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#1 ss_ashlord

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Posted 17 October 2009 - 08:28

Is there soon time when we see mercs that help us kill elites and champs better rather than waiting ages till faction members login and bother to join the squad.

#2 centurion

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Posted 17 October 2009 - 15:36

most of the elites are soloable. all of champs are soloable. just have to have right setup for solo

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Posted 18 October 2009 - 07:55

most of the elites are soloable. all of champs are soloable. just have to have right setup for solo

I agree the "Elites" and "Champs" can be beaten solo but it would be nice to see another neglected part of the game come to life... Shoot they might even release some more difficult mobs to make mercs useful... I fear the game has just gotten out of the devs hands with delay after delay and problem after problem :( Best is not to expect ANYTHING... It's what I do and what has caused a mass exodus of players...

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Posted 18 October 2009 - 09:08

yes but how can i solo if i cant even get some equip.. neither i have FCs to just upgrade random high lvl stuff for it just to hunt elites to get "actual" equip i need..

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Posted 18 October 2009 - 14:46

Ashlord raises a point that is often needed to be addressed on these forums. Saying "you can solo X" or "get into a faction with enough players" or other type comments are not productive. Especially when they only hold true if you have access to expensive gear. Some of us might not thing mid-level elite sets are expensive but for some the are. There is nothing wrong with a player asking for the mercs that seem to be part of the game design.

Elites are soloable with good FE gear or by down-hunting for most levels. A non-donator in a small faction might have a desire to kill same level Elites to build sets for leveling. I challenge anyone to successfully hunt Elites with JUST the unengineered gear used to level bought from stores. Remeber as a non-donator in a small faction you basically have 10 BP spaces, no FE'd gear, no Elite gear and no instantly filled squads. The OP raises a valid point that mercs would be used by these types of factions. They would and would serve a purpose. Not all players are donators or are part of large factions with lots of gear and auto-filled squads.

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Posted 18 October 2009 - 16:40

It's rather hilarious that such an innocuous topic can open up other issues facing the game. :?

My biggest problem for a while has been diminishing gear availability. Getting 1000, even unforged, attack isn't that far away. Getting 600 defense unforged is impossible! So hitting a tough mob shouldn't be a problem. It's staying alive after not being able to 1 hit. If you're a Purist you can get 3 more swings to kill the mob...

I was gonna make a thread regarding this lack of gear again. Mr. Varkaz, you brushed aside my criticism during the previous update(160-170) when another player said there was no lack of gear. Here you go: viewtopic.php?p=38184#p38184. I'm kind of used to it so wasn't too bothered. Here the topic re-arises if you ask me.

Can you throw some gear in the game with defense? It's ridiculously skewed in favor of attack and damage. Or I guess you could just add mercs instead just to spite me...

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Posted 18 October 2009 - 20:00

Well, since this "innocuous" thread has been identified as as the new battleground for tangents I figured I better set up camp myself...

On the point of mercs - I am sure it is just another oversight in the programming and will be tended to in about 4 months, much like MS was. That said, I will dismiss the point as it will eventual work itself out. On the topic of gear, I too am disappointed by the lack of new players to bolster the game economy, but have been relieved by the in game expenses implemented to hold the line on the crystal market - WTG milk/steaks! One thing I would like to see implemented would be to have PvP titles added to the maps. It can be a bit frustrating to forget when you on a PvP map after having let your batteries recharge. I think this would be simple enough and not really require any additional coding.

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Posted 18 October 2009 - 20:39

Ashlord raises a point that is often needed to be addressed on these forums. Saying "you can solo X" or "get into a faction with enough players" or other type comments are not productive. Especially when they only hold true if you have access to expensive gear. Some of us might not thing mid-level elite sets are expensive but for some the are. There is nothing wrong with a player asking for the mercs that seem to be part of the game design.

Elites are soloable with good FE gear or by down-hunting for most levels. A non-donator in a small faction might have a desire to kill same level Elites to build sets for leveling. I challenge anyone to successfully hunt Elites with JUST the unengineered gear used to level bought from stores. Remeber as a non-donator in a small faction you basically have 10 BP spaces, no FE'd gear, no Elite gear and no instantly filled squads. The OP raises a valid point that mercs would be used by these types of factions. They would and would serve a purpose. Not all players are donators or are part of large factions with lots of gear and auto-filled squads.



I don't think merc is necessary part except as cr sink and making it bit easier for some faction to HK hunt. frankly, I rather see other things done before merc. If Elite hunting for making set is important and you don't belong to decent faction or at least have FE'd equipment, you really just need to become purist with MS. other class can do it, but it is much easier for purist. Also, I am going to be honest, but if you don't have FE'd equipment, you will really suffer in your levelling. For occasional elite kill to finish a mission, it is not hard to get small group together for most faction. If you belong to smaller faction, you will have to be extra ingenius. it is just the price of the choice you made and challenge you accepted in that choice.


it is matter of glass being half full or half empty. I was cyborg from lvl 1-80 and I belonged to tiny faction. I soloed every elite with FE'd core items(did not use set until 80). these are very cheap in TH if you look around. in fact, I did it without most of the buffs available now. with buff/pots, you can easily solo every elite.

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Posted 18 October 2009 - 21:07

Ashlord raises a point that is often needed to be addressed on these forums. Saying "you can solo X" or "get into a faction with enough players" or other type comments are not productive. Especially when they only hold true if you have access to expensive gear. Some of us might not thing mid-level elite sets are expensive but for some the are. There is nothing wrong with a player asking for the mercs that seem to be part of the game design.

Elites are soloable with good FE gear or by down-hunting for most levels. A non-donator in a small faction might have a desire to kill same level Elites to build sets for leveling. I challenge anyone to successfully hunt Elites with JUST the unengineered gear used to level bought from stores. Remeber as a non-donator in a small faction you basically have 10 BP spaces, no FE'd gear, no Elite gear and no instantly filled squads. The OP raises a valid point that mercs would be used by these types of factions. They would and would serve a purpose. Not all players are donators or are part of large factions with lots of gear and auto-filled squads.



I don't think merc is necessary part except as cr sink and making it bit easier for some faction to HK hunt. frankly, I rather see other things done before merc. If Elite hunting for making set is important and you don't belong to decent faction or at least have FE'd equipment, you really just need to become purist with MS. other class can do it, but it is much easier for purist. Also, I am going to be honest, but if you don't have FE'd equipment, you will really suffer in your levelling. For occasional elite kill to finish a mission, it is not hard to get small group together for most faction. If you belong to smaller faction, you will have to be extra ingenius. it is just the price of the choice you made and challenge you accepted in that choice.


it is matter of glass being half full or half empty. I was cyborg from lvl 1-80 and I belonged to tiny faction. I soloed every elite with FE'd core items(did not use set until 80). these are very cheap in TH if you look around. in fact, I did it without most of the buffs available now. with buff/pots, you can easily solo every elite.


This is not an option for many. That's all I was saying. What you think is very cheap is not the same as what some non-donator in a struggling faction may think is very cheap. The game is for them too. The fact that you "always" had FE core items implies a level of in-game funds that many don't have. I don't think things are very expensive and most players can get FE gear. But, I can see someone not being able to be in that kind of gear regularly. For them, mercs (or squads in general) are needed for Elites.

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Posted 18 October 2009 - 21:47

when I started, I did some "reward" and got couple hundred fcs to start with. then I bought some FC later on.(after lvl 40 I remember) but my purchase level here has been much less than it has been in FS, but in many ways it is easier to get fc here. Have not purchased any since lvl 100. Only thing I did at the beginning, was to upgrade daily max energy(1200) and fe'd gear set at the beginning. I could easily have played without buying fc after that.(and kept up with content) I used nothing but core gear, as it was much better than "elite set" for first 80lvl. when I was Purist between 110-130, I again used "core gear"

There are lot of factions with FE'd gears and space available. Most of the top 50 factions are recruiting all the time. only way not to have FE gear is belonging to new and poor faction or starting your own. if you started your own faction, you better have deep pocket book or you are better off on existing one. I'd rather see people come up with creative solutions, which there are many, rather than asking for un-needed features. YOu get as much out of this game as you put into it.


as I've said, only thing that you need bigger group(possibly merc) is to kill Sharona HK at lvl 100. frankly, you can avoid it and come back later for it. if you need help with setup, ask for help from more experienced. most will suggest setup or at least where to look.

#11 ecolitan

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Posted 18 October 2009 - 22:29

Ok....

One more time. Not everyone NEEDS to be in a top faction. The game should be playable for all players. Mercs are already announced for this game.

Therefore... there is nothing wrong with asking when they'll come. You say you don't need many FC and cavalierly mention 140 FC as an upgrade to energy and "FE a set" which means 30-60 more FC. If a player doesn't have access to the free rewards (many don't that play from much of the world or that play from shared IP's), that's a heck of a lot of FC's.

I don't think saying these things (not just here but in general) are needed. Yes everyone in your faction (and mine and a few others) can pretty much solo all the Elites. But, this isn't true for all players. Many players DON'T have access to ANY FC for the majority of the game. Telling them that FE'd core gear is cheap (and that means a few FC or more per piece), telling them to get into a bigger faction (maybe loyalty to friends matters for some?), or telling them to become a purist is not a constructive comment when they asked about the coming of a feature already announced for the game.

And, stating you'd rather see "other improvements" is fine. At least for those of us that don't suffer from this player's dilemma. I'm in your position. I'd rather see content (among other things), but I recognize that there are many players out there that have the OP's perspective. It would be frustrating for such a player and asking about the planned introduction of an already announced feature belongs here.

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Posted 18 October 2009 - 23:29

Where it is already a known intention of the game designers. Does it belong here or in general feed back?

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Posted 19 October 2009 - 00:10

Where it is already a known intention of the game designers. Does it belong here or in general feed back?



First - really? First page of my search and...

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3842&hilit=mercenaries&start=30

I'd say that places it in the "to do list" particularly given the thread.

Second - The OP would probably be better served with more attention in Feedback. Not sure it DOESN'T belong here though.

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Posted 19 October 2009 - 02:06

I challenge anyone to successfully hunt Elites with JUST the unengineered gear used to level bought from stores. Remeber as a non-donator in a small faction you basically have 10 BP spaces, no FE'd gear, no Elite gear and no instantly filled squads.


*Start bragging*

I did that with lvl 26 Sharona, and I got my own kokada set in the process. I lost a level doing this, but it was worth it.

*End bragging*

The OP suggestion is almost definitely going to be put into the game at some point, but I think that it's just part of a larger problem. We NEED more to do than just level. Mercs would help, but so would a LOT of other things, such as HCS-sanctioned slaughterfests, or a million other ideas in the Suggestions forum.

And eco, the FE pants I have on right now cost me 1 fc, which I got purely from hunting. It isn't as difficult to get FC as you seem to be saying, although getting 200 would take a LONG time.

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Posted 19 October 2009 - 02:36

I don't think it's THAT hard to get FC in-game. I do think it can be hard for some players with no survey possibilities and small, struggling factions to get enough to be wearing FE gear consistently. I also agree, there's lots missing right now in the game.

I do however feel sorry for the OP who asked (imo) a legitimate question about when an improvement already mentioned might come about and having his thread turned into "get into a better faction" or "wear FE gear and solo the Elites" or "all else fails be a purist" or "here's the list of what's wrong in the game". I was merely trying to point out that some of us in the larger factions, or donators, can forget that the game is there for the non-donator in a small faction too. For those players this would add PLAYABILITY (as the OP defined it and mentioned).

Heck, it even might increase the number of low levels that stick with the game (and THAT'S about the largest problem I see). Not saying it would. Also, for the record, mercs don't make my top 5 or 10 list for what I want to see done soonest. But, that's not here nor there in this thread.


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