102 replies to this topic

[Egami]

Thank you to everybody providing up-to-date info on what can be leeched/broken. Really appreciated. (o0

[RebornJedi]

Because if one type of mega potion IS immune but others aren't, you can bet everyone would start demanding that PvP Ladder, Composing and all Global should be.

Like donation potions/chests? This is on the fine line of pay-2-win.. Pay to keep your epic potions free from break/leech.. How is this fair to those who worked hard and long on composing or pvp tokens.. Why not just protect all? Or none.. Seems the most fair..

[kitobas]

that means global chests, pvp ladder chests, pvp season chests and composing potions are not safe from break/leech?

 

only the Donation Chests are now safe from break/leech?

 

Correct, as they ought to be.


Because if one type of mega potion IS immune but others aren't, you can bet everyone would start demanding that PvP Ladder, Composing and all Global should be.

 

I've made the tweaks already. Hoofmaster and I will discuss whether these should be immune or not tomorrow, but they were never intended to be immune.

Feel free to provide feedback here though.

 

at the moment after the last changes the only chests that are immune are the donation chests and the pvp season chests (info from Grim)

 

global chests, pvp ladder chests and composing potions are not immune

bro, you asking here question and BigGrim answering you only donation pots are immune to everything in game, no skilsl, pot skills or epic skills working against them

 

all other pots like ladder, season, global, composing are not immune, skills, pot skills and epic skills working against them

 

that what I understanding from BigGrim postings, here is posting again from him that logic

 

Because if one type of mega potion IS immune but others aren't, you can bet everyone would start demanding that PvP Ladder, Composing and all Global should be.

 

but I wanting make 100% sure and I asking

BigGrim, it right that only donation chest are immune and not what player altiger saying that season is immune too?

can please answering, thank you

(if one player using season chest then can please posting here, thank you)

[rowbeth]

Have to agree with RJ and Altiger. Protecting only the donation pots smacks of P2W (they are already higher power). Losing those key hunting buffs mid hunt would really suck --- and it would massively increase the damage inflicted by a single PVP hit (with all the ill feeling that is likely to open).

 

And we have had protected globals for several years. Changing them overnight following a stray comment in the forums is going to seem rather arbitrary to much of your customer base, and likely to offend/annoy a significant proportion of them.

 

After so long, and without any discussion (let alone any complaints), I would have hoped you'd stick with the status quo while undertaking a serious consultation --- if you really felt change was necessary.

[Egami]

Well, BG did say to feel free to post some feedback. 

 

I do agree that it's problematic to make "unannounced" changes and could cause some upset when it happens, plus there is the lack of an efficient way (so far) to communicate it. 

 

Solely based on my read of recent posts, perhaps constructive feedback would be to earmark "certain" buffs used ONLY for leveling above a particular level? Thinking 200 and up (maybe even higher) to make buffs with Buff Enhancer still viable for inactivation.

 

Quick thoughtless-thought says: Adept Learner, Librarian, Doubler, Stalker, OK... I definitely could be missing something.

 

It would be important in my mind to make sure that any excluded from the list are not included in the calc that the SL or SB does to decide activation.

Edited by Egami, 15 February 2016 - 22:02.

[kitobas]

I remembering years ago hoofmaster saying that only donation chests immune to everything because they costing real life money from donations and for real life money they are most expensive and needing be powerful more than all other potions

 

I knowing that at beginning global chests was not immune because when my friend hunting he getting to BB and one player activating spell breaker and removing his AM 500, I not knowing when HCS making global chests immune

 

here BigGrim saying about original plan of global chests

 

I've made the tweaks already. Hoofmaster and I will discuss whether these should be immune or not tomorrow, but they were never intended to be immune.

Edited by kitobas, 15 February 2016 - 22:05.

[kitobas]

if honest I having same faith that HCS will making global chests and season chests not immune as they will nerfing composing potions for pvp

tomorrow they will changing back to immune, maybe soon increasing composing and we will getting 1 million damage and attack lol

 

SH 625 and KE 625! Awesome on my road to 1 million damage and attack...

when this time coming then player level 100 with composing will butchering EOC player 3000 levels above him who using buffs level 175 lol

 

with time I losing faith and coming back to playing getting not good

 

what was great game in past is getting shadow, ghost, very sad

 

I really hoping HCS you will soon showing us players development updates on FS, it very long time we seeing hoofmaster, zorg or radneto

 

I missing great game I playing in past, can you please bringing it back, I wanting having fun and challenging again playing

Edited by kitobas, 15 February 2016 - 22:46.

[Gutie]

Tbh, I don't see why event chest potions need to be able to be leeched. They are a finite supply for each player and unable to be ratcheted up in duration like composing ones. If you're using them for PvP, you're going to be blowing them up at a decent clip, and everyone has the chance to get them, unlike Composing being subject to resources to spam level, and people in one's own guild. If anything they level the playing field for those who do not have access to a constant stream of composing potions.

 

Making them able to be leeched instantly gives those with constant access to high/max composing potions a much bigger edge by being able to leech them away, and the one relying on event chests unable to simply crack another potion like someone relying on composing potions can.

 

If we want people to participate in the globals, how does reducing the appeal of getting them to non-levelers help in that?

 

It basically sends a message that people who can afford to donate and buy epic chests as many composing potions as we need like I can, should be given even more of an edge over those who are rewarded for being active and participating in global events, who might not have the same access to do that. Whether intentional or not that's what this change does. 

 

Edit: someone can just slam someone hunting who has AL575 running and nuke that buff on them, that's not only odd, it's obnoxious.

Edited by Gutie, 15 February 2016 - 23:27.

[Windbattle]

I've made the tweaks already. Hoofmaster and I will discuss whether these should be immune or not tomorrow, but they were never intended to be immune.

Feel free to provide feedback here though.

 

Interesting cause they have been immune since the very first global event. I think you should hold an in-game poll and let that determine whether they are immune or not. 

[handitover]

Well  really unfair for composing pots and chest get taken with spell leach and spell breaker. Many work hard to compose pots and do globals .

[EpicPiety]

Pressing a button every hour or so a few couple thousand times over months isn't hard by any means...

Cheers,
EP

[sweetlou]

It's obvious because of where this thread has turned, there needs to be some serious discussion and possibly modifications to the newest potions that have overwhelmed the game! I request Hoof chime in and give the players his respectful and rational ideas about where the game is headed since we haven't had the privilege of his presence these past few months. This game needs the Hoof and we deserve some answers after nearly 10 years playing!

[Altiger]

bro, you asking here question and BigGrim answering you only donation pots are immune to everything in game, no skilsl, pot skills or epic skills working against them

 

all other pots like ladder, season, global, composing are not immune, skills, pot skills and epic skills working against them

 

that what I understanding from BigGrim postings, here is posting again from him that logic

 

 

but I wanting make 100% sure and I asking

BigGrim, it right that only donation chest are immune and not what player altiger saying that season is immune too?

can please answering, thank you

(if one player using season chest then can please posting here, thank you)

I know what he posted in forum but I had a conversation with him and he told me that at the moment only donation chests and season chests are immune
composing, global and ladder are not immune

 

I posted the information I got from him in forum to let the community know what is immune and what not

[hittokiri]

I know what he posted in forum but I had a conversation with him and he told me that at the moment only donation chests and season chests are immune
composing, global and ladder are not immune

 

I posted the information I got from him in forum to let the community know what is immune and what not

if grim said that only the potions from donations are immune and he already made the tweaks then only they are immune

 

if it is like you said that the potions from the season are immune too then the potions from the ladder should be too otherwise it is an insolence to all the ladder joiners but I doubt it and I think you somehow misunderstood grim

[mary4ever]

chests "immunity" after the last changes:

 

made some screen shots & info for the community

 

Season

 

Composing

 

PvP Ladder

 

Global Chest (Emblazoned Royal Chest)

 

Global Chest (Darksun Stash II)

 

seems like Season chests and SOME (NOT all) of the Global Chests are immune !!!

Composing and PvP Ladder Chests are NOT immune !!!

there were NO changes done to the donation chests, they are ALL still immune !!!

 

can HCS please check again which chests are immune (or not)?

Edited by mary4ever, 17 February 2016 - 14:11.

[BigGrim]

Thanks for pointing out the Darksun II. That's sorted now.

The ONLY potions that are designed to be immune are donation and Seasons. Seasons had not been mentioned previously as they cannot be gained any more.

[Maehdros]

I recall when chest potions ( particularly those used for hunting ) were made *unbreakable/ un-leechable) due to complaints.  It made sense IMO as anyone could and still CAN simply use spell-breaker/ leech to rip "said buffs" from players when hitting them ( P\/P or G\/G)  while they hunted,were on the bounty-board,etc. 

 

 

Chests are strong, should it be discussed as to how all-powerful they are? Sure. I'll just say that such powerful rewards, shouldn't be breakable. 

 

What's the difference from obtaining a donation pot with my $$$, compared to using fsp I purchased (non-potion offer) to buy stamina so I could get global Kills for global chest, or buying pots,buffs,stamina to win ladder tokens to make a chest?

[mary4ever]

Thanks for pointing out the Darksun II. That's sorted now.

The ONLY potions that are designed to be immune are donation and Seasons. Seasons had not been mentioned previously as they cannot be gained any more.

IMO ONLY the donation chests should be immune & Season Chests should definitely be NOT immune like the PvP Ladder CHESTS !!!

 

I think it can not "hurt" to make the "leveling skills" (=LF, AM, LIB, conserve, AL, ...) of the GLOBAL CHESTS immune too BUT to leave the "PvP skills" of the GLOBAL CHESTS to be NOT immune !!!

[RebornJedi]

Either block all buffs in potions or none.. Picking and choosing based on what those buffs could be used for is ridiculous.. Most buffs have more uses than only leveling or only pvping..

I don't understand the logic with only protecting 'leveling' buffs either.. How often are players attacked while hunting.. How many chances are those buffs targeted from being broke/leeched..

Hard earned chest buffssare more likely to be broke/leeched while on the Ladder/Bounty Board..

Edited by RebornJedi, 17 February 2016 - 15:37.

[sweetlou]

Seasons had not been mentioned previously as they cannot be gained any more.

Is that the current position HCS is holding onto? I ask because HCS has been know to change their mind. Previously it was stated that Seasons would still be run as a PvP Global event. Are you stating that is no longer going to happen?