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#21 BigGrim

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Posted 24 July 2019 - 11:24

when my guildleader receives messages from these other guilds saying that they dont like seeing my name in there guild logs because i am capturing THERE relics ,and i should be kicked from my guild or the whole guild will be targeted i think that it is taking things a bit too far

That kind of behaviour is not permitted and needs to be reported with the in-game report function.

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#22 Josh1404

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Posted 24 July 2019 - 13:09

That kind of behaviour is not permitted and needs to be reported with the in-game report function.

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Agreed.

 

Drama is dull. Talk with stamina.

 

All this relic stuff has done wonders for my team player medal. Appreciate that. :)



#23 EpicPiety

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Posted 25 July 2019 - 22:39

That kind of behavior is not permitted and needs to be reported with the in-game report function.

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Does this mean Diplomatic discussion in war times is not permitted? When you are in a guild capturing a relic you are acting on behalf of your guild not yourself as an individual. Most certainly if you don't stop the whole guild will be targeted? Purely for educational value what if whoever this person was left out the kick from guild part. I agree demanding a kick is too much if they agree to stop. As a leader of a guild i really don't care though. If your weak enough to fold maybe that person shouldn't be a "leader". Or rather maybe it is best to kick said individual out. In war time you have to weigh the positives and negatives. Maybe this person already isn't favored in the guild. Maybe you don't want issues with other guilds etc.

 

I've been in this situation many times myself. Someone in my guild is causing unwanted grief to another guild. The other guild contact me first letting me know. I then have to make the decision whether that player is truly worth it. Most of the time it's new recruits up to no good and 10 times out of 10 they get the boot. 

 

If you're not aware BG, guild wars really spur activity on both sides. I can confirm this being through many throughout the years. I'm not trying to undermine you here i just really want clarification on this topic so i can move forward knowing what is right and what is wrong by the games standards.

 

Agreed.

 

Drama is dull. Talk with stamina.

 

All this relic stuff has done wonders for my team player medal. Appreciate that. :)

I believe you may be misinterpreting, or maybe i am. Talking with stamina would still not be permitted? I don't see the different in using words and/or using stamina. The best part of a "war" to me is the carefully crafted diplomatic messages. Forcing people into a corner with words followed by action is my specialty. Although I've always been skiddish on whether i'm going to be banned for it. As a rule of thumb lately I've been staying away from most cow chats in general. My guild no longer uses in-game chat strictly the discord ran by me. I'll post the occasional post here and the occasional post in the cow discord that's it. I've found many other guild leaders have taken this approach with their guild as well. 

 

TL:DR i hate this stupid gray area. I hear so many different things and everything is taken on a case to case basis. Some punished some not even though many of them are similar situations. I find if you slightly triggered in this game you could be banned. The best part of mmo's is you have your friends, and you have your enemies. Friendly chats with your friends and not so friendly chats with your enemies.


Edited by EpicPiety, 25 July 2019 - 23:57.


#24 BadPenny

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Posted 26 July 2019 - 00:21

That kind of behaviour is not permitted and needs to be reported with the in-game report function.

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Does this mean Diplomatic discussion in war times is not permitted? When you are in a guild capturing a relic you are acting on behalf of your guild not yourself as an individual. Most certainly if you don't stop the whole guild will be targeted? Purely for educational value what if whoever this person was left out the kick from guild part. I agree demanding a kick is too much if they agree to stop. As a leader of a guild i really don't care though. If your weak enough to fold maybe that person shouldn't be a "leader". Or rather maybe it is best to kick said individual out. In war time you have to weigh the positives and negatives. Maybe this person already isn't favored in the guild. Maybe you don't want issues with other guilds etc.
 
I've been in this situation many times myself. Someone in my guild is causing unwanted grief to another guild. The other guild contact me first letting me know. I then have to make the decision whether that player is truly worth it. Most of the time it's new recruits up to no good and 10 times out of 10 they get the boot. 
 
If you're not aware BG, guild wars really spur activity on both sides. I can confirm this being through many throughout the years. I'm not trying to undermine you here i just really want clarification on this topic so i can move forward knowing what is right and what is wrong by the games standards.
 
 

Agreed.
 
Drama is dull. Talk with stamina.
 
All this relic stuff has done wonders for my team player medal. Appreciate that. smile.png

 
I believe you may be misinterpreting, or maybe i am. Talking with stamina would still not be permitted? I don't see the different in using words and/or using stamina. The best part of a "war" to me is the carefully crafted diplomatic messages. Forcing people into a corner with words followed by action is my specialty. Although I've always been skiddish on whether i'm going to be banned for it. As a rule of thumb lately I've been staying away from most cow chats in general. My guild no longer uses in-game chat strictly the discord ran by me. I'll post the occasional post here and the occasional post in the cow discord that's it. I've found many other guild leaders have taken this approach with their guild as well. 
 
TL:DR i hate this stupid gray area. I hear so many different things and everything is taken on a case to case basis. Some punished some not even though many of them are similar situations. I find if you slightly triggered in this game you could be banned. The best part of mmo's is you have your friends, and you have your enemies. Friendly chats with your friends and not so friendly chats with your enemies.

 

Being a former member of a guild that dealt with relic disputes with stam, (i.e. hourly hits for days without end) I'm reasonably sure that BG is referring to:
a) Trash talk in general
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c) any message that one would consider harassment if it was sent to them.
 
For this reason, most of the guilds that pursued this type of remedy for relic "theft" adopted the radio silence policy to cover all the bases....
 
This bickering over relics was taken too far in the past, and after numerous complaints, the type of "guild war" that ensued, especially over relics, was deemed to be player harassment and has since been prohibited, per BG.  I believe we (in my former warlike guild) were all informed that anybody that participated in guild wide hourly hits would receive a long long suspension if not permanently banned from the game.  


Edited by BadPenny, 26 July 2019 - 00:23.

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#25 KitiaraLi

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Posted 26 July 2019 - 04:53

As part of leadership in several of the more "hourly hits seems to fit our style" kinda guilds, I can still recall having to deal with numerous reports from players who wanted to annoy via relic capture, but who could not stomach the consequences in how we responded. 

I recall in particular one specific game admin, whom single handed drove a bunch of very active ppl outta the game, just because of her own disliking of PvP - and hence altering the rules to punish those who were good at just that.

At that time it ended up in a collective stance from the more dominating PvP oriented guilds, forcing a ruling from Hoof.... and BG as well. I still have several of their messages stocked away, just in case a new game admin should lose their grip over what this game is actually build around.

 

Just a few of those, maybe to remind someone?
 

 

Hoofmaster;
You won't get banned for PvP - it's part of the game.
If you send messages to your opponent however, please be sure they are not offensive.

 

Forn;
Hitting Every hour is not Harassment, it is harassment if you are sent nasty messages along side the attacks by that person. If this happens please report the messages so support can deal with them appropriately.

 

BigGrim;
Remember, this is a PvP game.

 

Hoofmaster;
I'll have a meeting with the team on Monday to ensure everyone is on the same page with regard to when to issue suspensions etc.


I am unsure why this thread changed into this talk, seeing as it started being something about a medal - just figured I'd add a little oldtimer knowledge to it  :rolleyes:

Edited by KitiaraLi, 26 July 2019 - 04:56.

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#26 BigGrim

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Posted 26 July 2019 - 10:12

Stuff.

1. Trash talk is fine as long as you're not being offensive. Just understand some people may not react to this as you expect.
2. Threats in general are not acceptable. It's certainly not cool for other Guilds to threaten to destroy another Guild due to one players action or simply because they don't like the player.

This is all pretty common sense stuff. PvP is fine. It's part of the game. Ruining other peoples experience of the game for your own ends? Not so much.

Understand, we cannot make an exhustive list here. In the end, heed the immortal words of Bill and Ted.

"Be excellent to each other!"

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#27 whydoiplay

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Posted 27 July 2019 - 04:32

I think it's fair to have a medal for relic capture, it's to encourage people to fight for those relics that all guilds want really badly. 

 

 

 

 

This is off topic btw...

 

everyone who taking relic knowing how easy taking relics too
 
as proof there was one man guild who recruiting 2 players who low levels only for joining his group for he can capturing relics
this player then capturing all relics from lowest level to very high level from very many guilds and all big guilds and he having no problem
this showing how very easy
 
in many other games I playing there towers (same like relics) but it impossible for 1 player or few players taking tower from big guilds
 
at moment there big penalty if guild having more than 1 relic and with crazy high composing battles becoming very stupid easy, low levels can taking relic from big guilds (hcs you can looking at admin account kamicazer7 who in same guild like activeh1, go looking at guild logs for seeing low levels taking relics from big guilds easy)
 
hcs you needing improving relic battles, need adding for every guild member defending relic stats increasing extra 10-20%, if you having 5 guild members defending relic then relic stats creasing extra 50-100%, this very easy and fast coding and bringing real battling back
 
hoofmaster can asking how my guild can getting hcs admin join our guild like admin kamicazer7 is in activeh1 guild? thank you very much
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Hey Kitobass, I was the person who invited kamicazer7 to guild. He posted to global that he needed to test guild conflict on the app. Also, since he joined the guild, he has really been nothing but trouble  :D  But he has found lots of bugs he wouldn't else have found in less active guilds.

 

League of Legends is one of, or perhaps, the most active guild right now in FS. You may also come join us to see for yourself if you like. I know about Angellife, I've been there, it's a shell of it's good days.

 

 

Remove Lead Defender Bonus in general. Makes it impossible to hold 6 relics. Really no point to it other than making something that is possible through activity and teamwork into impossible around the board. Everything should be possible through activity and teamwork in a community driven game.

I like this idea and I agree with it 100%, should just be all about teamwork. Most relics just have one lead defender that's highly buffed while the rest sits in epics, NOT FAIR.



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Posted 01 August 2019 - 14:59

I think it's fair to have a medal for relic capture, it's to encourage people to fight for those relics that all guilds want really badly.

I agreing that relic medal good but not in current relic capture system, everyone who capturing relic or having guild war knowing how very easy capturing relic is, we not wanting lying, saying truth, I with my player stats can capturing very easy all relics in game, from all big guilds who doing defending, that no problem that why need giving compitition to relic battles, not easy winning button

 

 

Hey Kitobass, I was the person who invited kamicazer7 to guild. He posted to global that he needed to test guild conflict on the app. Also, since he joined the guild, he has really been nothing but trouble  :D  But he has found lots of bugs he wouldn't else have found in less active guilds.

I thinking you not understanding what I meaning, when admin who doing programming is in player guilds (not admin guilds) it giving suspision, it not mattering if he only staying in your guild, my guild or other guilds in game

 

you saying he founding lots of bugs, this first time I reading about it, I asking others and they saying same thing but let forgetting admin in guild topic because it offtopic

 

 

Remove Lead Defender Bonus in general. Makes it impossible to hold 6 relics. Really no point to it other than making something that is possible through activity and teamwork into impossible around the board. Everything should be possible through activity and teamwork in a community driven game.

 

I like this idea and I agree with it 100%, should just be all about teamwork. Most relics just have one lead defender that's highly buffed while the rest sits in epics, NOT FAIR.

years ago was discussion and HCS staying with levelers for lead defender bonus

pvpers wanting that all stats of defenders working but levelers saying this advantage for pvpers because they always in pvp setup and it not fair lol

can not believing they winning with stupid reason but it very sad happening

 

I agreing with epicpiety and whydoiplay that it should be all about teamwork but that is problem here in game, when you posting about teamwork it is bad idea and will not getting accepting

I not understanding why teamwork in fallensword game is bad thing but in all games I playing teamwork is highest thing and it bringing very much activity


Edited by kitobas, 01 August 2019 - 15:04.


#29 BigGrim

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Posted 01 August 2019 - 15:38

I thinking you not understanding what I meaning, when admin who doing programming is in player guilds (not admin guilds) it giving suspision, it not mattering if he only staying in your guild, my guild or other guilds in game

I've already told you why he's there. Testing. No more, no less.

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#30 BadPenny

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Posted 01 August 2019 - 22:56

There's been plenty of complaining about a lack of testing over the years.... How is kami doing some testing of guild functions (apparently GvG) any different than hooftest roaming the realms testing gear, etc, or Zorg testing stuff in realms he's clearly way too low a level for?  At least some testing is going on, whether for the app or general play.   Shouldn't we be grateful for this?  

 

Just one old lady's opinion.....


Edited by BadPenny, 02 August 2019 - 00:55.

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#31 yotekiller

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Posted 01 August 2019 - 23:08

There's been plenty of complaining about a lack of testing over the years.... How is kami doing some testing of guild functions (apparently GvG) any different than hooftest roaming the realms testing gear, etc, or Zorg testing stuff in realms he's clearly way too a level for?  At least some testing is going on, whether for the app or general play.   Shouldn't we be grateful for this?  

 

Just one old lady's opinion.....

Just out of curiosity, who is paying for this GvG testing and who gets the benefit of any RP gains from the testing?  Are the cows paying for the testing and the guild getting the benefit of free RP?  I could raise more concerns but I think those are fair and basic questions that will be deleted as quickly as possible, hence my sig line.


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#32 sohail94

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Posted 01 August 2019 - 23:15

If kami joins a group that otherwise would not have made, or even delayed, then they are actively facilitating the taking of relics, thus burning additional resources for the opposing guild.

yeah I get this, hopefully the guys at LoL can tell us all if kami is joining their groups or not, it would be a small advantage having an active group joiner compared to other guilds that might have to wait a while sometimes to get the min 2 needed.



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Posted 02 August 2019 - 00:32

ok from the 346 groups and 331 relics i have created and captured since i joined LOL kami has proberly joined 3 or 4 of them ,

  the groups that they do join are to kill se and elites 


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#34 BadPenny

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Posted 02 August 2019 - 00:50

Well, if GvG is what is being tested, Kami is always welcome to join my crew....   We're not allowed to take relics anyway, so that would not be an issue here at SA


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Posted 02 August 2019 - 00:53

tbh i have not spoken or seen kami in guild chat ,i have seen them in 1 conflict (which we lost)


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#36 activeh1

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Posted 02 August 2019 - 00:56

 I just need 2 people in my group, regardless of level.  I'm sure others can do this as well so level isn't a huge factor when you have a group leader that has access to the right gear and buffs. 

this is totally correct with the right gear and buffs i could have 2 lev 50s in a group and capture prob 98% of the relics ,

 

so back the the topic still think we need a medal for capture ,numbers would have to be higher that defend


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#37 Akarinaga

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Posted 02 August 2019 - 01:10

yeah I get this, hopefully the guys at LoL can tell us all if kami is joining their groups or not, it would be a small advantage having an active group joiner compared to other guilds that might have to wait a while sometimes to get the min 2 needed.

 he joins very few groups, he's only online and checks the app at most times, what i've seen is, sometimes he makes a group, sometimes he joins a group or two, he takes out item from guild store and puts it back, literally feels like a bot if u ask me lol. no offense that is

 

Just out of curiosity, who is paying for this GvG testing and who gets the benefit of any RP gains from the testing?  Are the cows paying for the testing and the guild getting the benefit of free RP?  I could raise more concerns but I think those are fair and basic questions that will be deleted as quickly as possible, hence my sig line.

we are paying for the gvg initiates the rp we generate goes to us, but kami isnt really Generating any rp to make u concerned of any free rp. curiousity lies where you people dont understand what testing means really. literally testing the app, thats all he does, and he did ask in global chat for an active guild to test for, and he came here. if you're so fragile about it idk what may have happened to you all, lol



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Posted 05 August 2019 - 09:50

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