will drive people away.  and as of right now, being in a guild gives ZERO bonuses.  i would think quests to add features like increased gold/exp/relic/etc gain should be easy since the mechanisms are in place already.  and it was also my understanding, that they took so long with guilds so that the implementatiom would be easier down the road.  (kind of like building a warehouse when you only need a little of the space rioght now)  supporter buff in the corner is permanent.   you could add so much to it.  give players quests to go out and perform...... the cult quests in gothador were awesome, and althought fs i think still got better ones, those were not bad..


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#137 gotan

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Posted 17 July 2016 - 21:27

Well it's over shadowed by other free to play mmorpgs.... You have so many to pick from now..I know graphics are not everything to a game, but it would turn a lot of people away.

 

 

Graphics taste is totally subjective ... if graphics  are so important, why does Runescape have so many players?  For my taste, Eldevin is clearly superior in every way to that one, except perhaps in releasing new content.  And new does not always imply good or better anyway. 

 

Can not debate the fact of so many ftp mmorpg's to choose from. But imo Eldevin is one of the best of kind.  Eldevin has an especially good social aspect imo.  Great community.  Developers could do themselves a favor by being more responsive.



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Posted 18 July 2016 - 05:38

Graphics taste is totally subjective ... if graphics  are so important, why does Runescape have so many players?  For my taste, Eldevin is clearly superior in every way to that one, except perhaps in releasing new content.  And new does not always imply good or better anyway. 

 

Can not debate the fact of so many ftp mmorpg's to choose from. But imo Eldevin is one of the best of kind.  Eldevin has an especially good social aspect imo.  Great community.  Developers could do themselves a favor by being more responsive.

Runescape has players from 2002 when it started i mean i still play it now and then and i played it when it was a 2d/3d... And Runescape at this point is better since they have the constant updates and also have Runescape 3 Old School Runescape annnd Retro Runescape servers, but i do think eldevin could stand strong if they did better with updates and advertising. closest thing you get is this video 



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Posted 18 July 2016 - 07:39

i see msdhoni and mongo in that video in the chat .. lol .. damn this video has to be really old



#140 gogsy

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Posted 20 July 2016 - 22:05

Any update on when Summer event will start? :)


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