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#1 iceman66

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Posted 02 October 2019 - 21:53

I think we could all benefit from some sort of development map.  The updates to FS are so few and far between, that it's starting to feel like our beloved FS is being abandoned.  I think the community (sorry if I'm speaking for everyone) deserves to know what the plans are.

 

1. Who are the coders? Who even works on FS anymore?

 

2. How often is the game updated?

 

3.  Is there an update schedule that is followed?

 

In the past, Hoof let us see what was happening in terms of development and it was awesome.  I hope it's not too much to ask that we see that side again.



#2 Pardoux

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Posted 02 October 2019 - 22:16

I think there's more chance of winning lotto than getting a proper response to those questions ...


Homer : Marge, don't discourage the boy. Weaseling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals .. except the weasel.

 

Eddie Izzard : The National Rifle Association say that guns don't kill people, people do. But I think the gun helps, you know ? I think it helps. I think just standing there going "BANG" - that's not going to kill too many people, is it ?

 

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Posted 02 October 2019 - 22:23

Starting to feel abandoned is generous. Simple fixes go and have gone unnoticed for weeks.

We the players have been grasping as straws and quite honestly it's been years coming. Thread will be closed in the morning with a one liner from Grim.

All I can say is... Speak with your wallets. If the cash flow doesn't dry or diminish, they won't (don't) see a need to change anything

It's harder to wake up every day than it is to "hunt" in this game.


#4 iceman66

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Posted 02 October 2019 - 22:38

Starting to feel abandoned is generous. Simple fixes go and have gone unnoticed for weeks.

We the players have been grasping as straws and quite honestly it's been years coming. Thread will be closed in the morning with a one liner from Grim.

All I can say is... Speak with your wallets. If the cash flow doesn't dry or diminish, they won't (don't) see a need to change anything

 

Why support HCS when the support from HCS for FS has basically stopped? It's hard...but I digress.  I still think it'd be a nice gesture for some clarity.



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Posted 02 October 2019 - 23:40

1. Who are the coders? Who even works on FS anymore?

 

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#6 iceman66

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Posted 02 October 2019 - 23:59

 

1. Who are the coders? Who even works on FS anymore?

 

Prop , Pointyhair

 

 

I meant the coders that get paid to code :P



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Posted 03 October 2019 - 00:19

The conversation below is part of a conversation just had with Hoof - and, as you can see, posted with his consent..

 

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(Edit - there are 3 programmers working on the game, but the impression I got was that they were all totally focussed on the app, nothing more)


Edited by Pardoux, 03 October 2019 - 00:42.

Homer : Marge, don't discourage the boy. Weaseling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals .. except the weasel.

 

Eddie Izzard : The National Rifle Association say that guns don't kill people, people do. But I think the gun helps, you know ? I think it helps. I think just standing there going "BANG" - that's not going to kill too many people, is it ?

 

I don't mean to sound pessimistic, but it seems that everything I eat lately turns to poo ...


#8 iceman66

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Posted 03 October 2019 - 18:59

The conversation below is part of a conversation just had with Hoof - and, as you can see, posted with his consent..

 

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(Edit - there are 3 programmers working on the game, but the impression I got was that they were all totally focussed on the app, nothing more)

 

Thank you for the reply :)  At Least there is a way to contact Hoof.



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Posted 04 October 2019 - 18:14

I think we could all benefit from some sort of development map.  The updates to FS are so few and far between, that it's starting to feel like our beloved FS is being abandoned.  I think the community (sorry if I'm speaking for everyone) deserves to know what the plans are.

 

1. Who are the coders? Who even works on FS anymore?

 

2. How often is the game updated?

 

3.  Is there an update schedule that is followed?

 

In the past, Hoof let us see what was happening in terms of development and it was awesome.  I hope it's not too much to ask that we see that side again.

 

So, to answer your questions as best I can:
 
1. Fallen Sword technically has four coders, two of which are dedicated to the development of the app (JustConix & Kamikazer). Hoofmaster and Moltenkore work on multiple projects (and are kept very busy as a result). Hoof is almost always making behind-the-scenes tweaks, most of which lately have been to facilitate functions of the app.
BigGrim works support, and handles content generation/admin whilst a variety of artists (myself among them) contribute to making things look shiny.
 
2. The game is updated as often as possible, which is not to say that it is updated as often as we would like.Getting Fallen Sword to cooperate with the App has not been a smooth ride but we're making good progress. Unfortunately that progress has also lead to the game misbehaving in ways we couldn't anticipate, and it's easy to break stuff, not quite so much to fix it afterwards.
 
3. We're using a Trello Board to plot our roadmap but it's focusing on the App development at present. Once the app is up, running and polished, our efforts can return to Fallen Sword in general.
We're focusing on the app at the moment, as Hoof has mentioned, but the app is nothing without Fallen Sword so rest assured it's not abandoned. You've all been wonderfully patient with us, we really appreciate it, and we understand your concerns! With a little luck this helps ease some of them, but we're unable to provide a roadmap simply because our objectives shift so frequently. We like to think this helps us keep up with what's most in-demand!
 
Kind regards,
The FS Team


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Posted 04 October 2019 - 19:03

 

So, to answer your questions as best I can:
 
1. Fallen Sword technically has four coders, two of which are dedicated to the development of the app (JustConix & Kamikazer). Hoofmaster and Moltenkore work on multiple projects (and are kept very busy as a result). Hoof is almost always making behind-the-scenes tweaks, most of which lately have been to facilitate functions of the app.
BigGrim works support, and handles content generation/admin whilst a variety of artists (myself among them) contribute to making things look shiny.
 
2. The game is updated as often as possible, which is not to say that it is updated as often as we would like.Getting Fallen Sword to cooperate with the App has not been a smooth ride but we're making good progress. Unfortunately that progress has also lead to the game misbehaving in ways we couldn't anticipate, and it's easy to break stuff, not quite so much to fix it afterwards.
 
3. We're using a Trello Board to plot our roadmap but it's focusing on the App development at present. Once the app is up, running and polished, our efforts can return to Fallen Sword in general.
We're focusing on the app at the moment, as Hoof has mentioned, but the app is nothing without Fallen Sword so rest assured it's not abandoned. You've all been wonderfully patient with us, we really appreciate it, and we understand your concerns! With a little luck this helps ease some of them, but we're unable to provide a roadmap simply because our objectives shift so frequently. We like to think this helps us keep up with what's most in-demand!
 
Kind regards,
The FS Team

 

 

Thank you!  I really do appriciate the response.  It might be a good idea to do regular updates like this to keep us in the know, but I also understand time constraints.



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Posted 14 October 2019 - 23:38

3. We're using a Trello Board to plot our roadmap but it's focusing on the App development at present. Once the app is up, running and polished, our efforts can return to Fallen Sword in general.
We're focusing on the app at the moment, as Hoof has mentioned, but the app is nothing without Fallen Sword so rest assured it's not abandoned. You've all been wonderfully patient with us, we really appreciate it, and we understand your concerns! With a little luck this helps ease some of them, but we're unable to provide a roadmap simply because our objectives shift so frequently. We like to think this helps us keep up with what's most in-demand!
 
Kind regards,
The FS Team

 
Totally love the message.
 
Please remember in this quest: 
 
"Unfortunately that progress has also lead to the game misbehaving in ways we couldn't anticipate, and it's easy to break stuff, not quite so much to fix it afterwards.[/size]"
 
This weekend was a clear example of the need to break that stuff when somebody is around to fix it. Please do those tweeks during your work week. 
 
Thanks.

Done being treated as a slave by those only out for money.

 

 


#12 iceman66

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Posted 17 June 2020 - 01:10

 

 

So, to answer your questions as best I can:
 
1. Fallen Sword technically has four coders, two of which are dedicated to the development of the app (JustConix & Kamikazer). Hoofmaster and Moltenkore work on multiple projects (and are kept very busy as a result). Hoof is almost always making behind-the-scenes tweaks, most of which lately have been to facilitate functions of the app.
BigGrim works support, and handles content generation/admin whilst a variety of artists (myself among them) contribute to making things look shiny.
 
2. The game is updated as often as possible, which is not to say that it is updated as often as we would like.Getting Fallen Sword to cooperate with the App has not been a smooth ride but we're making good progress. Unfortunately that progress has also lead to the game misbehaving in ways we couldn't anticipate, and it's easy to break stuff, not quite so much to fix it afterwards.
 
3. We're using a Trello Board to plot our roadmap but it's focusing on the App development at present. Once the app is up, running and polished, our efforts can return to Fallen Sword in general.
We're focusing on the app at the moment, as Hoof has mentioned, but the app is nothing without Fallen Sword so rest assured it's not abandoned. You've all been wonderfully patient with us, we really appreciate it, and we understand your concerns! With a little luck this helps ease some of them, but we're unable to provide a roadmap simply because our objectives shift so frequently. We like to think this helps us keep up with what's most in-demand!
 
Kind regards,
The FS Team

 

 

 

So this was posted in October 2019.  It's been nearly 9 months and I think we deserve an update. 

 

1. Is everyone still focused on the development of the app? 

 

2. And if everyone isn't focused on the app, could we see a development map on upcoming updates?



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Posted 17 June 2020 - 01:35

I would also like a road map for the future of this game - it gives us all something to look forward to (besides the globals of course). Especially since the app has been broken for nearly a week at this point.



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Posted 17 June 2020 - 10:20

So this was posted in October 2019.  It's been nearly 9 months and I think we deserve an update. 

 

1. Is everyone still focused on the development of the app? 

 

2. And if everyone isn't focused on the app, could we see a development map on upcoming updates?

 

 

1. Yes.

2. Already answered in your quoted post. "We're unable to provide a roadmap simply because our objectives shift so frequently."

 

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Posted 17 June 2020 - 19:09

1. Yes.

2. Already answered in your quoted post. "We're unable to provide a roadmap simply because our objectives shift so frequently."

 

~ Grim

 

Thanks for the response, but I'm still a bit unclear.  When "objectives" are mentioned, are those objectives for Fallen Sword, or are they objectives for HCS?  Also, to me, objectives and updates are entirely different so I don't understand how you don't know what updates you're going to provide because your "objectives" switch.  Please, some more clarity would be much appreciated.

 

Like, an update would be something like content, and an objective is the path or "goal" Fallen Sword.  Does that mean HCS isn't clear on where Fallen Sword is going?  That's also concerning, but I'm sure the community would appriciate some clarity.  Thank you.



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Posted 18 June 2020 - 09:08

We know where Sword is going, have no fear on that score but we will not be providing a roadmap. We have in the past and all it caused was trouble.

 

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Posted 18 June 2020 - 20:18

We know where Sword is going, have no fear on that score but we will not be providing a roadmap. We have in the past and all it caused was trouble.

 

~ Grim

 

I appriciate the response.  What I have observed over the last several years in Fallen Sword is that there has been a steady decline in the player base.  The reason for this decline could be any numbers of things as it's the way of older browser games.  But one thing I know, is that money and donations are required for a game to progress.  People donate / spend when they are happy or confident in a product.  When that confidence is shaken, I imagine the money isn't flowing in. Which brings me to my next point...structure.

 

Development maps provide more than just structure which is so important.  Development maps provide hope, they provide the user base with a sense that things will improve.  BigGrim, when you say "we will not be providing a roadmap", how are we, as the consumers, supposed to interpret that?  The first thing that I thought was "they stopped caring", which probably isn't the case, but what else am I supposed to think?  Companies with pride in their product LOVE providing roadmaps because it gives them an opportunity to brag about the cool stuff they are releasing.  I'm sorry that all the roadmaps in the past have caused trouble, but I don't think that is enough of a reason to just not provide one.  And from what I remember, those roadmaps were awesome and I loved seeing what was in the works.

 

BigGrim, I implore you to please reconsider NOT providing a roadmap.  It's really hard to get excited to play Fallen Sword when there is no facts that we'll ever get anything new.  Thank you for your time.  



#18 MGH HiddnNinja

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Posted 18 June 2020 - 23:05

I appriciate the response.  What I have observed over the last several years in Fallen Sword is that there has been a steady decline in the player base.  The reason for this decline could be any numbers of things as it's the way of older browser games.  But one thing I know, is that money and donations are required for a game to progress.  People donate / spend when they are happy or confident in a product.  When that confidence is shaken, I imagine the money isn't flowing in. Which brings me to my next point...structure.

 

Development maps provide more than just structure which is so important.  Development maps provide hope, they provide the user base with a sense that things will improve.  BigGrim, when you say "we will not be providing a roadmap", how are we, as the consumers, supposed to interpret that?  The first thing that I thought was "they stopped caring", which probably isn't the case, but what else am I supposed to think?  Companies with pride in their product LOVE providing roadmaps because it gives them an opportunity to brag about the cool stuff they are releasing.  I'm sorry that all the roadmaps in the past have caused trouble, but I don't think that is enough of a reason to just not provide one.  And from what I remember, those roadmaps were awesome and I loved seeing what was in the works.

 

BigGrim, I implore you to please reconsider NOT providing a roadmap.  It's really hard to get excited to play Fallen Sword when there is no facts that we'll ever get anything new.  Thank you for your time.  

 

I logged into the forums just to agree with this!  If not a roadmap, let us know what is in the works.  If you just say "the app", all of us veterans that have donated(probably thousands upon thousands individually on one game) will be sad, most have quit already.  We just need to know if we need to find a new game to play together, or if there will be life in FallenSword for us to continue to enjoy together!

 

Put a disclaimer in your roadmap that say things are bound to change at our discretion, we understand, small print is among every single company in the world!


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Posted 19 June 2020 - 11:40

Sorry but we have given our answer on this matter.

 

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