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Do you feel these changes are for the better?

  1. Voted Yes (145 votes [72.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 72.50%

  2. Voted No (30 votes [15.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.00%

  3. Either way - I'm not to bothered. (25 votes [12.50%])

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#101 fs_azrail

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Posted 13 March 2007 - 17:22

this is the lack of parody u created a war system would have been better that this relics that get hoarded up by few and the many suffer sound like russia before the cold war ended

ur point being? i don't care about relic system 'cause i see it as an alternative to guild wars with an opt out.. high leveled guilds wants to hold the relics? let them hold.. is it really worth the stamina, effort, time they will be putting into it? i don't think so.. as seeing we will have no part with them so relic system is entirely on a different world for us.. (of course if the system changes and actually holding them gains something to us we will try to capture them then) so what i'm saying is this:
1)if this is a way for a guild war with an opt out then we will not be bothering with it already (told this before on guild raid/war topics)
2)if this is a completely new idea for some fun as it is now only top guilds can have the relics so... we don't care that way either.. they are out of reach where ever i look lol

#102 fs_willy74

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Posted 13 March 2007 - 17:23

do what ever benefits the top 10 guilds right they r the big spenders too right game benefits whoever spends the most i guess i have to drop a big bill to get some freakin say in this cuz it dont do no good to compete with a guild with nearly unlimited resources

#103 fs_treeline

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Posted 13 March 2007 - 17:24

do what ever benefits the top 10 guilds right they r the big spenders too right game benefits whoever spends the most i guess i have to drop a big bill to get some freakin say in this cuz it dont do no good to compete with a guild with nearly unlimited resources


your choices in life should effect me why? Join a big guild

#104 fs_treeline

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Posted 13 March 2007 - 17:27

Treeline, I understand what u are getting at. What I am trying to say is to make it a leveled playing field. U have ur level 80 and above relics, u and the other higher level defend and capture those. Why would u stoop down to attack lvl 20 and below? let them take care of themselves. I don't expect nor want a level 85 person help or even defend me when other players of the same levels are attacking me. Its a different story when someone is 10+ levels is pounding me into submission. Yes I would want some help from a person of your stature. I'm not trying to offend u. U have played this game for a long time. I aspire to to get to your level. just my two cents.


Look at the levels in my guild and you will have your answer

I am sure that there are many other guilds that would have the same problem.

What happens when you are level 50 and you have 2 new players around 20. Are you going to just let them fend for themselves or do they have to not join your guild and go start a level 20 guild so they can enjoy the benifits of being in a guild?

#105 fs_willy74

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Posted 13 March 2007 - 17:28

this is the lack of parody u created a war system would have been better that this relics that get hoarded up by few and the many suffer sound like russia before the cold war ended

ur point being? i don't care about relic system 'cause i see it as an alternative to guild wars with an opt out.. high leveled guilds wants to hold the relics? let them hold.. is it really worth the stamina, effort, time they will be putting into it? i don't think so.. as seeing we will have no part with them so relic system is entirely on a different world for us.. (of course if the system changes and actually holding them gains something to us we will try to capture them then) so what i'm saying is this:
1)if this is a way for a guild war with an opt out then we will not be bothering with it already (told this before on guild raid/war topics)
2)if this is a completely new idea for some fun as it is now only top guilds can have the relics so... we don't care that way either.. they are out of reach where ever i look lol

with this comment u have stooped to a new lvl of lack or reading comprehention. u dont care cuz u cant have it. i care cuz i cant have it r u right and im wrong i just feel u r lazy so why be in this thread and comment on something u just dont care about. TAHT MY FRIEND IS A WASTE OF OUR TIME AND YOUR EFFORT AND FOR THE TWENTY MINUTES OF YOU'RE RAMLING WITHOUT A COHERANT SUGGESTION OR ORIGINALK THOUGHT WE ARE ALL THAT MUCH STUPIDER

#106 fs_willy74

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Posted 13 March 2007 - 17:31

do what ever benefits the top 10 guilds right they r the big spenders too right game benefits whoever spends the most i guess i have to drop a big bill to get some freakin say in this cuz it dont do no good to compete with a guild with nearly unlimited resources


your choices in life should effect me why? Join a big guild

boy thats the qoute of the day ding ding ding ding what does he win bob ....... a skewed way of looking at things from down ur nose. like i said let the upper guys have what they want lol they paid for it right

#107 fs_treeline

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Posted 13 March 2007 - 17:39

do what ever benefits the top 10 guilds right they r the big spenders too right game benefits whoever spends the most i guess i have to drop a big bill to get some freakin say in this cuz it dont do no good to compete with a guild with nearly unlimited resources


your choices in life should effect me why? Join a big guild

boy thats the qoute of the day ding ding ding ding what does he win bob ....... a skewed way of looking at things from down ur nose. like i said let the upper guys have what they want lol they paid for it right


I know several people that are around level 50 right now and didn't spend more then 40$. You are making a lot of accusation and have a lot of opinions for someone that obviously doesn't even play enough to even keep your stamina from topping out.

#108 fs_azrail

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Posted 13 March 2007 - 17:40

with this comment u have stooped to a new lvl of lack or reading comprehention. u dont care cuz u cant have it. i care cuz i cant have it r u right and im wrong i just feel u r lazy so why be in this thread and comment on something u just dont care about. TAHT MY FRIEND IS A WASTE OF OUR TIME AND YOUR EFFORT AND FOR THE TWENTY MINUTES OF YOU'RE RAMLING WITHOUT A COHERANT SUGGESTION OR ORIGINALK THOUGHT WE ARE ALL THAT MUCH STUPIDER

wow.. i hit an angry rock :shock: .. ur right i don't care 'cause i can't capture them. even if i could i don't think it is worth the effort.. am i saying the same things? i think so we seem to have some communication problem here.. before i can make a suggestion on the topic i need to know if this is an alternative to guild raids (and if it is so i will just leave an go to sleep and do not even bother to read it) or a completely new system. if this is a new system then it is open to development and i will give some ideas on that. your commend on me being lazy... why should i spent effort, stamina on something i can't have? i'm the highest leveled player in our guild and it is impossible for me to be online 24 hours a day.. so even if we got lucky and capture one relic we can't hold it... i call this knowing ur limitations... big guilds are having the relics? i wish them good luck.. they are on top 10 aren't they? why shouldn't they hold the relics? in wars only the strong survives.. and they are strong.. i don't understand what is wrong with that.. if we want a relic that means we have to make to top 20 guild list that is all.. then we can claim one relic for us.. so simply leveling up and getting bigger vs capturing relic stuation leveling up wins.. maybe u should read what i write a little bit more carefully u understand what u want to understand and it is not my problem in the slightest

#109 fs_treeline

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Posted 13 March 2007 - 17:42

with this comment u have stooped to a new lvl of lack or reading comprehention. u dont care cuz u cant have it. i care cuz i cant have it r u right and im wrong i just feel u r lazy so why be in this thread and comment on something u just dont care about. TAHT MY FRIEND IS A WASTE OF OUR TIME AND YOUR EFFORT AND FOR THE TWENTY MINUTES OF YOU'RE RAMLING WITHOUT A COHERANT SUGGESTION OR ORIGINALK THOUGHT WE ARE ALL THAT MUCH STUPIDER

wow.. i hit an angry rock :shock: .. ur right i don't care 'cause i can't capture them. even if i could i don't think it is worth the effort.. am i saying the same things? i think so we seem to have some communication problem here.. before i can make a suggestion on the topic i need to know if this is an alternative to guild raids (and if it is so i will just leave an go to sleep and do not even bother to read it) or a completely new system. if this is a new system then it is open to development and i will give some ideas on that. your commend on me being lazy... why should i spent effort, stamina on something i can't have? i'm the highest leveled player in our guild and it is impossible for me to be online 24 hours a day.. so even if we got lucky and capture one relic we can't hold it... i call this knowing ur limitations... big guilds are having the relics? i wish them good luck.. they are on top 10 aren't they? why shouldn't they hold the relics? in wars only the strong survives.. and they are strong.. i don't understand what is wrong with that.. if we want a relic that means we have to make to top 20 guild list that is all.. then we can claim one relic for us.. so simply leveling up and getting bigger vs capturing relic stuation leveling up wins.. maybe u should read what i write a little bit more carefully u understand what u want to understand and it is not my problem in the slightest


I made it to 90 with out them...back in my day we had to walk everywhere...none of this portal here portal there business and we had 2 realms and they were both green and we LIKED it :P

#110 fs_willy74

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Posted 13 March 2007 - 17:42

my stam is 1620 bet ya cant guess how i got it there i paid for it boy u r on a roll today tree keep it commin i will take a frame of my stats and send it to ya just to shut u up if ya need it

#111 fs_kage72

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Posted 13 March 2007 - 17:47

do what ever benefits the top 10 guilds right they r the big spenders too right game benefits whoever spends the most i guess i have to drop a big bill to get some freakin say in this cuz it dont do no good to compete with a guild with nearly unlimited resources


your choices in life should effect me why? Join a big guild


It's just a shame. Stuff like this seems to be VERY demoralizing to the MANY smaller guilds. Shouldn't they be a consideration? I am called selfish when i try to preserve the level integrity by removing "buy stamina/buy exp". So, how do you think it sounds to say "Join a big guild"? Who cares how much efforts MANY MANY people have made making guilds at a point when this wasn't implemented. They should all just abandon their hard work to join big guilds now? That doesn't sound like a "fair" mentality.

I like the idea of a maximum of 1-2 relic per guild. Eventually as more and more relics are added, more and more guilds will have the ability to obtain 1. The battle would be more over controlling the good relics.

#112 fs_willy74

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Posted 13 March 2007 - 17:47

gvg would have been more fair. TEQ hits us several times a week with no regard for a albeit onesided pact that we would not strike them they continue to harras us i would love gvg cuz i have guild leaders chomping at the bit for something like gvg just so they can whack people like that. wouldnt be as wild as u think because caution would be preached and to err would cost the guild. peer pressure is a mother

#113 fs_kage72

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Posted 13 March 2007 - 17:50

1. make relics appear randomly and have random good/bad effects.
2. make them level based, ie if its in a lvl 20 realm then only lvl 20 and below can capture and defend the relic
3. no portals or teleports to relics - if u really want it that bad work for it.
4. must have minmum one defender of the appropriate lvl and can only defend in group if the defender is on the relic up to max of 5. same goes for the attacking squad. these are relics -- work for it.
5. no guild can hold more than 2 at a time.
6. have a time limit on how long a guild can hold the relic. when the timer is up it disappears to another location with different effects.
7. the leading defender gets the full stat bonus from the relic then it decreases with each additional defender ie
1 defender =100%
1+1 defender = 80%
1+2 defender = 60%
1+3 defender = 40%
1+4 defender= 20%
8. like the structures we currently have, its cost us gold to upkeep. So while holding a relic it should cost the guild xp to keep. The higher the lvl relic the more xp it cost to upkeep per hour.

Just my two cents.


I am very much against anything that is level based(#2)

What is the point of being level 100 or more if you can't help out the smaller people in your guild? When you talk about fairness keep in mind that for me at least, I have spent more rl cash then anyone below level 85ish....how is it fair to me who has spend far more time in the game and spent far more money to have someone come along and put in a bunch of communist level playing field rules. Work hard and get to the top yourself and then it will be fair.


I know my suggestion got lost in the thread, but I was trying to propose that the relics be level based not on who can attack or defend, but on who benefits.

Like, a lvl 20 relic would only apply the bonuses for lower lvl players, say lvl 15-20. This way, there is less incentive for high lvl guilds to hoard all the lower lvl relics. But, if you want to help out your lower level brothers that option is still available to you.

So, as the guild 'grows' with more members leveling up and they have less need for a lower lvl relic, they will move on and try to capture the next tier.

You just won't get any bonuses from the relic individually as a higher level player if you don't have the level appropriate relic in your guild.


main problem with this is that most bigger guild have a very wide range in their members levels. this might cause internal problems in the guilds over which relics were important. I still elect 1-2 relic limit per guild. Of course would have to remove the new upgrade and refund FSP.

#114 fs_willy74

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Posted 13 March 2007 - 17:53

im gonna contribute to my guild try to get it to the top ten by tomorrow and see if i can snatch a relic from the cold dead hands of an ally

#115 fs_silverrook

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Posted 13 March 2007 - 17:53

i will post my idea again cuz it seems to be getting lost or no one cares about it either way your gonna hear it again

new suggestion -
why not have the relics randomly generate in random locations until they have fully propagated the game. trhese locations are not visible on the map and may be "stumbled across"

On these square where the relics are have a mob of say 5 elites of random level according to the lvl area they are in for example a relic found in a level 20 area would have lvl 20 - 25 elites guarding it and you dont get to take the relic until the mob has been defeated.

This relic is then yours for a specific time period of say 120hours then it is destroyed - this will lead to a relic quest permament feature to the game then no one leads or rules it.

You can have a random name generator take names from say the guild sql data base - chuck some random stats against the name of the relic and then throw it in the pond so to speak.

Only one relic can be held at any one time - and with the feature of the relic expiring ( due to their use enchanting the guild members and the magic it in running out ) then forcing the guild to go hunting for another one..... comments please

every guild has an equal chance of benefiting from relics this way otherwise we'll just get powerful guild hoarding relics and defending them stopping anyone else getting them and being bullys about it

#116 fs_kage72

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Posted 13 March 2007 - 17:54

P.S. where is this relic list?

#117 fs_silverrook

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Posted 13 March 2007 - 17:55

P.S. where is this relic list?


where every other game spoiler is .... on fallenswordguide

#118 fs_willy74

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Posted 13 March 2007 - 17:55

new suggestion -
why not have the relics randomly generate in random locations until they have fully propagated the game. trhese locations are not visible on the map and may be "stumbled across"

On these square where the relics are have a mob of say 5 elites of random level according to the lvl area they are in for example a relic found in a level 20 area would have lvl 20 - 25 elites guarding it and you dont get to take the relic until the mob has been defeated.

This relic is then yours for a specific time period of say 120hours then it is destroyed - this will lead to a relic quest permament feature to the game then no one leads or rules it.

You can have a random name generator take names from say the guild sql data base - chuck some random stats against the name of the relic and then throw it in the pond so to speak.

Only one relic can be held at any one time - and with the feature of the relic expiring ( due to their use enchanting the guild members and the magic it in running out ) then forcing the guild to go hunting for another one..... comments please

every guild has an equal chance of benefiting from relics this way otherwise we'll just get powerful guild hoarding relics and defending them stopping anyone else getting them and being bullys about it :P :P

#119 fs_willy74

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Posted 13 March 2007 - 17:58

according to trees logic u have no right to suggest because...... u havent spent the money or the money to be a top 10 guild there fore ur suggetion is null and void there fore i dissmiss ur suggetion and submit..... nothing let the top 10 babies have it and we will keep haveing fun createing new ways to have fun in the game.

#120 fs_silverrook

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Posted 13 March 2007 - 18:03

according to trees logic u have no right to suggest because...... u havent spent the money or the money to be a top 10 guild there fore ur suggetion is null and void there fore i dissmiss ur suggetion and submit..... nothing let the top 10 babies have it and we will keep haveing fun createing new ways to have fun in the game.


well personally i have donated over 100 gbp and my IRL friends klyd coruz and maddass have definately donated that and a lot more so yeh i feel like we got a voice if we have to pay for it, but i dont think thats what he saying


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