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Official Suggestion: Protect XP Change (Second Try!)


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  1. Change Protect XP to 75 FSPs (no time limit) (38 votes [14.90%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.90%

  2. Change Protect XP to 5 FSPs (48 hour limit) (10 votes [3.92%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.92%

  3. Change Protect XP to 5 FSPs (72 hour limit) (56 votes [21.96%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.96%

  4. Change Protect XP so bounty kills can still reduce XP (ie. ignores Protect XP) - (same cost and no time limit) (151 votes [59.22%])

    Percentage of vote: 59.22%

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#41 fs_borisdrago

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Posted 05 April 2007 - 19:50

all of you who are afraid of losing 5+ lvls have almost nothing to worry about cause while it is possible in theory it is close to impossible in reality

1st if you below lvl 50 you got nothing to worry about cause you dont lose that much xp anyways

2nd you would need to have 10+ people spending 900 stamina each to sucsessfully delevel you more then 2 lvls ( only few guilds in the game can potentially do it and to only one person at a time)

you would need to steal someones guildbank to have this happen


Ok thats just 1 bounty on said 1 day. I bounty hunt everyday 3-5 different people. Said 3-5 people have the potential to put 10 bounties on my head... Thats just 1 day...


potential yes but relity no even if someone puts 30 bounties on you no one in their right mind will spend all their stamina attacking you daily unless they have a damn good reason

#42 fs_borisdrago

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Posted 05 April 2007 - 20:20

methos you got problems with math
you lvl 33 i can get you for maybee 600 xp loss with each 100 stamina attack wich means to bring you down 60000xp for you to lose 2-3 lvls it would take 100 attacks with 100 stamina and 1000 atacks with 10 stamina
wich would mean that a 100 ppl doing bounties at the same time on you or 10 ppl spending their daily stamina gain to get at you. Who is going to do that?

what usually happens unless a bounty is extremely large you get one maybee 2 ppl for each bounty attacking you and you lose a total of max 1200 xp per bounty at your lvl that you can regain with 100 sta easily
so you would need 50 bounties on you at the cost of at least 3300x50=165000 gold to delevel you 2-3 lvls and that is if ppl even want to take a 3300 gold bounty

#43 fs_borisdrago

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Posted 05 April 2007 - 20:24

As a pvper and a heavy user of protect xp I can look at this from both sides.

I suggest that Protect xp has no time limit but against PVP it only acts as a reduction (say 20%) remember bounty hits are for more xp than a normal hit so protect xp could just cancel this out.

I also think that the bounty system needs changing slightly. Each hit should also allow you to retal against the person that hit you. Therefore I think you should be able to collect on your own bounties, someone beats u to it they get bounty but you win you have the satisfaction of a retaliation as well as not paying the bounty, again the protect xp can lessen the damage done.


i agree as well that you should be able to retaliate at your attackers bounty or not (dont care bout collecting bounties) no matter their lvl

#44 fs_ssgtm

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Posted 05 April 2007 - 20:33

option 4 is the best

#45 TORCH

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Posted 05 April 2007 - 20:38

I think that if you MUST change it then the only viable change is the final option!! please stop over fixing the game!! the whole reason for protect
xp is to PROTECT XP!!! either delete it completely or leave it alone!

I realize many war mongering pvpers hate it as they cant delevel people,
but tuff! they have the same option!!!

#46 fs_borisdrago

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Posted 05 April 2007 - 20:55

I think that if you MUST change it then the only viable change is the final option!! please stop over fixing the game!! the whole reason for protect
xp is to PROTECT XP!!! either delete it completely or leave it alone!

I realize many war mongering pvpers hate it as they cant delevel people,
but tuff! they have the same option!!!


most of the complaining comes from ppl who dont pvp rather then the other way around

pitspawn attacked me couple of times but i soon outleveled him and he couldnt win with the orbish rune anyway so it was a waste of stamina for him

if person doesnt lvl up you can outlevel him if they are lvlng up you can always get them when they leveled up

#47 fs_borisdrago

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Posted 05 April 2007 - 20:56

Personnely I don't like being attacked by stronger players and having all my hard earned exp. and gold stolen from me. The PVP feature is the only thing I hate about this game. There should be an opt out of PVP for those who just want to run the quests and kill the in-game creatures. If other players keep attacking me and stealing my stuff then I will just have to take my donations to another site. Signed, Mad Ass Hell Over PVP!!!!!!!!!!!


if you dont want to get attacked go out and lvl and dont carry lots of gold on you and dont pvp

#48 fs_soccerboy5

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Posted 05 April 2007 - 21:22

I say it should be 5 FSP with a 72 hour time limit but people can still PVP you to lose XP

#49 Thoran

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Posted 05 April 2007 - 22:10

I vote for:
"Change Protect XP so bounty kills can still reduce XP (ie. ignores Protect XP) - (same cost and no time limit)"

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#50 fs_borisdrago

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Posted 05 April 2007 - 23:44

I agree with choice no. 4

But there is one thing that I think is very important and need to be down before we change the rule of exp protection system is that:
** the player who is killed by bounty kills should not able to put a bounty on the player who take the bounty.

if we don't change this, who want take the bounty and finish that?

this is really important if we want reduce the attack between players.

1. bounty kill should not be able to be put a bounty.
2. exp protection should not protect the player who is been bounty kill.


i will take the bounty cause if someone attacks me i can always put bounty on them
thats how its supposed to work

#51 fs_borisdrago

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Posted 05 April 2007 - 23:46

imo there should be MORE attacks between players.. cause PvP sucks atm and not many people pk.. the protect xp should maybe be even more cheaper than it is now? that would be like THE best idea ... it should work the same way as it does atm but cost like 5 - 10 fsp


no what you are sayiin there should be more ways for you to steal $$ without being punished by thouse you stole the gold from

#52 fs_geoff

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Posted 05 April 2007 - 23:52

72 hours is a bit short...

make it one week, full protection, 25 FSPs...

#53 fs_geoff

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Posted 05 April 2007 - 23:55

because if it were that bounties could still take XP, protection from ur guild would be ruined.
if one of my guildmates is attacked, i want to retaliate on their behalf. this leaves me with a bounty on my head. if i cant protect myself here, then protecting any gujildmates would lose me more than the original attack took!

#54 fs_borisdrago

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Posted 06 April 2007 - 00:58

no one is going to have enough patience to smash anyone to lvl 1 or past 2-3 lvls and nothing stoping you and your guildies from retaliating the most i have seen someone being deleveled is 3 full levels when 10 ppl from same guild wasted 8000+ stamina and people who pissoff 10+ ppl enough to have them spend all that stamina to delevel a person deserve what they get.

currently ppl with no xp protect (like me ) pvp all the time and thats not a problem

ppl take bounty on you and move on

you lose some xp

my guild has deleveled total of 3 ppl and it was to prove a point to someone who was being an A**hole

no one wants to spend a day worth of stamina for limited ammount of reward

i can gain a lvl with a 1000 stamina and it would take 10 ppl working together to delevel me who each run risk of me doing the same to them

#55 fs_geoff

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Posted 06 April 2007 - 01:23

how it always ends up for me:
guildmate getting absolutely smashed.
guildmate asks for help.
i go in, smash the attacker. there's the revenge. i'm happy with that.
attacker makes a bounty on me.

9/10 cases here, AT LEAST 5 ppl accept it. all hit me, none listen when i tell them that someone else already has X kills infront of them, so i get hit many times.

1 time outta 10, it'll just be done by one player, and i only lose a few K xp.

and that's for 1 attack!
if more than one guild member wants revenge, i'll protect xp and hit them all.
i have always gotten a bounty from every attack ive ever done in retaliation.


if i cant protect myself, how the hell can i protect my guildmates!?

#56 fs_dragonboi

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Posted 06 April 2007 - 01:38

Change Protect XP so bounty kills can still reduce XP (ie. ignores Protect XP) - (same cost and no time limit)
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i personally love that option, so in case a guild goes to war! the enemy will suffer! even if they lock exp :twisted:


make em waste fsp for nothing :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: (OMG!!! THAT IS EVIL!!) :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

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Posted 06 April 2007 - 01:45

most of the complaining comes from ppl who dont pvp rather then the other way around

if person doesnt lvl up you can outlevel him if they are lvlng up you can always get them when they leveled up


first off, I am not complaining!! and secondly I am a pvper at times, and
just yesterday attempted 2 bounties on your second wavers!!

I just really like the fact I can protect my xp! and not worry about your guys all hitting me 9 times a day for as long as you like!!! if protect xp
has ANY time limits, or is invalid during bounties, then it is pointless!!
and should just be removed all together!!

#58 fs_borisdrago

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Posted 06 April 2007 - 01:51

i gues its how you react to a bounty on you most ppl ask me if they can take my bounty and half of the time share proseeds so maybee im spesial and torch if you ever take a bounty on me and use 10 stamina attacks ill never bounty you unless you annoy me (but use 100 stamina atacks and you a** is grass :)

#59 TORCH

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Posted 06 April 2007 - 02:18

i gues its how you react to a bounty on you most ppl ask me if they can take my bounty and half of the time share proseeds so maybee im spesial and torch if you ever take a bounty on me and use 10 stamina attacks ill never bounty you unless you annoy me (but use 100 stamina atacks and you a** is grass :)


LOL my friend, I have never had a grudge with you or yours!! I only ever take bounties for the fsp for my guild! and my point in every post in this thread has been> if protect xp is changed at all, it will be pointless! and should just be removed!! there are people who exploit every aspect of this game, I like to remain protected!!

#60 fs_lordatog

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Posted 06 April 2007 - 02:27

the problem isn't people who use it on a regular basis to protect when they anger a lot of people.. problem is people who used 2 months ago and just sit picking people off for fun which is just plain annoying to lower lvl players and i have known a few people to quit because of these "super pkers"... sort of like the super lvl 15s with maxed out FD set back before bounties i was well passed them but i know a lot of people were pissed that there was nothing that could be done about them.. then bounty came so most disappeared.. though i think the legendary Tolmar still holds a top place in PVP...

the point is no matter what you do someone will be mad but as is its too easy for someone to set up shop at x lvl and just screw other players over for whatever twisted excitement they get out of it

best balance would be to tweak it so it prevents loss from regular attacks and reduces from BH i would say 50-75% would be fair would allow someone to try and delevel the player but would make it very hard


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