53 replies to this topic

[Melons]

I agree with Pardoux.  You should not benefit from Karma, whether it would  be medals, fsp, potions, etc.  Not only because there would be an influx in multis, but it should be more of a symbol to someone to have on their profile. Adding rewards to Karma would defy the whole purpose of it.  Instead some people would only go after it, because of greed not generosity. 

 

 

But back to the topic of adding Karma, I do agree with you about adding it.  Reason why is because, I've seen many players help others in global chat, and those players should be "noticed" for their generosity and kindness. 

[bloody18]

When I help someone I dont want to be recognized. A thank you will suffice.  I dont want to earn points I dont want FSP.. Take my incredible advice and get lost

[wil72]

I always try to help new players to the game, usually on a daily basis... I hang around in global chat and buff them when they come in, answer their many faceted questions, send them helpful links that I've accumulated through the years, and offer my friendship and guidance for the future... In the past 7years, I have made many many friends in this way, and for me, that is all the reward that I require... IDK about you others...

 

~ Just my 2 Pennys

 

The above pretty much says it all for me. Karma, don't need it, don't want it. Only reward necessary is a wee " thank you " for help given. Also on the mentoring, how does that actually work, is the list not really a place where players go for buffs and that's about it? What do those that are mentors actually do? Going by the numbers that indicate they are mentors no new player should want for help and advice when they enter the game. Yet so many do. And while we're at it a 3 year playing requirement is suggested before one can be a mentor with regard to "this" Karma idea. Whaaat? This kinda statement really gets on my wick. So many in the game have done nothing, absolutely nothing, other than stick around. What makes time served so special/important/golden/heroic/super?

 

Cheers.

 

wil72

Edited by wil72, 19 August 2014 - 19:03.

[Jose]

Why must there be always a reward involved? Cant you just help for a good cause ehh greedy people. For me, as a karma reward its more than enough to having points with no effect. Just collection random points which you can exchange for random items to wear, like costumes. If i had a Moovember mask i would use it always lol i dont care the stats but it gives you a pretty nice moustache lol

[BadPenny]

I don't think we should get paid for "karma" at all... We should be mentoring to enhance game play for ALL of the FS community, not doing it for profit... There are already so many ways to profit in this game... If I remember correctly, the whole idea behind karma was to help introduce new players to different aspects of the game and to keep veteran players involved as well... that should be all the award we require, nothing more,nothing less...  These benefits of mentoring exceed any rewards HCS might deign to give us.

 

~ Just my 2 Pennys 

[yghorbeviahn]

Don't very related with Karma, but there is an idea:

Each guild will receive 5-10 extra members slots, and that need to be filled with lvl 100- players only, after reaching lvl 100 the member will be kicked automatically, and can return as normal member if the guild invite him,  or maybe hold the player for X days, don't know...(or create a better system for that)

The guild receive % towards an Achievement or something, for helping new players to start playing.

[Removed18058]

well it would be an option to where a guild has the option to for example allow new people right in once they exit the tutorial and once a new player leaves tutorial he has the oppurtunity to join a guild that can be choosen from a list of volunteers.

 

i fear a couple of things tho

 

people creating multi's to fill up guilds instantly so that it only costs them gold and slots

 

too many new players for too few guilds

 

 

solutions would be to make them free so no gold cost for a week for the guilds, and they don't take in guild slots or have like 100 temporary slots where they can stay in for a week and after that the guild has to decide wether they let them in the actual guild or not.

 

but this is a new topic so back on topic

 

 

i've helped plenty of people with tips and tricks that i've gathered during my fallen sword time

 

new players old players eoc players you name it !

 

and it's already a lot of satisfaction if they say

 

THANKS

 

and what i love most is the fact that the persons i helped can help other people or send other people my way like

 

hi there xxx told me that you knew a way trough karthak real fast can you like help me ?

 

that just gives me a huge smile

 

 

 

i desire no reward for helping people 

 

all i desire is for more people who need helping to make me smile

 

so make karma help new players to find the most helping people no bonusses should be implemented

make it so that the people can see that someone is :

-a sort of guide status for players

-a wandering wiki

-someone who can help out  when there's no1 around in your guild

 

 

that's how i should have implemented karma. it's kind of a voluntary job within fallen sword you you don't have to be paid for being nice to other people.

[brafester]

...

 

that's how i should have implemented karma. it's kind of a voluntary job within fallen sword you you don't have to be paid for being nice to other people.

^ This

[Jose]

And why everyone talks about having more and more Karma? Isnt there a way to be a bad boy/girl? =P

[duktayp]

Hi,

 

 ....im currently sponsoring 1 player and 1 guild to help reach their goals aswell as rech their max potential....

 

my enjoyment and interest in this thread has been OPs' opening statement 

 

i'm reading in FS Box that sponsorship of the lucky guild was revoked for guild gold embezzleme​nt and begging for fsp for personal use

 

hoping OP comes back to comment on this

[Davros81]

the OP has form in this regard

[Lsrpm]

Is it just me or this whole guild "sponsor" seems like a ploy to get power in a growing guild only to destroy it.

Edited by Lsrpm, 20 August 2014 - 13:40.

[DeadParrot]

Sponsoring, REVOKED
Leeches are born, start date: 19/08/14
Guild level:248
Donations:
40 FSP
4,5m guild gold
8 level 225 librarians
5 level 225 dark curse
Players Recruited: 1

REVOKED, due to guild gold embezzlement and FSP begging for personal use.

 

 

Doesn't this posting from the OP's bio say it all?  This karma/mentor thing has to be the worst idea I've ever seen.  Poor BG and Co., having to listen to this and in an attempt to please the "masses" (rather a couple players who are now retired/semi-retired/terminated), they spend time and coding on this endeavor.  The road map is the way to go, but faster, hehe.

 

Sponsor the above guild?  They saw you coming a mile away, sport.  Haven't you learned yet that MOST of the interwebby world are scoundrels and charlatans? 

 

DP

 

p.s. thanks for the global event guys, a real nice one.

Edited by DeadParrot, 21 August 2014 - 13:59.

[WWWolf]

I don't think the Mentoring/Karma deal is all that bad - in fact, I am quite in favor of it.  However, the whole "sponsoring" of players and guilds has me asking "why?"

 

There are loads of people and guilds out there who need help to get a leg up but the more you give to any one, they more (in my experience) they come to expect it and become less appreciative of it.  What about all the others out there that need help while you are focusing on just one?  Sure, you can make a much bigger impact on that one versus 20 but then you have only encouraged 1 to stay in the game.

 

I have seen some suggestions to limit the number of players you can "Mentor" to just 3 in efforts to cut down on abuse of the system but this seems counter-productive to me.  When I help people out, it's rarely the same person over and over.  I jump on Global Chat and answer questions there or on some occasions seek out new players and help them out with some buffs and advice.  If mentors are limited to the # of players I can help then so many would not be helped when they need it most.

 

Basicly, Karma should have no value.  It should not be able to be traded for FSP or Gold!  If you are helping people to get paid then I think you missed the whole point.  One possibility can be to use the Karma as a sort of XP and have a leveling system so that the more Karma you get, the higher level Mentor you become and the higher level you get, the more Karma it takes to get to the next level.

 

Personally, I think having a notation in your bio (probably near your avatar) saying you are a level # Mentor would be enough incentive for most mentors in the game.  No Gold, FSP, Potions, or whatever should be given/exchanged for Karma as this only opens it up for abuse.  Even with the leveling system I suggest above, there will be those who get together with friends and send each other Karma but a limit on the amount of karma PlayerA can send to PlayerB (can possibly be a time factor like Daily/Weekly/Monthly) should greatly minimize this.

[BadPenny]

What Wolfie said

[murabane]

So Karma in general is just a belief that if you do good or bad, it will eventually work its way back to you full circle....

 

At least that is how it has become portrayed, truthfully karma is everything you do. Every action, every word, every thought. But regardless we have an area of the game that was suppose to convey that. The area was never implemented and really from the word and the principles behind it should never be implemented. You shouldn't need a system, or a reward system to do for others. Especially one that can be manipulated. Best thing to do is to take it out the game and off everyone's profile. It was well intended but just a bad idea, no harm in admitting that and taking it down. 

 

The mentor system should in all reality make karma obsolete as they are both aimed at helping new players. To which from day one being a mentor has been to all accounts profitless, unless you count helping people for nothing as a profit to your overall self. 

 

Also like to point out that the mentor list should be a lot more "Highlighted" to new members of the game, as many have noted several make their way to the Global Chat. While many do make the effort to help, sometimes there are instances where there isn't and that becomes discouraging for the new players.

[duktayp]

 ....the mentor list should be a lot more "Highlighted" to new members of the game...

 

currently it's: 

 

actions ---> find player ---> find a mentor (some people don't know what 'mentor' is)

 

 

should be a link on the homepage saying something like "ask a question" that takes you to the mentor page

[murabane]

currently it's: 

actions ---> find player ---> find a mentor (some people don't know what 'mentor' is)

should be a link on the homepage saying something like "ask a question" that takes you to the mentor page

 

Exactly, even if its just a message on the left side mixed in with the "new message", a log message on its own in their log, or even a tab under the FS Box(which could be toggled off). Easier access to a mentor would be better for those that dont know how to find them so easily.

[duktayp]

there are also people that join do not speak english

 

do i remember there being a spanish tutorial somewhere? can there be a link to it?

 

a collation and co-operation of non-english speaking guilds might bring in some more players....

 

i'm imagining some links that say 'need help?' in different languages that takes the player to the corresponding guild that has a "do not apply unless you understand what's written above" in the guild history

[sweetlou]

there are also people that join do not speak english

Sorry but there are at least 5 grammatical problems with this collection of words from the English language.

 

Just couldn't resist the irony.