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#1 BigGrim

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Posted 11 October 2021 - 13:17

Loyalty Update


Got through the thread today and here are the changes I've made. Changes are in bold.


Change Potion of Intensity to:
Doubler 1500 Loyalty 200


Change Auspice of Ancients to:
Conserve 400 Loyalty 100


Change Scholars Draft to:
Adept Learner 400 Loyalty 250
Librarian 400

Potion of Ultimate Global Acceleration Cost reduced to 1000.


Move Fast Track Draft from Caves and upgrade to buff level 200. Loyalty: 100.


New:

Here are 13 new proposed potions and their loyalty costs.

Warriors Elixir. Loyalty: 150

Fury Level : 200 Duration : 120m
Berserk Level : 200 Duration : 120m
Dark Curse Level : 200 Duration : 120m
Enchanted Weapon Level : 200 Duration : 120m

Considering removing:
Wither Level : 200 Duration : 120m
Shatter Armor Level : 200 Duration : 120m

and replacing with:
Enchanted Armor Level : 200
Keen Edge Level : 200


Potion of the Quester. Loyalty: 300

Find Item Level : 1000 Duration : 120m
Quest Finder Level : 250 Duration : 120m
Quest Hunter Level : 250 Duration : 120m


Potion of Precision Strike. Loyalty: 500

Arterial Strike Level : 1000 Duration : 120m


Forgemaster Draft. Loyalty: 200

Epic Forge Level : 200 Duration : 120m
Epic Craft Level : 200 Duration :120m



Magical Carapace. Loyalty: 300

Defensive Aura Level : 250 Duration : 120m
Shield Wall Level : 250 Duration : 120m


Sorcerous Scales. Loyalty: 300

Layered Armor Level : 250 Duration : 120m
Armor Boost Level : 250 Duration : 120m


Hunting Lord Potion. Loyalty: 1000

Doubler Level : 3000 Duration : 120m


Potion of the Divine Hunter. Loyalty: 2000

Doubler Level : 5000 Duration : 120m


Potion of Divine Knowledge. Loyalty: 500

Adept Learner Level : 600 Duration : 120m
Librarian Level : 600 Duration : 120m


Rampage Potion. Loyalty: 1000

Animal Magnetism Level : 450 Duration : 120m
Conserve Level : 550 Duration : 120m


Alchemist Prized Potion. Removed.

Distil removed.
Brewing Master removed.


Potion of Supreme Global Acceleration. Loyalty 750
Global Booster 1000

Potion of Devilish Global Acceleration. Loyalty 1500.
Global Booster 2000

Potion of Godly Global Acceleration. Loyalty 3000.
Global Booster 3000



#2 EpicPiety

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Posted 11 October 2021 - 13:23

Warriors Elixir. Loyalty: 150 > 300
 
Fury Level : 200 Duration : 120m > 300m
Berserk Level : 200 Duration : 120m > 300m
Dark Curse Level : 200 Duration : 120m > 300m
Enchanted Weapon Level : 200 > 800 Duration : 120m > 300m
Wither Level : 200 > 300 Duration : 120m > 300m
Shatter Armor Level : 200 Duration : 120m > 300m

Forgemaster Draft. Loyalty:  200
 
Epic Forge Level :  200 Duration : 120m > 240m
Epic Craft Level : 200 Duration :120m > 240m

 

Rampage Potion. Loyalty:  1000 > 750
 
Animal Magnetism Level : 450 Duration : 120m
Conserve Level : 550 > 650 Duration : 120m
Find Item Level 1250 : Duration : 120m
 
Potion of Divine Knowledge. Loyalty:  500
 
Adept Learner Level : 600 > 700 Duration : 120m
Librarian Level : 600 > 650 Duration : 120m
 
Potion of Precision Strike. Loyalty: 500 > 1000

Arterial Strike Level : 1000 > 1750 Duration : 120m
 

 

NEW

 

Base Booster. Loyalty: 300

Rage: 250 Duration: 240m
Fortify: 500 Duration: 240m

Evade: 500 Duration: 240m

Rockskin:  500 Duration: 240m

Aura of Protection: 500 Duration: 240m

Great Vigor: 500 Duration: 240m

NEW (to replace BM/Distil pot)


Insert Name. Loyalty 200

 

Pride: 300 Duration: 60m

Brewing Master 250 Duration: 60m

I really think a good thing would be to take advantage of duration from time to time. We don't always need a better potion with higher skills... However a worse potion with higher duration could be taken just as well for a fair few.

Lastly the above suggested are not overpowered however will also offer some use to those at all stages of the game.


Edited by EpicPiety, 11 October 2021 - 15:03.


#3 Emperor Sidd

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Posted 11 October 2021 - 13:36

Would you consider - Guild Buffer | Level 350 |  60 mins ?



#4 EpicPiety

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Posted 11 October 2021 - 13:43

Would you consider - Guild Buffer | Level 350 |  60 mins ?

Add Buff master 250, extend 200 and reinforce 200 and slap a price sticker of 300 loyalty. 


Edited by EpicPiety, 11 October 2021 - 13:46.


#5 Grech

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Posted 11 October 2021 - 13:44

The level 200 buffs potions should be a bit higher. Can get over 200 already in buff market sometimes. Why would anyone spend points on them?

Just make this update a thing already!

*fingers grasping after brewing master 500 potion disappearing into the mist*

Edited by Grech, 11 October 2021 - 13:45.


#6 michael65

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Posted 11 October 2021 - 13:49

as to duration, pls remember use of brewing master will make buff last.

prices seem measured.

my 2 cents

#7 Rome

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Posted 11 October 2021 - 14:18

When the update to the loyalty section was first announced, there was a lot of excitement about some of the potential potions that would be added in the update. Now the potions have been whittled down so far that there is no longer any incentive to use loyalty tokens once again. Almost all of the buffs listed here are available elsewhere with better levels for cheaper costs.



#8 BigGrim

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Posted 11 October 2021 - 15:27

When the update to the loyalty section was first announced, there was a lot of excitement about some of the potential potions that would be added in the update. Now the potions have been whittled down so far that there is no longer any incentive to use loyalty tokens once again. Almost all of the buffs listed here are available elsewhere with better levels for cheaper costs.

Interesting, considering that these changes come from Player Feedback and, as stated in my opening post, the only thing to have really gone down is the loyalty token cost.

 

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#9 Alisa

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Posted 11 October 2021 - 15:28

Potion of the Quester. Loyalty: 300

Find Item Level : 1000 Duration : 120m
Quest Finder Level : 250 Duration : 120m
Quest Hunter Level : 250 Duration : 120m

Rampage Potion. Loyalty: 1000

Animal Magnetism Level : 450 Duration : 120m
Conserve Level : 550 Duration : 120m

 

Since quest finder/hunter are already strong for castable buffs, potions for them don't really seem needed. Remove Potion of the Quester from the list and add Find Item(level1250) to Rampage Potion and priced at 2000AT.

 

Should keep the prices for all potions high. I believe people forgot that loyalty shop is a bonus for buying FSP+Chest. Why should the cost be low?



#10 EpicPiety

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Posted 11 October 2021 - 15:30

Interesting, considering that these changes come from Player Feedback and, as stated in my opening post, the only thing to have really gone down is the loyalty token cost.

 

~ Grim

I believe he is saying that they are a tad bit too low now. That is how i interpreted it, which i agree with on some pots.


Since quest finder/hunter are already strong for castable buffs, potions for them don't really seem needed. Remove Potion of the Quester from the list and add Find Item(level1250) to Rampage Potion and priced at 2000AT.

 

Should keep the prices for all potions high. I believe people forgot that loyalty shop is a bonus for buying FSP+Chest. Why should the cost be low?

Daily Questers should beable to reasonably use it on occasion as well. 



#11 Windbattle

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Posted 11 October 2021 - 15:38

Id prefer to see EA 300 and KE 250 instead of EA 200 / KE 200. I also like the idea of adding FI 1250 to Rampage potion. That potion will probably be the most bought potion, followed by DB 3000 / 5000, followed up Divine Knowledge potion. 

 

However, if we increased Conserve from 550 to 650 and added FI 1250 per EpicPiety's suggestion, then the cost should increase to 1250 probably not go down to 750. 


Edited by Windbattle, 11 October 2021 - 15:45.


#12 BigGrim

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Posted 11 October 2021 - 15:38

I believe he is saying that they are a tad bit too low now. 

That's not what was said. Furthermore, if it's about things like "Warriors Elixir" not all of these NEED to be super high. At the new (much) lower cost, it's much more helpful to low level players.

 

All the feedback was reviewed and some requests buff levels were far, far too high. Thus they were not used.

 

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#13 EpicPiety

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Posted 11 October 2021 - 15:42

That's not what was said. Furthermore, if it's about things like "Warriors Elixir" not all of these NEED to be super high. At the new (much) lower cost, it's much more helpful to low level players.

 

All the feedback was reviewed and some requests buff levels were far, far too high. Thus they were not used.

 

~ Grim

I agree initially it was far too high, however you have to consider those at all stages of the game. It's nice for new/mid game players to have a few things, but it would be nice if long time players at the endgame can also enjoy. As suggested in the OP there are many people that will use almost nothing aside from doubler which is just QOL.

 

That's my 2 cent's appreciate the open dialogue. 

 


Edited by EpicPiety, 11 October 2021 - 15:42.


#14 Alisa

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Posted 11 October 2021 - 15:43

When the update to the loyalty section was first announced, there was a lot of excitement about some of the potential potions that would be added in the update. Now the potions have been whittled down so far that there is no longer any incentive to use loyalty tokens once again. Almost all of the buffs listed here are available elsewhere with better levels for cheaper costs.

Got to disagree.

 

Rather use the proposed potions than pop an Epic Chest to complete a simple task for Daily quest, Global Events or hunting down SE. Why should I pop an epic chest thats worth 80-120fsp for AM/Con when I could use Rampage potion to complete my tasks? These potions can be used in many ways and the Epic Chest potions some people would rather save them for PVP or Levelling.

 

More potions could be added in the future. At least we are getting something rather than nothing.



#15 BigGrim

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Posted 11 October 2021 - 15:45

It would be nice if long time players at the endgame can also enjoy.

Which is why we've had this feedback threads. This has all been through feedback.

 

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#16 EpicPiety

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Posted 11 October 2021 - 15:49

Got to disagree.

 

Rather use the proposed potions than pop an Epic Chest to complete a simple task for Daily quest, Global Events or hunting down SE. Why should I pop an epic chest thats worth 80-120fsp for AM/Con when I could use Rampage potion to complete my tasks? These potions can be used in many ways and the Epic Chest potions some people would rather save them for PVP or Levelling.

 

More potions could be added in the future. At least we are getting something rather than nothing.

Ladder chest Alisa, why would you pop an epic chest when you can use that for AM



#17 Alisa

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Posted 11 October 2021 - 15:52

As suggested in the OP there are many people that will use almost nothing aside from doubler which is just QOL.

 

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telling me no one uses these and when doubler comes out no one would still not use them? I been using these for tasks almost always(if the task seems worth it). at this point i will accept any change.



#18 EpicPiety

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Posted 11 October 2021 - 15:53

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telling me no one uses these and when doubler comes out no one would still not use them? I been using these for tasks almost always(if the task seems worth it). at this point i will accept any change.

Not speaking about those, they are existing. Also never use UB, because resilience pot exists. I use alot of LF composing aswell, however if i'm doing an SE run then definitely LF loyalty. 


Edited by EpicPiety, 11 October 2021 - 15:56.


#19 Alisa

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Posted 11 October 2021 - 15:55

Ladder chest Alisa, why would you pop an epic chest when you can use that for AM

not everyone plays the ladder... also im broke :(

 

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Not speaking about those, they are existing. Also never use UB, because resilience pot exists. I use alot of LF composing aswell. 

im cheap to spend 2-3fsp

 


Edited by Alisa, 11 October 2021 - 15:56.


#20 Roach

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Posted 11 October 2021 - 16:33

will the loyalty pots existing be staying? - for example lightfoot? - should i stock up on these now?




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