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[Devilo]

Gold Sink Ideas:

  Ghost Offers in FSP Market

      1: Offers will not be over higher player price, but will max out at 200,000 with a minimum of 150,000.

      2: Gold used in the transaction will be sunk instead of funneled around.

      3: There will only be a few "Ghost Offers" at any given moment. (2-4 offers)

      4: New "Ghost Offers" will replace purchased ones with a randomly determined amount of gold.

 

Buff Ideas:

  Revenge Tactics (PvP Buff)

      1: If you initiate an attack against a player who has defeated you in battle, all your stats will receive a small boost for the battle. (0.05% per point)

      2: If you are victorious, you receive 50% more prestige from the battle.

      3: If you are not victorious, you have a 0.2% per point chance to damage the opponents gear by 25%. (Crystalline gear remains unaffected)

  Honed Reflexes (Buff)

      1: 0.3% per point decrease to stamina usage amount on Counter Attack.

  Enemy of My Enemy (Buff)

      1: 0.05% per point chance of one of your enemies assisting in combat vs. creatures.

      2: Enemy up to 25 levels above your level. (+1 level per point)

      3: Enemy is randomly selected and adds 50% of their attack, defense, damage, armor and health.

      4: Does not take affect if Assist activated during the same turn.

  Kamikaze (Buff)

      1: 0.1% chance that upon your defeat vs. creature, you will instead end battle in a draw.

      2: You will not lose experience or gold, but kill streak will still be reset.

      3: Conserve can not activate during the same battle.

      4: Creature will not remain after battle.

 

What you guys think? Anything sound good?

Edited by Devilo, 11 January 2015 - 03:54.

[peterzhou]

The gold sink idea is nice, but a constant range would be detrimental for intentional gold sinks like the caves. I think the buff ideas are very original as well. I like the names, too...perhaps post them in the skills/enhancement thread? 

[BadPenny]

Turtles are smart

[rowbeth]

Gold Sink Ideas:

  Ghost Offers in FSP Market

      1: Offers will not be over higher player price, but will max out at 200,000 with a minimum of 150,000.

      2: Gold used in the transaction will be sunk instead of funneled around.

      3: There will only be a few "Ghost Offers" at any given moment. (2-4 offers)

      4: New "Ghost Offers" will replace purchased ones with a randomly determined amount of gold.

 

I'm not sure I understand what you are suggesting here. It sounds as though you are suggesting that a percentage of FSP market transactions go bad, and gold is simply lost. If so, then I'd have to say that was a very bad idea. If the percentage of ghosts was small, then: for the rich players this would simply change the price of FSP, but for the poor players it would be a major hit and I suspect would have a major detrimental effect on their enjoyment of this game (especially if it happened while just starting to play). If the percentage of ghosts got reasonably large, then it would undermine the FSP economy, and you need to remember that FSPs are the real money that keeps HCS going.

[cyrus7]

I'm not sure I understand what you are suggesting here. It sounds as though you are suggesting that a percentage of FSP market transactions go bad, and gold is simply lost. If so, then I'd have to say that was a very bad idea.

The way I understand it is that a "ghost" offer (as he named it) is basically an offer placed by the game (much like the Specials section of the Auction House). That's why the gold disappears when the FSP is purchased, because it's not a player-created offer. Basically just the game offering a few FSPs for sale here and there, as a way to make the gold go away instead of simply changing hands from player to player.

[yghorbeviahn]

The way I understand it is that a "ghost" offer (as he named it) is basically an offer placed by the game (much like the Specials section of the Auction House). That's why the gold disappears when the FSP is purchased, because it's not a player-created offer. Basically just the game offering a few FSPs for sale here and there, as a way to make the gold go away instead of simply changing hands from player to player.

Same way as I see, but the only way to it is if the Offer looks exactly like a normal Marketplace offer, so players will not notice the difference between a normal offer and a ghost offer.

[Subject]

Heres an Idea For FS ... Do something to Make Epics " epic " again ... Sad that you can buy an epic for 15 fsps... Retire some of the epics make there value go up again...

[BadPenny]

Heres an Idea For FS ... Do something to Make Epics " epic " again ... Sad that you can buy an epic for 15 fsps... Retire some of the epics make there value go up again...

 

You're beating a dead horse, Sweetheart.... Make SE gear "Super" again, too.  I'm afraid to do this, we have to make the former even more difficult to obtain, and the latter, well, that plus reworking all the stats so they will be valuable for SOMETHING....  PLUS overall player mindset must change.  We have for the most part developed a sense of entitlement as far as epics go... EVERYBODY has a WW, a Guardian weapon, and their Skally's.  Bigger guilds with regular Titan hunters have several of each for the entire guild.  So how do we make such items more precious?  Make them harder to come by, plain and simple.  OK, idk how to do that, I don't have the answers.  I merely have this nagging question (ok, it's not original, you were thinking it, too) ..... 

[Subject]

You're beating a dead horse, Sweetheart.... Make SE gear "Super" again, too.  I'm afraid to do this, we have to make the former even more difficult to obtain, and the latter, well, that plus reworking all the stats so they will be valuable for SOMETHING....  PLUS overall player mindset must change.  We have for the most part developed a sense of entitlement as far as epics go... EVERYBODY has a WW, a Guardian weapon, and their Skally's.  Bigger guilds with regular Titan hunters have several of each for the entire guild.  So how do we make such items more precious?  Make them harder to come by, plain and simple.  OK, idk how to do that, I don't have the answers.  I merely have this nagging question (ok, it's not original, you were thinking it, too) ..... 

Simply removing some of the older epics and or titans would then make the Epic item go up in price simply by them become a Non Existing item in FS anymore... Yeah may be playing the same song by bringing this up as i know it has been many times.. But honest we are talking about " Epic " items not SE or Legendary.. Ghese items are suppose to be hard to obtain and worth some fsps to buy... Honestly having a good setup FF'd is more expensive than owning an Epic set

[yotwehc]

You're beating a dead horse, Sweetheart.... Make SE gear "Super" again, too. I'm afraid to do this, we have to make the former even more difficult to obtain, and the latter, well, that plus reworking all the stats so they will be valuable for SOMETHING.... PLUS overall player mindset must change. We have for the most part developed a sense of entitlement as far as epics go... EVERYBODY has a WW, a Guardian weapon, and their Skally's. Bigger guilds with regular Titan hunters have several of each for the entire guild. So how do we make such items more precious? Make them harder to come by, plain and simple. OK, idk how to do that, I don't have the answers. I merely have this nagging question (ok, it's not original, you were thinking it, too) .....

How about grow the player base? That would solve a lot of issues except for the lag. Crossover from other games hasn't really worked. I know there are a lot of young players but for an online game, FS seems to have a lot of older loyal players? Time to promote to that demographic as well?

[rowbeth]

The way I understand it is that a "ghost" offer (as he named it) is basically an offer placed by the game (much like the Specials section of the Auction House). That's why the gold disappears when the FSP is purchased, because it's not a player-created offer. Basically just the game offering a few FSPs for sale here and there, as a way to make the gold go away instead of simply changing hands from player to player.

 

OK - different from my interpretation (where "ghost" meant "insubstantial and unreal".  But with your interpretation this is just a way to create new FSP in game using gold. That will stuff up the flow of real money into the game, so I doubt that it will fly. (Currently, every FSP in the game is there only because someone paid real money to HCS).

[BadPenny]

OK - different from my interpretation (where "ghost" meant "insubstantial and unreal".  But with your interpretation this is just a way to create new FSP in game using gold. That will stuff up the flow of real money into the game, so I doubt that it will fly. (Currently, every FSP in the game is there only because someone paid real money to HCS).

Not so.  I gain as almost many dots from shard vids as the ones I buy every month...  an average of 300 or so a month if I am diligent and do the vids every day.  And I'm not even the shard master.  No telling how many he gets..... I'm dead sure we aren't the only two who do this......   Yeah, you're going to say Supersonic buys them for us, but they are flowing into the game as free currency for us, and I circulate them just as freely as the ones I buy.  

[yotwehc]

Not so. I gain as almost many dots from shard vids as the ones I buy every month... an average of 300 or so a month if I am diligent and do the vids every day. And I'm not even the shard master. No telling how many he gets..... I'm dead sure we aren't the only two who do this...... Yeah, you're going to say Supersonic buys them for us, but they are flowing into the game as free currency for us, and I circulate them just as freely as the ones I buy.

I think rowbeths statement is still true. Someone paid. Be it the ad sponsor or player, real money was the source.

[Pardoux]

There's also the free 20 / day from the temple blessings, if we're wanting to be pedantic

[yotwehc]

There's also the free 20 / day from the temple blessings, if we're wanting to be pedantic

Doh! Forgot about that one. And there was that one GE event where dots were awarded as well. So I guess not all were paid for.

[rowbeth]

Not so.  I gain as almost many dots from shard vids as the ones I buy every month...  an average of 300 or so a month if I am diligent and do the vids every day.  And I'm not even the shard master.  No telling how many he gets..... I'm dead sure we aren't the only two who do this......   Yeah, you're going to say Supersonic buys them for us, but they are flowing into the game as free currency for us, and I circulate them just as freely as the ones I buy.  

As you and Yowtwehc says, the "free" offers are still real money going to HCS.

 

If you recall, the reason why we now get shards for these offers, rather than the FSPs we used to get, is to ensure that the monetary value of FSPs to HCS is maintained.

 

And to Pardoux's (completely correct) pedantry, I'd note that if $4 per day (you buy 25 FSP for $5) were significant compared with their overall income, then FS would be in serious financial difficulty. I guess you could argue that this actually gives an idea of the scale of FSP giveaway HCS has shown itself willing to consider, but at this level it would be a very small gold sink.

Edited by rowbeth, 13 January 2015 - 06:57.

[bloody18]

Heres an Idea For FS ... Do something to Make Epics " epic " again ... Sad that you can buy an epic for 15 fsps... Retire some of the epics make there value go up again...

On the other end of sadness is an epic for sale for 2000FSP( or approx $300 US dollars)  ..lets get rid of those while we are at it.

 

 

HERE IS MY EPIC ALL IN ONE TOILET PAPER DISPENSER!

Only one of them in the world...  It also costs $300 (or 2000FSP). 

How much is it worth to me ....$0! 

Supply and demand works.. leave the markets alone..  and that is all ..=)

[Pardoux]

On the other end of sadness is an epic for sale for 2000FSP( or approx $300 US dollars)  ..lets get rid of those while we are at it.

 

 

HERE IS MY EPIC ALL IN ONE TOILET PAPER DISPENSER!

Only one of them in the world...  It also costs $300 (or 2000FSP). 

How much is it worth to me ....$0! 

Supply and demand works.. leave the markets alone..  and that is all ..=)

 

 

Those boots are only worth 2K fsp if someone is silly enough to pay that for them

[yghorbeviahn]

Those boots are only worth 2K fsp if someone is silly enough to pay that for them

I'll not say silly, because there is not much things you can do with FSPs after you have 100K+ max stamina, huge BP and everything else...But it's very expensive indeed.

[Davros81]

They are very expensive because only a select few can hunt them, they are the only boots to provide +6 stamina gain and they are being hoarded by those with the means to purchase them to keep the price high.