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[Ouiounon]

Just for the record, I don't think that certain potion buffs should be specific to parts of the game.

 

However, if you're going to add more powerful potions which are available to everyone for essentially just logging in over time and doing a few easy DQs, you're really going to discourage people from trying out different parts of the game.

 

If you start adding in level 600+ leveling pots you're going to discourage people from donating to get the free epics chests. Yes it's true not everyone can donate, but if everyone had access to the same things anyway then why would anyone donate at all? 400 fsps doesn't get you a lot upgrade wise so these epic pots are always an incentive.

 

I think it would be a good idea to still offer these buffs as loyalty potions, just change the levels so that they don't outclass potions earned from other parts of the game. For example, make the Brewing Master pot level 250. Level 500 for 500 tokens is crazy, you'll have people with thousands of tokens never wanting to use anything less than level 500 again.

 

I'm really struggling why some people are so keen to get easy access to these mega powerful pots? Sure, we'd all love to be using uber pots all the time but if everyone is using them then how do HCS go about offering new potions in the future? Make them more powerful yet again?

 

It's a game. It's a competitive game. Literally the entire game and the majority of its aspects are rooted in competition. Earn your medals, climb the top ranked boards, win your pvp ladder, win your pvp arena, capture that other guild's relic. Adding crazy pots which take the incentive from participating in other parts of the game is just silly. It's a recipe for disaster. 

 

Again, not saying we shouldn't add these buffs but PLEASE just make them a bit more reasonable so as to not make other rewards from other parts of the game obsolete.

[Helo]

I would love for y'all to introduce the new the New Adept Learner 1000, Conserve 1000 and Librarian 900 to the next fsps sale event. I would most definitely buy a couple

[shindrak]

I would argue that anyone who bought that much stam did so knowing burning it would take forever. Bed made (me included, although stopped deliberately at 100k). So that is my argument against the doubler. The brew master just affects way too many things for it to be viable. With the modest tokens I have I will only be buying BM and Doubler, and I am arguing against them.

Bro I agree with you on things and disagree on some... I know Doubler buff is the most desired for high stamina players but at same time it doesn't hurt other players who can't afford it to work for monthly medal or top 100 medal  like high level AL , LIB and conserve ...

 

your argument about leveling on elite doesn't make sense because the elite spawn every 15 min  and leveling on it will take lots of time (maybe make doubler 5000 have lower duration to change your concern? and thats another reason why BM500 is bad) 

 

My other side of view on doubler 5000 it could help low level players with low stamina banks to level faster if they hunt a few low level elites  that spawn rate more than higher level ones  .(of course they need the right setup and buffs  to kill them easily )

which is great thing for the game !

Edited by shindrak, 15 September 2021 - 09:12.

[Bujon]

Bro I agree with you on things and disagree on some... I know Doubler buff is the most desired for high stamina players but at same time it doesn't hurt other players who can't afford it to work for monthly medal or top 100 medal  like high level AL , LIB and conserve ...

 

I just see no point to it.  Level 2000 is already ample. Anymore is just lazy.

 

your argument about leveling on elite doesn't make sense because the elite spawn every 15 min  and leveling on it will take lots of time (maybe make doubler 5000 have lower duration to change your concern? and thats another reason why BM500 is bad) 

 

Not true, every elite I have hunted respawns within no real time if I refresh my screen after killing, I have actually had occasions where the elite as been caught in AM respawn and I haven't moved from that spot for 5 levels (okay that could of been a glitch in the game). 

 

I concede the benefits of hunting on elites with AS1150 and Doubler 5750 maybe outweighed by the time it takes to hunt them, but players will figure out best methods for themselves I guess.

 

My other side of view on doubler 5000 it could help low level players with low stamina banks to level faster if they hunt a few low level elites  that spawn rate more than higher level ones  .(of course they need the right setup and buffs  to kill them easily )

which is great thing for the game !

 

Not following this one.  If you have low level stam then your hunt is going to be over mighty quick with 5750 doubler. Isn't hunting about hunting, not just maximum levelling with minimal effort?  That is like paying to go on a sea fishing expedition and as soon as you board the boat you just drop a mine in the water and BOOOOOM, job done. :-)

Edited by Bujon, 15 September 2021 - 09:25.

[shindrak]

 

Bro I agree with you on things and disagree on some... I know Doubler buff is the most desired for high stamina players but at same time it doesn't hurt other players who can't afford it to work for monthly medal or top 100 medal  like high level AL , LIB and conserve ...

 

I just see no point to it.  Level 2000 is already ample. Anymore is just lazy.

It is player's choice you can't decide if doubler 2000 is enough since it will not affect other player's game .

 

your argument about leveling on elite doesn't make sense because the elite spawn every 15 min  and leveling on it will take lots of time (maybe make doubler 5000 have lower duration to change your concern? and thats another reason why BM500 is bad) 

 

Not true, every elite I have hunted respawns within no real time if I refresh my screen after killing, I have actually had occasions where the elite as been caught in AM respawn and I haven't moved from that spot for 5 levels (okay that could of been a glitch in the game). 

 

I concede the benefits of hunting on elites with AS1150 and Doubler 5750 maybe outweighed by the time it takes to hunt them, but players will figure out best methods for themselves I guess.

it is 2 spawns every 15 mins  you can test like you did on AS1000 and you were wrong

 

My other side of view on doubler 5000 it could help low level players with low stamina banks to level faster if they hunt a few low level elites  that spawn rate more than higher level ones  .(of course they need the right setup and buffs  to kill them easily )

which is great thing for the game !

 

Not following this one.  If you have low level stam then your hunt is going to be over mighty quick with 5750 doubler. Isn't hunting about hunting, not just maximum levelling with minimal effort?  That is like paying to go on a sea fishing expedition and as soon as you board the boat you just drop a mine in the water and BOOOOOM, job done. :-)

It is a player's choice ,  you can keep using doubler 1000 and enjoy leveling.

 

[Bujon]

 

 

Bro I agree with you on things and disagree on some... I know Doubler buff is the most desired for high stamina players but at same time it doesn't hurt other players who can't afford it to work for monthly medal or top 100 medal  like high level AL , LIB and conserve ...

 

I just see no point to it.  Level 2000 is already ample. Anymore is just lazy.

It is player's choice you can't decide if doubler 2000 is enough since it will not affect other player's game .

I agree its a choice and I will use 5000 and be lazy :-)  doesn't mean its right

 

your argument about leveling on elite doesn't make sense because the elite spawn every 15 min  and leveling on it will take lots of time (maybe make doubler 5000 have lower duration to change your concern? and thats another reason why BM500 is bad) 

 

Not true, every elite I have hunted respawns within no real time if I refresh my screen after killing, I have actually had occasions where the elite as been caught in AM respawn and I haven't moved from that spot for 5 levels (okay that could of been a glitch in the game). 

 

I concede the benefits of hunting on elites with AS1150 and Doubler 5750 maybe outweighed by the time it takes to hunt them, but players will figure out best methods for themselves I guess.

it is 2 spawns every 15 mins  you can test like you did on AS1000 and you were wrong  

Don't need to test this one    also would be happy with AS1150 so long as the last level Elite in the game is nowhere near the last content level.

 

 

Farillion Corallian Overlord (Elite) level 4775 I have just defeated three times in a row all at less than a 30 second intervals :-)

 

My other side of view on doubler 5000 it could help low level players with low stamina banks to level faster if they hunt a few low level elites  that spawn rate more than higher level ones  .(of course they need the right setup and buffs  to kill them easily )

which is great thing for the game !

 

Not following this one.  If you have low level stam then your hunt is going to be over mighty quick with 5750 doubler. Isn't hunting about hunting, not just maximum levelling with minimal effort?  That is like paying to go on a sea fishing expedition and as soon as you board the boat you just drop a mine in the water and BOOOOOM, job done. :-)

It is a player's choice ,  you can keep using doubler 1000 and enjoy leveling.

False argument, a low level player using doubler 5750?? seriously. Let's just be honest and say it is aimed at those with huge stam banks being able to spend less time hunting/grinding, especially so when pushing on past EOC.

 

 

 

I can completely run with the massive doublers, as I will use them, I am just saying it is lazy and the game 'IMO' would be better served with alternative skills/pots from the tokens.  It is probably the same single minded view that puts brew master 500 in the same frame, I have just been trying to prod to see what the motivation behind the chosen proposals is.

 

 

Edited by Bujon, 15 September 2021 - 10:36.

[PointyHair]

The first 5 pages were of people arguing against it. There was practically no one arguing FOR it. Frankly, it made sense.
 
~ Grim

 
I take exception to this, it shows a clear bias in my opinion.

This is a tally of published opinions up to that point:


Bearing in mind that this is the internet, malcontents and luddites are quick to spew
their venom. My hypothesis was that the naysayers were just posting more frequently,
let's have a look at the top 10:


It looks to me like the people against the proposed changes are making much more noise
than the happy people. A result that should shock absolutely no one. It happens every time
and good changes get watered down to placate vested interests.

[Artzik]

if idea is good in my mind. I support it, if its bad I am against it, and try make it better, simple as that

Edited by Artzik, 15 September 2021 - 10:29.

[BigGrim]

I was happy when I saw token rewards to finally use my tokens but these potions are bad.

You're commenting on old data. See the updated post I made yesterday: 

 

https://forums.hunte...77504&p=1005205

 

For everyone else, discuss the potions please. Keep the thread on topic.

 

~ Grim

[shindrak]

 
I take exception to this, it shows a clear bias in my opinion.

This is a tally of published opinions up to that point:


Bearing in mind that this is the internet, malcontents and luddites are quick to spew
their venom. My hypothesis was that the naysayers were just posting more frequently,
let's have a look at the top 10:


It looks to me like the people against the proposed changes are making much more noise
than the happy people. A result that should shock absolutely no one. It happens every time
and good changes get watered down to placate vested interests.

 Dear Pointy most of my posts are explanation to my first post which is against 2 pots AL1000 ,LIB900  and BM500, distil250 

and you didnt mention all names were against   most of players were against specific pots not all. 

 

but i'm surprised how come some players agree on all pots with no exceptions /explanation. 

Edited by shindrak, 15 September 2021 - 10:39.

[suderlon]

you gain tokens by donating real money and mainly by being loyal player.  

wrong, you gain tokens by doing daily quests too, last week I had one for 575 tokens.
and moreover they are bound.

your point? it does not matter because overpowered is overpowered
they should be a bit more than chests that are gained by simple donations..

wrong again and you are calling these epic chests gained by simple donations? simple? $60 per donation offer is not simple.

epic chests are more valueable because

1) epic chests are only once per month (special offer)

2) when you donate without a special offer you do not get epic chest.

3) when you donate without a special offer you get fsps and tokens worth many epic token potions.

4) when you donate with a special offer you get 1-2 epic chests, fsps and double - triple tokens.

5) when you donate with a special offer you get 1-2 epic chests and many tokens worth many epic token potions.

6) every donator knows that special offer you get 1-2 epic chests and with the double - triple tokens you can buy over 10 epic token potions.

7) special offer epic chest you can only get from donating (paying money) and you only get 1-2 per $60 offer

8) epic token potions you can get from daily login, daily quests and donating from special offer or no special offer and with the tokens you can get a lot more than just 1-2.

9) all donators know these and if you still do not understand, here is simple one: with $60 you can buy 2 from item A and with $60 you can buy 10 from item B, this means item A (special offer epic chests) has more value than item B (token potions)
u have to donate AND be loyal to have access to something more.
wrong again, you talk about token potions and you do not ned to donate to get them, you get little tokens with daily login and many tokens with daily quests, I will not explain long what everyone knows, here is a screen shot of mine

[BadPenny]

 Dear Pointy most of my posts are explaining to my first post which is against 2 pots AL1000 ,LIB900  and BM500, distil250 

and you didnt mention all names were against   most of players were against specific pots not all. 

 

but i'm surprised how come some players agree on all pots with no exceptions /explanation. 

BG dialed AL and LIb back yesterday, removed distil entirely...
all that's left to debate is BM, and IMHO, some kind of compromise should be reached on that....

As for my opinions, I like the fact that there will be something new, and I look forward to having new options and  choices.  I only hope that ALL feedback will be taken into consideration.... it would be grossly unfair if the opinions of the few outweighed what's best for the many.
 

[Bujon]

 
I take exception to this, it shows a clear bias in my opinion.

This is a tally of published opinions up to that point:


Bearing in mind that this is the internet, malcontents and luddites are quick to spew
their venom. My hypothesis was that the naysayers were just posting more frequently,
let's have a look at the top 10:


It looks to me like the people against the proposed changes are making much more noise
than the happy people. A result that should shock absolutely no one. It happens every time
and good changes get watered down to placate vested interests.

 

I am happy to just have  tally of 1 against my name thanks, despite my 'noise' :-)  The simple fact is there are a few suggestions in the proposals that have sparked a discussion as to the pros cons, but surely that is a good thing?? 

 

I have been pretty consistent , I am FOR tweaking the loyalty and some of the pots seem fine and dandy (even doubler 5000!! if people really want it). I am just AGAINST a select few of them.  Given the OP suggested a bulk package of changes isn't that also a reasonable standpoint.  BM500 (BAD) DISTIL250 (BAD),  AL/LIB/CON/DOUBLER I don't really care in grand scheme of things, just not sure of the Motiviation on that aspect.

[suderlon]

You're commenting on old data. See the updated post I made yesterday: 

 

https://forums.hunte...77504&p=1005205

 

For everyone else, discuss the potions please. Keep the thread on topic.

 

~ Grim

not all read every post from the 11 pages, the op post is the one we read

 

please update op or make a new topic

[BigGrim]

Guys. Stay on topic. Potions. Not "Who posted what."
 
~ Grim

[BigGrim]

not all read every post from the 11 pages, the op post is the one we read please update op or make a new topic

The up to date news post lists the up to date suggestions.

 

~ Grim

[Bujon]

Happy with all suggestions except Distil250 (gone) and BM500:-  (have my doubts on AS1000 doubler 3000/5000 and the relatively high AL/LIB/CONSERVE, but happy to run with it).

Edited by BigGrim, 15 September 2021 - 10:59.

[PointyHair]

 Dear Pointy most of my posts are explanation to my first post which is against 2 pots AL1000 ,LIB900  and BM500, distil250 

and you didnt mention all names were against   most of players were against specific pots not all. 

 

but i'm surprised how come some players agree on all pots with no exceptions /explanation. 

 

Fair comment. I should have explicitly mentioned that I was focused on the contentious pots.

[Maehdros]

Too late to suggest a new buff tossed in there somewhere as well? New potion buff I mean. A * loyalty token only *

If not, maybe whenever new stuff comes in the future it can be considered.


Cheers!



~Maeh

[BigGrim]

Too late to suggest a new buff tossed in there somewhere as well? New potion buff I mean. A * loyalty token only *

Not at the moment as that requires coding. This is a big ol' update that does not require coding.

 

~ Grim