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[BigGrim]

Hi there Everyone.

Here is a list of possible Loyalty Potions. We're looking for feedback on these as well as suggested points costs.

Anti Deflect 300 ~ Yes.

Super Elite Slayer 200 ~ Yes.

Overkill 300 ~ Yes.

Honor 250 ~ Yes.

Degrade 200 ~ Yes.

Side Step 200 ~ Yes.

Last Ditch? 250 ~ Yes.

Inventor (II) 200 ~ Yes.

Reckoning 230 ~ Yes.

Sacrifice 350 ~ Yes.

Gold Foot 250 ~ Yes.

Cloak 100 (300 minutes) ~ Yes.

Extend 200 ~ Yes.

Reinforce 250 ~ Yes.

Overkill 300 ~ Yes.

Sanctuary lvl 250 ~ Yes.

Stun lvl 200 ~ Yes.

Mighty Vigor 250 ~ Yes.

Ignite/Poison 200 ~ Yes.

Arterial Strike 200 ~ Yes

Spectral Knight 200 ~ Yes

Flinch 200 ~ Yes

Terrorize 200 ~ Yes

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Treasure Hunter 250 ~ Maybe?

Merch 275 ~ Maybe?

Dull Edge 200 ~ Maybe?

Brewing master 250 ~ Invalidates the recently released Pontius Egg.

Extractor II 200 ~ Yes. Could be a touch higher though. 300?

Find Item 1250 ~ 800? 1000? 1250 makes the 1000 in SA obsolete.

Stalker 300 ~ Maybe. If so, the existing Stalker potions would need to be buffed a wee bit.

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AL180 and CON180 potions should be updated to 250?


~ The Fallen Sword Team

[Davros81]

Inventor (II) 20 ~ Yes....? think you meant 200 perhaps :S

[Davros81]

Hi there Everyone.

Here is a list of possible Loyalty Potions. We're looking for feedback on these as well as suggested points costs.

Anti Deflect 300 ~ Yes. 100 tokens?

Super Elite Slayer 200 ~ NO - perhaps a later composing update?

Overkill 300 ~ Yes. 150 tokens ( should be a premium potion)

Honor 250 ~ NO

Degrade 200 ~ NO

Side Step 200 ~ Yes. 50/75 tokens

Last Ditch? 250 ~ NO- composing instead

Inventor (II) 20 ~ NO - already too much exposure to inventor 2 in the game

Reckoning 230 ~ NO - composing update

Sacrifice 350 ~ NO - have that buff already, remove it due to composing

Gold Foot 250 ~ NO due to there being so many of the dragon LE eggs

Cloak 100 (300 minutes) ~ NO win it in the arena, its easy enough

Extend 200 ~ NO - add to composing later on

Reinforce 250 ~ NO - not a necessity

Overkill 300 ~ Yes. Number 1 choice for inclusion 200 tokens (another premium potion)

Sanctuary lvl 250 ~ NO - pointless with composing giving higher

Stun lvl 200 ~ NO - not vital to the community as a whole

Mighty Vigor 250 ~ Maybe - if price was cheap enough

Ignite/Poison 200 ~ NO - neither are vital buffs

Arterial Strike 200 ~ NO - not a vital buff

Spectral Knight 200 ~ NO - add to composing at a later date

Flinch 200 ~ NO - due to composing

Terrorize 200 ~ NO due to composing

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Treasure Hunter 250 ~ YES 250 tokens to stop a flood of gold coming into the game

Merch 275 ~ YES same as Treasure hunter

Dull Edge 200 ~ No - composing

Brewing master 250 ~ NO for this: Invalidates the recently released Pontius Egg.

Extractor II 200 ~ Yes. Could be a touch higher though. 300 <-- agreed

Find Item 1250 ~ 800? 1000? No - they are cheap enough in the AH as it is

Stalker 300 ~ Yes but make it a premium cost potion.

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AL180 and CON180 potions should be updated to 250? YES but no one in a guild with a reasonable composer will buy them


~ The Fallen Sword Team edited by Davvyboy

i have edited the yes to a no where i think those pots aren't necessary with reasons.

 

Just my opinions

[wil72]

What if you don't do composing mate? Are we to be penalised? I'm sorry Dav but i don't see the relevance of composing when the pots are for individual use only.

 

Cheers.

 

wil72

Edited by wil72, 23 January 2015 - 17:47.

[Davros81]

most guilds have a composer, furthermore some of these potions merely diminish the achievement that comes along with having worked hard to become a high level composer. I think loyalty potions shouldn't take away from the importance of composing.

[johnagod]

Hi there Everyone.

Here is a list of possible Loyalty Potions. We're looking for feedback on these as well as suggested points costs.

Anti Deflect 300 ~ Sure

Super Elite Slayer 200 ~ Maybe 180

Overkill 300 ~ YES. Make it 100-125 tokens

Honor 250 ~ Maybe 200

Degrade 200 ~ Why not

Side Step 200 ~ Why not

Last Ditch? 250 ~ Nope, 325 is already available and 175 is already effective enough as it is

Inventor (II) 20 ~ 200? Sure but no higher

Reckoning 230 ~ Makes the cave potion worthless. Maybe make it 125 tokens

Sacrifice 350 ~ Nope, too many of these potions going around. 250s barely sell as it is

Gold Foot 250 ~ Sure but need to be cheap as GF 400 eggs are in abundance

Cloak 100 (300 minutes) ~ Nope maybe make this level 50

Extend 200 ~ Why not

Reinforce 250 ~ Why not

Overkill 300 ~ This is already mentioned above

Sanctuary lvl 250 ~ Nope, composing has overpowered it

Stun lvl 200 ~ Nope, dragon eggs

Mighty Vigor 250 ~ Sure. 100 tokens

Ignite/Poison 200 ~ Meh, no comment

Arterial Strike 200 ~ Nah, not needed

Spectral Knight 200 ~ Not needed again

Flinch 200 ~ Same as above I think

Terrorize 200 ~ Eggs are still cheap at level 250

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Treasure Hunter 250 ~ Yes! 75 tokens

Merch 275 ~ Sure, also 75 tokens

Dull Edge 200 ~ Not needed

Brewing master 250 ~ Nope!!

Extractor II 200 ~ Yep, maybe 250 or 300

Find Item 1250 ~ No need, 800 and 1000 are already so cheap

Stalker 300 ~ Nope, composing is maxed at 300. Make it level 240-250

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AL180 and CON180 potions should be updated to 250? Yes, make them cheap enough though. Not too expensive


~ The Fallen Sword Team

[wil72]

most guilds have a composer, furthermore some of these potions merely diminish the achievement that comes along with having worked hard to become a high level composer. I think loyalty potions shouldn't take away from the importance of composing.

 

Sorry mate, I ain't buying it. In my opinion it would be rather unfair to suggest that certain buffs listed should only be obtained through composing when not everyone does it or wants to. Does it diminish any achievement made by a composer? I don't think so. If you are lucky enough to have a composer that can make pots containing certain suggested buffs then that's great. No one in  those guilds will need to donate to gain loyalty tokens to get those buffs. I'd say that's a pretty big composing achievement. Look, I donate, not hiding the fact and i would be more than annoyed, as many others would be I'm sure, if pots were restricted because they could be added to composing or part of composing already.

 

Cheers.

 

wil72

Edited by wil72, 23 January 2015 - 18:30.

[Gorrent]

Thousand of loyalty points are not earned by logging in everday.

 

The current loyalty potions mostly are useless, now you want to add more useless one. I dont mind, keep up the good job.

[wil72]

Thousand of loyalty points are not earned by logging in everday.

 

The current loyalty potions mostly are useless, now you want to add more useless one. I dont mind, keep up the good job.

 

Which ones are useless?

 

Cheers.

 

wil72

[johnagod]

Thousand of loyalty points are not earned by logging in everday.

 

The current loyalty potions mostly are useless, now you want to add more useless one. I dont mind, keep up the good job.

 

 

Care to suggest any useFUL ones then?

[Gorrent]

Which ones are useless?

 

Cheers.

 

wil72

 

every potions you can get from AH or composing. i dont mind adding more of these pots.

[Gorrent]

Care to suggest any useFUL ones then?

 

Nope, its useless. More suggestion make it worse. i'll just suggest for loyalty point cost  - according to the level of the potions

[Ringhal]

What actually concerns me more is, there will be little point in assigning skill points to any of the buffs because all the useful ones have a potion (or will be getting a potion). I recently did a skill reset and have only assigned 2 buffs (both because there isn't potion available), and the rest that I use are in some potion form.

 

My main point is, everything is becoming overpowered (irrelevant of the cost), and global potions and some epic potions aren't special anymore.

 

That's my 2 cents.

[drakos333]

would the potential potions listed that are currently available in the arena store still be there? or would they be removed and only available through loyalty section? 

[Pardoux]

I think you're thinking WAY too big there BG tbh. Add a few more to Loyalty, by all means, but 23 YES and 7 MAYBE is, imo, going overboard.

 

Add a few here and then a few weeks / months later, add another few and drip feed them. If you open the floodgates like this, what can/will you add next time players are clamouring for more ?

 

Of the ones you've said YES too :-

 

SES 200 - I'd like to see that at 250 and around 150-200 tokens.

 

Inventor II - No, change this to EXTRACTOR I perhaps and ramp it up to 250/300. Too many inventing boosting potions in-game already. Bump the chance of GETTING the extracts for invents, but leave the CHANCES of invent untouched. Same price as above (150-200 tokens)

 

Most of the others, I'm ambivalent about, tbh - they're either barely an improvement on existing buffs or are covered elsewhere by existing potions through other means.

 

Of the ones you've said MAYBE too :-

 

TH / MER - NO. You keep saying there's too much gold in the game, so why add the means to bring even more in ?

 

Extractor II - Yup - at 250 / 300, same as Extractor I, if you change that .. (150-200 tokens)

 

Find Item 1250 -  Will have to say no, even though it would help me. It's just too close to the AH FI1K which is cheap as chips and too close to the donation special of FI1500. Bump up the donation one to FI2K perhaps and make a loyalty one of 1500, but at a premium price (750 upwards).

 

Ringhal also makes a VERY valid point... if all these become available in Loyalty, then those of us with reasonable amounts (or greater) of loyalty points have little to nothing to assign our levelling up skill points to because most will have been superceded via other means.

 

Edited by Pardoux, 23 January 2015 - 21:23.

[vlkfenrir]

I think you're thinking WAY too big there BG tbh. Add a few more to Loyalty, by all means, but 23 YES and 7 MAYBE is, imo, going overboard.

 

Add a few here and then a few weeks / months later, add another few and drip feed them. If you open the floodgates like this, what can/will you add next time players are clamouring for more ?

 

Of the ones you've said YES too :-

 

SES 200 - I'd like to see that at 250 and around 150-200 tokens.

 

Inventor II - No, change this to EXTRACTOR I perhaps and ramp it up to 250/300. Too many inventing boosting potions in-game already. Bump the chance of GETTING the extracts for invents, but leave the CHANCES of invent untouched. Same price as above (150-200 tokens)

 

Most of the others, I'm ambivalent about, tbh - they're either barely an improvement on existing buffs or are covered elsewhere by existing potions through other means.

 

Of the ones you've said MAYBE too :-

 

TH / MER - NO. You keep saying there's too much gold in the game, so why add the means to bring even more in ?

 

Extractor II - Yup - at 250 / 300, same as Extractor I, if you change that .. (150-200 tokens)

 

Find Item 1250 -  Will have to say no, even though it would help me. It's just too close to the AH FI1K which is cheap as chips and too close to the donation special of FI1500. Bump up the donation one to FI2K perhaps and make a loyalty one of 1500, but at a premium price (750 upwards).

 

Ringhal also makes a VERY valid point... if all these become available in Loyalty, then those of us with reasonable amounts (or greater) of loyalty points have little to nothing to assign our levelling up skill points to because most will have been superceded via other means.

 

As much as I am surprised myself I have to agree with pardoux there, except for SES pot which I do not think is needed - do not make the SEs even easier to kill (for now at least).

 

What I would support the most is the idea of adding a few a a time not dozen new pots at once as it would play too much on our greedy selfs... I guess we can all see where this would lead to.

Edited by vlkfenrir, 23 January 2015 - 22:01.

[yghorbeviahn]

I vote for NO on any Merchant or Treasure Hunter over 175. There is way too much gold on the game already....Just my 2 cents.

[BadPenny]

Thousand of loyalty points are not earned by logging in everday.

 

The current loyalty potions mostly are useless, now you want to add more useless one. I dont mind, keep up the good job.

Dear, I donate every month... I have lots and lots of loyalty tokens, and no good pots to spend them on.  I don't use global booster, it's cheaper to buy the UB pot in the AH, and with the exception of DBL 1200 and MAYBE the SAC, the leveling buffs there are too small to make any kind of difference imho.  I am a loyal customer, and I want some value in my "loyalty potions".  The boss has presented a list of *possible* new potions.  He wants feedback, not only of what we like or don't like about the list, but what we would like to have on the list for consideration.  I'm sorry, not meaning to be rude here, but if you have nothing positive to say, please don't, OK?  We have enough negativity around here as it is.    

 

#end rant

 

 

as for this list:

 

Hi there Everyone.

Here is a list of possible Loyalty Potions. We're looking for feedback on these as well as suggested points costs.

Anti Deflect 300 ~ Yes. Yes, I'd pay up to 500 tokens

Super Elite Slayer 200 ~ Yes. Yes, I'd pay up to 500 tokens

Overkill 300 ~ Yes.  

Honor 250 ~ Yes.  This buff only works in case of a failed attack.... It is not useful for defending, and inapplicable to the bounty board.  I can only see it as useful for ladder purposes.  Maybe if it was reworked so it also has properties for the defending party...

Degrade 200 ~ Yes.

Side Step 200 ~ Yes. Yes, I'd pay up to 500 tokens

Last Ditch? 250 ~ Yes. Even 175 is very powerful... kicks in well and often, sometimes more than once in battle... 

Inventor (II) 20 ~ Yes. 

Reckoning 230 ~ Yes.  Yes, not sure what I'd pay though.

Sacrifice 350 ~ Yes.

Gold Foot 250 ~ Yes.  I used this buff once... I didn't like the costs involved myself and deactivated it pretty quickly, so I definitely wouldn't use a bigger one.

Cloak 100 (300 minutes) ~ Yes. Longer time, yes, but size doesn't matter here, all we need is for it to hide our total stats, and 30 does that just fine.  

Extend 200 ~ Yes.  

Reinforce 250 ~ Yes.  

Not sure about prices on these.

Overkill 300 ~ Yes.

Sanctuary lvl 250 ~ Yes.  Yes, I'd pay up to 500 tokens

Stun lvl 200 ~ Yes. 

Mighty Vigor 250 ~ Yes. 

Ignite/Poison 200 ~ Yes.  Yes, I'd pay up to 500 tokens

Arterial Strike 200 ~ Yes

Spectral Knight 200 ~ Yes

Flinch 200 ~ Yes

Terrorize 200 ~ Yes

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Treasure Hunter 250 ~ Maybe?  Please please please can Pennah haz?

Merch 275 ~ Maybe? See TH

Dull Edge 200 ~ Maybe? 

Brewing master 250 ~ Invalidates the recently released Pontius Egg.  Let's leave the eggs alone.... 

Extractor II 200 ~ Yes. Could be a touch higher though. 300?  

Find Item 1250 ~ 800? 1000? 1250 makes the 1000 in SA obsolete.  TBH, I seem to get more drops with no FI these days, and with 800 so inexpensive, and 1K showing up in the bazaar with good frequency, this is unnecessary.

Stalker 300 ~ Maybe. If so, the existing Stalker potions would need to be buffed a wee bit. 

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AL180 and CON180 potions should be updated to 250?  These are easily obtained via composing, even at the lower levels, you can make more powerful ones than this of each.  I find this would be counter-productive to those of us who do compose... HOWEVER, I can see the need for those who do not, and do not have a guild composer readily available. 

 

BTW, the folks with huge stam banks really want a bigger doubler.  Personally, I think 1200 is more than big enough, but I'm just small fry with a mediocre stam bank.  They want to hunt quicker, give it to them... 1500-1750 should do it, make it 500-750 tokens.... 

 

One last thing... Make a gold cost for all loyalty items, not just keys and GB's.  

 

~ The Fallen Sword Team

 

There ya go, folks, Pennah's opinion on the matter..

Edited by BadPenny, 23 January 2015 - 22:36.

[wil72]

Ringhal also makes a VERY valid point... if all these become available in Loyalty, then those of us with reasonable amounts (or greater) of loyalty points have little to nothing to assign our levelling up skill points to because most will have been superceded via other means.

 

 

Personally, I allocate skill points to buffs not so I can buff myself but to allow me to buff guild mates, allies or anyone else I see fit. Thought that would be a good reason to use them, no?

 

I vote YES for all, me like overpowered, wish these were.

 

Cheers.

 

wil72

Edited by wil72, 23 January 2015 - 22:55.

[sweetlou]

Anti Deflect 300 ~ Yes.
 

Here's what caught my attention.

 

Anti-D 300, hell yes! Make it 350+!! Just don't make it an outrageous cost where you need 500 or more tokens for an hour long pot.

 

I took a bounty just today where I had Anti-D, SL, SB and Sealed(all 175) against a player with Deflect 175. The first 8 battles were deflected. I always would consider there will be at least 2 maybe 3 deflects out of 10 in a bounty, and that is tooo many. 43.75% chance that attack fails against a 35% chance that deflect doesn't activate. To me that means there's a +8.75% chance that it will activate when anti-d is running against deflect. Somehow I doubt that is how it works... Sealed is a buff that I have no real idea if it prevents deflect from kicking or not. Once in a while you see deflect negated so I think it might work against it. It may be wishful thinking. What I do know is having the probability of 8 deflects in a row is like the chance of winning something big in Vegas. IT SHOULDN'T HAPPEN!

 

Here's the log:

 

15:26 23/Jan/2015
[ Ignore ]  You were victorious over xxxxxxx in combat. [ View Combat ] (Bounty Combat) [ Reply | Trade | ST | Buff | Attack ]
XP stolen:309,168 Gold lost:115 Gold stolen:87 Prestige gain:1
15:26 23/Jan/2015
[ Ignore ]  You completed a bounty on xxxxxxx gaining the reward of 77,300 Gold [ Reply | Trade | ST | Buff | Attack ]
15:23 23/Jan/2015
[ Ignore ]  You were victorious over xxxxxxx in combat. [ View Combat ] (Bounty Combat) [ Reply | Trade | ST | Buff | Attack ]
XP stolen:293,921 Gold lost:230 Gold stolen:173 Prestige gain:1
15:21 23/Jan/2015
[ Ignore ]  You were victorious over xxxxxxx in combat. [ View Combat ] (Bounty Combat) [ Reply | Trade | ST | Buff | Attack ]
XP stolen:279,313 Gold lost:202 Gold stolen:152 Prestige gain:1
15:19 23/Jan/2015
[ Ignore ]  You were victorious over xxxxxxx in combat. [ View Combat ] (Bounty Combat) [ Reply | Trade | ST | Buff | Attack ]
XP stolen:312,853 Gold lost:265 Gold stolen:199 Prestige gain:1
15:17 23/Jan/2015
[ Ignore ]  You were victorious over xxxxxxx in combat. [ View Combat ] (Bounty Combat) [ Reply | Trade | ST | Buff | Attack ]
XP stolen:283,108 Gold lost:247 Gold stolen:186 Prestige gain:1
15:14 23/Jan/2015
[ Ignore ]  You were victorious over xxxxxxx in combat. [ View Combat ] (Bounty Combat) [ Reply | Trade | ST | Buff | Attack ]
XP stolen:300,764 Gold lost:167 Gold stolen:126 Prestige gain:1
15:12 23/Jan/2015
[ Ignore ]  You were victorious over xxxxxxx in combat. [ View Combat ] (Bounty Combat) [ Reply | Trade | ST | Buff | Attack ]
XP stolen:267,640 Gold lost:426 Gold stolen:320 Prestige gain:1
15:10 23/Jan/2015
[ Ignore ]  You were victorious over xxxxxxx in combat. [ View Combat ] (Bounty Combat) [ Reply | Trade | ST | Buff | Attack ]
XP stolen:265,086 Gold lost:121 Gold stolen:91 Prestige gain:1
15:08 23/Jan/2015
[ Ignore ]  You were victorious over xxxxxxx in combat. [ View Combat ] (Bounty Combat) [ Reply | Trade | ST | Buff | Attack ]

15:06 23/Jan/2015
[ Ignore ]  You were victorious over xxxxxxx in combat. [ View Combat ] (Bounty Combat) [ Reply | Trade | ST | Buff | Attack ]
XP stolen:280,609 Gold lost:320 Gold stolen:240 Prestige gain:1
15:04 23/Jan/2015
[ Ignore ]  Your attack on xxxxxxx was deflected. (Bounty Combat) [ Reply | Trade | ST | Buff | Attack ]
15:02 23/Jan/2015
[ Ignore ]  Your attack on xxxxxxx was deflected. (Bounty Combat) [ Reply | Trade | ST | Buff | Attack ]
14:59 23/Jan/2015
[ Ignore ]  Your attack on xxxxxxx was deflected. (Bounty Combat) [ Reply | Trade | ST | Buff | Attack ]
14:57 23/Jan/2015
[ Ignore ]  Your attack on xxxxxxx was deflected. (Bounty Combat) [ Reply | Trade | ST | Buff | Attack ]
14:54 23/Jan/2015
[ Ignore ]  Your attack on xxxxxxx was deflected. (Bounty Combat) [ Reply | Trade | ST | Buff | Attack ]
14:52 23/Jan/2015
[ Ignore ]  Your attack on xxxxxxx was deflected. (Bounty Combat) [ Reply | Trade | ST | Buff | Attack ]

14:50 23/Jan/2015
[ Ignore ]  Your attack on xxxxxxx was deflected. (Bounty Combat) [ Reply | Trade | ST | Buff | Attack ]
14:48 23/Jan/2015
[ Ignore ]  Your attack on xxxxxxx was deflected. (Bounty Combat) [ Reply | Trade | ST | Buff | Attack ]
14:47 23/Jan/2015  You accepted the bounty against xxxxxxx. Remember you will only gain the reward if you are the first to get the required amount of kills!