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Official Suggestion: Protect XP Change (Second Try!)


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  1. Change Protect XP to 75 FSPs (no time limit) (38 votes [14.90%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.90%

  2. Change Protect XP to 5 FSPs (48 hour limit) (10 votes [3.92%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.92%

  3. Change Protect XP to 5 FSPs (72 hour limit) (56 votes [21.96%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.96%

  4. Change Protect XP so bounty kills can still reduce XP (ie. ignores Protect XP) - (same cost and no time limit) (151 votes [59.22%])

    Percentage of vote: 59.22%

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#21 fs_lordatog

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Posted 05 April 2007 - 17:57

there wasnt a problem with it towards beginning but some people have started abusing the xp protection and sitting at lvls abusing others for gold with no threat of damage to self and if they luck up woth fsp bounties or large gold bounty gets s friend to collect...


technically the xp lock effects top 250 players less than anyone else since we are constantly gaining xp so would have to redo daily to get benefit anyways... we are looking at game as a whole not what benefits us

#22 fs_borisdrago

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Posted 05 April 2007 - 18:05

If the bounty system is soooo terrible the way it is now.... then why do so many people use it??? :?


no it will become useless if they make this change cuz letting people attack every 5 mins for 100 stamina and have as many people as you can attacking this one person without having xp protect means no one is going to risk doing pvp incase they get put on the bounty board


:? Huh? :?



dumbass :roll:

right

if they implement this change when you pvp someone you will run the risk of 20 or so people all hitting you for potentially 100stamina AND you will lose xp .......


so my friend you gonna pvp those people at all anymore ??? i sure aint gonna not if it means that someone can put me up for say 20fsp bounty so that about 40 people all take the bounty on AND i will lose xp in the process ????? no thanks


i will be attacking ppl like you :) cause you are afraid of pvp and if your guild retaliates i can delevel them :)
and you are wrong about me always agreeing with hoof the only thing you guys dont understand is in order for this game to exist he and game developers need to make $$ but i have disagreed with him plenty of times especially when they nerfed pvp couple of times and i believe my thread "Hoof are you out of your mind " when he tried to change the auction structure right after last legendary event was not very biased towards hoof and co.
And when i started out in this game there was no free offers, no auction house, no maps, 5 available buildings no legendary equipment, guild could only have 20 members in it, you could lose 10% of your lvl to a 100 sta pvp attack (from a person 5 lvls above you as well as below you), and you lost about 10 times as much xp from monsters as you do now and the game was fun and challenging. So please dont talk to me how you think the game is unfair just because you not making your next lvl fast enough.
And if you dont have free offers then 90% of ppl who play this game will simply quit and fsps will cost 100k+ gold (go take an economics class to fgure that one out) And when you have nothing to work for the game is not fun.
And once again if 20 ppl want to spend all their stamina and time deleveling you you are doing something wrong :) and desrve the beating

#23 fs_silverrook

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Posted 05 April 2007 - 18:05

If the bounty system is soooo terrible the way it is now.... then why do so many people use it??? :?


no it will become useless if they make this change cuz letting people attack every 5 mins for 100 stamina and have as many people as you can attacking this one person without having xp protect means no one is going to risk doing pvp incase they get put on the bounty board


:? Huh? :?



dumbass :roll:

right

if they implement this change when you pvp someone you will run the risk of 20 or so people all hitting you for potentially 100stamina AND you will lose xp .......


so my friend you gonna pvp those people at all anymore ??? i sure aint gonna not if it means that someone can put me up for say 20fsp bounty so that about 40 people all take the bounty on AND i will lose xp in the process ????? no thanks


Did you read my first post??? I will repeat it.... what is the problem with the way the bounty system is now? And if you are so worried about being bountied.... DON'T ATTACK PEOPLE!



are you dyslexic ?

i havent said there is a problem with the bounty system i said when they make these changes to the protect XP the bounty will become obsolete cuz no one will want to risk getting bountied for PVP cuz they are gonna lose so much xp especially from the people that can afford to put high fsp rewards on you ergo no more pvp

sorry dude but you just blatently misread all of my posts


the onle change will be that those that have protect xp soon will lose experience .... nothing more.



if thats the case then its not xp protect is it ??? so your saying if you dont have xp protect then you dont lose xp on bountys ? lol

this wholew things sux HOOF PLEASE TELL ME THE PROCESS FOR SHUTTING MY ACCOUNT

#24 fs_borisdrago

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Posted 05 April 2007 - 18:10

we are getting off topic with the gold use and reduce everythings FSp cost.. the question right now is how to alter protect xp so that its not abused an so it still has a use.... perhaps have it so it slowely wears off as in protects 100% of when set for first day then come 24:00 drops to 95% of that amount then either to 90% of it or to make programing easier 95% of what it was the previous day....that way its only good for so long.....


Interesting idea LordAtog. One thing is for sure though. XP lock shouldnt be permanent as it is now.


say all the high level players i didnt see anyone complain about it when they first introduced it into the game oh FFS i quit no more FSP donations from me i quit thats it i had enough of it all


mpark and his guild is the top players in the game and likely the highest donators to the game if they think it should not be permanent xp lock when they would be the once to risk most then wouldnt you listen to them you are lvl 49 at that lvl you dont lose alot of xp they lose 10+k xp each sucsessfull attack

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Posted 05 April 2007 - 18:11

HuphlungPu,

The bounty system is not broken. Just needs to be tweaked. I don't like taking bounties because its lame to get bounty back on you for everytime u attack with the bounty. THat means I can Have up 10 bouties put on my head for taking a bounty. THats lame.[/quote

Those are the risks when taking a bounty though.


Yes - maybe if it is a bounty kill they should not get the opportunity to bounty you back... ?

#26 Hoofmaster

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Posted 05 April 2007 - 18:15

U put a bounty out to bet back or punish the person who Attacked u in the first place. WHy punish the person taking the bounty? U can implement other risks, but having TEN!?!?! bounties on your head for taking ONE Bounty.
Just needs tweking imho


Yes I agree - thats what im saying :)

#27 fs_lordatog

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Posted 05 April 2007 - 18:19

perhaps to fix just make so you can only place one bounty on a person at any given time ( or one per 24 hour period ) once bounty is finished if they have hit you again you can make a new bounty?

but thats a bit off subject.. the subject is a way to balance xp loss a time limit or make it so it does like defiance but in pvp to reduce xp loss so you can be hurt but will take a lot more effort to do real damage perhaps make it perminant and reduces xp loss 50-75% from pvp/BH? or 100% protection from pvp and 30-60% from BH?

#28 fs_skellos

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Posted 05 April 2007 - 18:22

You shouldn't have attacked in the first place. Point!

I'd prefer "Protect XP" for 5 FSP with protection from PvP but not at all from bounty kills.

#29 fs_borisdrago

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Posted 05 April 2007 - 18:23

HuphlungPu,

The bounty system is not broken. Just needs to be tweaked. I don't like taking bounties because its lame to get bounty back on you for everytime u attack with the bounty. THat means I can Have up 10 bouties put on my head for taking a bounty. THats lame.[/quote

Those are the risks when taking a bounty though.


Yes - maybe if it is a bounty kill they should not get the opportunity to bounty you back... ?


horrible idea hoof here is an example: someone attacks a guildmember of mine for gold, guilmember asks for retaliation, puts a bounty up and i deside the offence warants mass attack now i order my entire guild to attack the poor person with 100 sta attacks and he is deleveled 3-4 lvls and he cannot even retaliate on me ? not good will abused in a second

stick with the option the way you have it now 25fsps protect you but not from bounties. (btw what happens when someone is deleveled lower then their xp protect ? Say a guy with lvl 55 xp protect decided to try pvp at lvl 57 and got sent back to lvl 54 ? how will that work?) this will make ppl think twice about harrasing others and killing them for no reason

#30 fs_lordatog

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Posted 05 April 2007 - 18:23

The worries of having 40 people taking a bounty and deleveling u back to lvl 1 with the change in protect xp is a good point So why not limit the amount of people that can take a bounty and set a time limit when it has to be completed.



yeah a time limit would help to improve the quality of the bounties available because you would make offer high enough to be accepted... maybe have a thing showing highest number of kills made on a bounty so people dont start when someoen is already half done?

#31 fs_silverrook

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Posted 05 April 2007 - 18:25

If the bounty system is soooo terrible the way it is now.... then why do so many people use it??? :?


no it will become useless if they make this change cuz letting people attack every 5 mins for 100 stamina and have as many people as you can attacking this one person without having xp protect means no one is going to risk doing pvp incase they get put on the bounty board


:? Huh? :?



dumbass :roll:

right

if they implement this change when you pvp someone you will run the risk of 20 or so people all hitting you for potentially 100stamina AND you will lose xp .......


so my friend you gonna pvp those people at all anymore ??? i sure aint gonna not if it means that someone can put me up for say 20fsp bounty so that about 40 people all take the bounty on AND i will lose xp in the process ????? no thanks


i will be attacking ppl like you :) cause you are afraid of pvp and if your guild retaliates i can delevel them :)
and you are wrong about me always agreeing with hoof the only thing you guys dont understand is in order for this game to exist he and game developers need to make $$ but i have disagreed with him plenty of times especially when they nerfed pvp couple of times and i believe my thread "Hoof are you out of your mind " when he tried to change the auction structure right after last legendary event was not very biased towards hoof and co.
And when i started out in this game there was no free offers, no auction house, no maps, 5 available buildings no legendary equipment, guild could only have 20 members in it, you could lose 10% of your lvl to a 100 sta pvp attack (from a person 5 lvls above you as well as below you), and you lost about 10 times as much xp from monsters as you do now and the game was fun and challenging. So please dont talk to me how you think the game is unfair just because you not making your next lvl fast enough.
And if you dont have free offers then 90% of ppl who play this game will simply quit and fsps will cost 100k+ gold (go take an economics class to fgure that one out) And when you have nothing to work for the game is not fun.
And once again if 20 ppl want to spend all their stamina and time deleveling you you are doing something wrong :) and desrve the beating



your entitled to your opinion BD but i'm not afraid of pvpi love it i regulary smash people for gold and fight my enemies without any worry but like i said this game is f**ed up its own arse now changing the rules every 5 mins - making rules then changing them anyway you wont be able to attack me cuz i'm quitting and leaving my guild to someone else who can be arsed playing

#32 fs_borisdrago

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Posted 05 April 2007 - 18:27

perhaps to fix just make so you can only place one bounty on a person at any given time ( or one per 24 hour period ) once bounty is finished if they have hit you again you can make a new bounty?

but thats a bit off subject.. the subject is a way to balance xp loss a time limit or make it so it does like defiance but in pvp to reduce xp loss so you can be hurt but will take a lot more effort to do real damage perhaps make it perminant and reduces xp loss 50-75% from pvp/BH? or 100% protection from pvp and 30-60% from BH?


right now it takes a concious effort of 5+ ppl spending loads of stamina to bring someone down even one lvl if you reduce it further there will be no point

if someone hits me for 100 stamina i can usually replenish that xp in 20 stamina

if it will be reduced any further there will be no need for xp protect

#33 fs_silverrook

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Posted 05 April 2007 - 18:28

The worries of having 40 people taking a bounty and deleveling u back to lvl 1 with the change in protect xp is a good point So why not limit the amount of people that can take a bounty and set a time limit when it has to be completed.


But isn't the point of a bounty to punish? When a lvl 35 with full dragon is kicking a lvl 30's butt repeatedly for some no good reason.... that lvl 30 should be able to retaliate to the max.


yes but what if the player attacking you only needs PVP rating for a quest and gives the gold back and then jsut out of spite you place a bounty on him ???

sod it i'm off to play guildwars night fall which only costs me 20quid period to play instead of the 100 or so quid i spent on this game

#34 fs_borisdrago

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Posted 05 April 2007 - 18:32

If the bounty system is soooo terrible the way it is now.... then why do so many people use it??? :?


no it will become useless if they make this change cuz letting people attack every 5 mins for 100 stamina and have as many people as you can attacking this one person without having xp protect means no one is going to risk doing pvp incase they get put on the bounty board


:? Huh? :?



dumbass :roll:

right

if they implement this change when you pvp someone you will run the risk of 20 or so people all hitting you for potentially 100stamina AND you will lose xp .......


so my friend you gonna pvp those people at all anymore ??? i sure aint gonna not if it means that someone can put me up for say 20fsp bounty so that about 40 people all take the bounty on AND i will lose xp in the process ????? no thanks


i will be attacking ppl like you :) cause you are afraid of pvp and if your guild retaliates i can delevel them :)
and you are wrong about me always agreeing with hoof the only thing you guys dont understand is in order for this game to exist he and game developers need to make $$ but i have disagreed with him plenty of times especially when they nerfed pvp couple of times and i believe my thread "Hoof are you out of your mind " when he tried to change the auction structure right after last legendary event was not very biased towards hoof and co.
And when i started out in this game there was no free offers, no auction house, no maps, 5 available buildings no legendary equipment, guild could only have 20 members in it, you could lose 10% of your lvl to a 100 sta pvp attack (from a person 5 lvls above you as well as below you), and you lost about 10 times as much xp from monsters as you do now and the game was fun and challenging. So please dont talk to me how you think the game is unfair just because you not making your next lvl fast enough.
And if you dont have free offers then 90% of ppl who play this game will simply quit and fsps will cost 100k+ gold (go take an economics class to fgure that one out) And when you have nothing to work for the game is not fun.
And once again if 20 ppl want to spend all their stamina and time deleveling you you are doing something wrong :) and desrve the beating



your entitled to your opinion BD but i'm not afraid of pvpi love it i regulary smash people for gold and fight my enemies without any worry but like i said this game is f**ed up its own arse now changing the rules every 5 mins - making rules then changing them anyway you wont be able to attack me cuz i'm quitting and leaving my guild to someone else who can be arsed playing


its a developing game where game administrator actually listen to what others have to say and this is why i play it so yes alot of things change because the game has been around for only 4 months. But wasnt it you that said stop complaining and just get on with it :)

#35 fs_lordatog

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Posted 05 April 2007 - 18:47

the may do like when the did the drop in price and refund some or all of price if its changed too much.. besides they have a right to come in here and post comments as well as to why it shouldn't be changed .. but hoof has to look at what will keep game growing which sometimes calls for some major changes like all the new players have neat equipment i never had chance to get heck when frost dragons came i was already about past usefulness except for a couple pieces.. games change they are just trying to make sure its for the better by getting the gamers input through this forum... they saw a problem with xp protection and are asking how we think it should be fixed so as to keep it a usable upgrade while reducing it enough so its not abused

#36 fs_borisdrago

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Posted 05 April 2007 - 19:07

all of you who are afraid of losing 5+ lvls have almost nothing to worry about cause while it is possible in theory it is close to impossible in reality

1st if you below lvl 50 you got nothing to worry about cause you dont lose that much xp anyways

2nd you would need to have 10+ people spending 900 stamina each to sucsessfully delevel you more then 2 lvls ( only few guilds in the game can potentially do it and to only one person at a time)

you would need to steal someones guildbank to have this happen

#37 fs_kadaver

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Posted 05 April 2007 - 19:16

all of you who are afraid of losing 5+ lvls have almost nothing to worry about cause while it is possible in theory it is close to impossible in reality

1st if you below lvl 50 you got nothing to worry about cause you dont lose that much xp anyways

2nd you would need to have 10+ people spending 900 stamina each to sucsessfully delevel you more then 2 lvls ( only few guilds in the game can potentially do it and to only one person at a time)

you would need to steal someones guildbank to have this happen


i so hate it when i agree with my enemies, but oh well, what's fair is fair. borisdrago is right, deleveling that much is nearly imposibble, even for big guilds. and at the cost of 800-900 stam for each member, that is a huge price to pay... :shock: u can almost get one level with that much stamina...


i agree with the last option, as the protect xp was initially developed to protect u from getting deleveled in pve. some "players" believed it was fun hiding behind a one man guild and protect xp. this solves all the problems.. grow up, hit the ceiling, and come back...

last option is the best imho and 70 others... :)

remember, it's only a game, it's meant to be fun... ;)

#38 fs_kadaver

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Posted 05 April 2007 - 19:18

This game allows level buying, equipment forging, XP protection and of
course, PvP. So, there is no way to stop one without changing the others.

If we are challenging the permanent XP protection, we should think about
the effect of equipment crafting/hellforging, these also give permanent
advantage over other players one way or another.

I'd vote for 72hours XP protection, for it mostly suits the developers' goal,
the total chaotic world with a lot warriors(or FSP buyers). It's not about fun,
it's about money or the game business. Also I suggest that all equipments
reinforcement as well as upgrades such as backpacks be "time limited", too.
Only with this way, the ones donating the most win for sure.


why keep it free then? sorry for the double post... :oops:

#39 Hoofmaster

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Posted 05 April 2007 - 19:25

not about fun,
it's about money or the game business


Um no - it is about fun and improving the game experience.

Its also about preventing features such as Protect XP being abused. My prefered option is the 4th one - ie. don't make it work for bounty kills.

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Posted 05 April 2007 - 19:49

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