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Offical Suggestion : Kick up the fire, Hell-Forge is burning


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Poll: What do you think about the proposed Hell-Forge changes? (95 member(s) have cast votes)

What do you think about the proposed Hell-Forge changes?

  1. Don't change it, I like the Hell-Forge as it is! (11 votes [2.81%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.81%

  2. Sounds good but needs some work! (68 votes [17.35%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.35%

  3. I like the new idea's I would use the Hell-Forge way more (313 votes [79.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 79.85%

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#81 fs_matto

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Posted 31 July 2007 - 21:54

Great idea from the devs I haven't used the Hellforge in a very long time but this looks encouraging.

Ravana, your wasting your breath on Matto, he enjoys whining... and he's good at it... :lol:


lol, you again? you two should be brothers, your retorts are the exact same...

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Posted 31 July 2007 - 23:12

This is a great idea but I wanna know if we would be receiving our full FSP back for the Hellforged items i.e. 50 FSP returned for a fully forged item. Is there a chance the system could glitch and we would lose our FSP because right now I have 21 items fully forged so 21*50=1050 and I wouldn't want to lose all that FSP.

#83 fs_thelastdj

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Posted 31 July 2007 - 23:20

This is a great idea but I wanna know if we would be receiving our full FSP back for the Hellforged items i.e. 50 FSP returned for a fully forged item. Is there a chance the system could glitch and we would lose our FSP because right now I have 21 items fully forged so 21*50=1050 and I wouldn't want to lose all that FSP.


I think that we might just get the normal thing... half back.

#84 fs_crace

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Posted 31 July 2007 - 23:26

That would be the unfair option.

The only way to do it (if returning fsp) would be a full refund as the player is not choosing themselves to unforge the item (eg the item is no longer useful).

#85 fs_krypkill

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Posted 31 July 2007 - 23:27

This is a great idea but I wanna know if we would be receiving our full FSP back for the Hellforged items i.e. 50 FSP returned for a fully forged item. Is there a chance the system could glitch and we would lose our FSP because right now I have 21 items fully forged so 21*50=1050 and I wouldn't want to lose all that FSP.


Another good question is, what about forged items in guild store?

FSP goes to guild or what?

Not that I have any forged items in the store, but still an important question.

#86 fs_thelastdj

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Posted 31 July 2007 - 23:29

Krypkill is right, and I agree with crace.

We'll just have to wait and see, eh?

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Posted 31 July 2007 - 23:55

I guess make sure all of the forged items are out of the guild store

#88 fs_tyrath

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Posted 01 August 2007 - 00:01

I doubt anyone is gonna get refunds because a lot of items dont belong to people who originally forged them and other such complications...

#89 fs_thelastdj

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Posted 01 August 2007 - 00:02

I doubt anyone is gonna get refunds because a lot of items dont belong to people who originally forged them and other such complications...

Like someone else said, though they might not be the original owners, they have received the item, and it is now rightfully theirs.

#90 fs_tyrath

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Posted 01 August 2007 - 00:05

A lot of people would just make random profits out of that. Whatever your stance on the matter, I don't think the dev team will do that.

#91 fs_thelastdj

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Posted 01 August 2007 - 00:13

A lot of people would just make random profits out of that. Whatever your stance on the matter, I don't think the dev team will do that.


Then we might as well all unforge our items right now and snag the 25 FSP while we can, eh?

#92 fs_tyrath

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Posted 01 August 2007 - 00:15

A lot of people would just make random profits out of that. Whatever your stance on the matter, I don't think the dev team will do that.


Then we might as well all unforge our items right now and snag the 25 FSP while we can, eh?


I would do that. But I never found Hell Forging worth it so I havent spent any of mine on it ;)

#93 fs_thelastdj

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Posted 01 August 2007 - 00:18

Neither have I, though many of my guildmates have. If it had been 6 FSP per upgrade (and getting 3 back), I would have done it a lot more, though.

#94 fs_phool

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Posted 01 August 2007 - 00:25

I agree. I would have done it more too if it was about half the price it currently is.

#95 fs_thelastdj

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Posted 01 August 2007 - 00:27

I agree. I would have done it more too if it was about half the price it currently is.


I'd say that it should be 5 FSP... but you can't give 2.5 FSPs back. :lol:

#96 fs_ravana

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Posted 01 August 2007 - 04:18

Great idea from the devs I haven't used the Hellforge in a very long time but this looks encouraging.

Ravana, your wasting your breath on Matto, he enjoys whining... and he's good at it... :lol:


lol, you again? you two should be brothers, your retorts are the exact same...


Hardly. Cathbadh's was much briefer than mine. :lol:

And you're still avoiding making any substantive response. But, if Cathbadh's correct, I shouldn't be holding my breath. Which I'd pretty much already discerned on my own... nice to have it confirmed by such a reputable poster, though.

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Posted 01 August 2007 - 05:38

The developing team needs to tell us if there is a chance the FSP could be lost and what kind of refund we will get because if we are getting 50% back but it might be lost I will unforge my items asap

#98 fs_matto

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Posted 01 August 2007 - 06:19

Great idea from the devs I haven't used the Hellforge in a very long time but this looks encouraging.

Ravana, your wasting your breath on Matto, he enjoys whining... and he's good at it... :lol:


lol, you again? you two should be brothers, your retorts are the exact same...


Hardly. Cathbadh's was much briefer than mine. :lol:

And you're still avoiding making any substantive response. But, if Cathbadh's correct, I shouldn't be holding my breath. Which I'd pretty much already discerned on my own... nice to have it confirmed by such a reputable poster, though.


lol, i don't know what you'd be waiting for as i already said i'm done trying to express my opinion...

and you can listen to catbath all you want, he's still holding a grudge because i took offense to his unprovoked mockery, and upon further mockery informed him that if i ever had the chance to de-level him i would... yeah, sounds like a reputable poster to me too, though i guess i too would find someone who agrees with me on an internet forum to be more reputable than someone who doesn't...

though honestly, i don't see what your problem is... i have no problem with someone disagreeing with one of my ideas or posts, but why make it personal? why attack me verbally? why question my sense of decency? why take offense when i disagree with you? why bother? is it boredom? do you not get out much? i mean seriously, what makes a grown man jump on a game forum with a bunch of teenagers and college students to get his rocks off insulting and verbally attacking other players? and if this offends you, so be it, cause as far as i can see, nothing in my original post provoked you to try and belittle me and insult me, yet you did anyway, and have continued this nonsense over the course of multiple days... i guess it's useless assuming you will let it go, so i will have to refrain from posting further about this topic, which saddens me as i'd like to contribute to this new idea, but i'm now discouraged to do so, and seeing as you have a potential new ally in your proverbial pissing contest, i will just let it go...

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Posted 01 August 2007 - 14:59

I highly agree with the proposed changes. The only thing that I would suggest is that make earlier % changes, like a slight increase at lvl 50 and then another at lvl 100.

#100 fs_ravana

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Posted 02 August 2007 - 01:27

yeah, sounds like a reputable poster to me too, though i guess i too would find someone who agrees with me on an internet forum to be more reputable than someone who doesn't...


Actually, I was basing that assessment on Cathbadh's other posts... the ones I've seen, at least. I have no problem with someone disagreeing with me, either. In fact, I generally welcome it as an opportunity to expand upon a topic and explore it more deeply. Without disagreement, a subject will not be explored as fully as it ought to be.

However, I do prefer such disagreements to take the form of rational arguments. I responded to the few points you made; you did not respond to my responses. Instead, you responded to everything but those—apparently, in an attempt to resolve the discussion in your favor through belittling me and my discursive skills, rather than actually addressing the subject matter itself.

though honestly, i don't see what your problem is...


Like that, for instance: suggesting (stating, rather) that I have a "problem."

i have no problem with someone disagreeing with one of my ideas or posts, but why make it personal? why attack me verbally? why question my sense of decency? why take offense when i disagree with you?


I stand on my previous responses here.

why bother? is it boredom? do you not get out much? i mean seriously, what makes a grown man jump on a game forum with a bunch of teenagers and college students to get his rocks off insulting and verbally attacking other players?


And again to ad hominem. At least you're consistent.... Though this time you are also belittling all the "teenagers and college students," suggesting that they are somehow inferior to me. As well as insulting me yet again by implying that I regard them as such.

and if this offends you, so be it, cause as far as i can see, nothing in my original post provoked you to try and belittle me and insult me


I did nothing of the sort. I merely pointed out the irony of the fact that the person objecting the most strenuously to the proposed change was one of the wealthiest players in the game... one of those best able to deal with the change. And I disputed your statement concerning the difficulty of higher-level players in gathering gold. I said nothing beyond that. You were the one who began the personal attacks. And are the one continuing them. This statement is merely another such ad hominem attempt to distract attention from the topic itself.

i guess it's useless assuming you will let it go


Ad hominem—once more. No I won't: not until you do. At least not the parts where you are launching attacks on me, rather than responding to my ideas. Convince me you are correct, and I will acknowledge it—right here in this thread. As I always do when someone convinces me of something, or corrects an error I have made.

so i will have to refrain from posting further about this topic, which saddens me as i'd like to contribute to this new idea, but i'm now discouraged to do so, and seeing as you have a potential new ally in your proverbial pissing contest, i will just let it go...


You by no means will "have" to do any such thing. Go right ahead. Contribute to the idea. You haven't been, not since your original post. If that's all you have to add, then I guess you have nothing to be concerned about. If you do have anything to add, I may disagree with it—or I may agree with it... and you do me a major disservice by not observing that I actually did agree with you on several points. Or I may not comment on it at all. Once again, you are trying to distract people from the issue by attacking me rather than addressing my points... or anyone else's: if you have something to say about those, why not add that? And you are insulting me yet again in the process, by implying that I will automatically disparage anything you say, rather than analyzing it and responding logically—assuming I respond at all. And that does "offend" me. All the more so, given that you have no evidence whatsoever to point to that would even remotely support such a claim.

If, on the other hand, you are the sort of person who is not satisfied unless he gets the last word in—I have no idea if you are or not, just mentioning it—then I hereby grant you the opportunity. Simply declare this matter closed—without making any more personal attacks on me in the process—and I will regard it so.

And as for "allies": I require none in this matter. Though I would not be so ungrateful as to fail to appreciate all support given; it is always warmly welcomed. :D


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