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#1 fs_hxcrigo

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Posted 25 February 2008 - 22:57

Ok. So this is my new suggestion. There is a system where the higher the lvl you are the higher the fsp prices become. When selling the fps on the market place, if they are sold to a lvl 10 player for 5k, the person who sold the fsp in the first place gets the amount of money they are sold for there lvl. So a lvl 10 player buys fsp from a lvl 100 palyer at 5kea. but the lvl 100 player gets 50k for each he sold to that player.

And make it so the game can identify the difference between gold sent to you from players and gold that you gain from creatures, so that you cant send your lvl 10 player friend 1mil gold to buy you fsp at the lvl 10 price. same thing for fsp as well. they identify the fsp as player sent fsp and fsp you bought. the player sent gold can be used for everything except buying fsp. IF YOU SEE ANY FLAW IN MY IDEA PLEASE NOTIFY ME!


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what happens when someone reaches lvl 500?? these fsp are gonna be soooooooooo cheap for them. and no one else is gonna be able to buy fsp but the high lvl players. tahts why the price should rise for each lvl.

#2 fs_bigbluedog

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Posted 25 February 2008 - 23:01

FLAW: By doing this, you are just bringing more gold into a game trying to find ways of getting rid of gold. Definitely NO to this idea. The MP is best high for us higher levels anyways, we sell more fsp than we buy (selling FSP for gold to forge).

#3 fs_krypkill

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Posted 25 February 2008 - 23:04

I can see this being uber complex to code.

So many permutations, gold from auctions etc. Plus locking FSP prices to levels isn't something HCS want to do I think. They're all about a "player-driven" economy in this game...

#4 RebornJedi

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Posted 25 February 2008 - 23:04

the marketplace is never going to change. it makes it so its worth being a higher level/worth playing the game more/longer. so you are actually playing for something.

#5 fs_crace

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Posted 25 February 2008 - 23:04

Points/gold gained from trades/AH sales...

Do they count or not?
If not - no one can by.
If so - there's a HUGE flaw right there.

This would not help the game at all.
It has already been suggested and it has already been explained why it would fail.

It is simple economics.

Also, one further suggestion, before you post yet more MP thoughts...

PLEASE do a forum search on the subject and see what has been already discussed.
There is a reason the MP cap was not lowered by HCS.

#6 fs_hxcrigo

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Posted 25 February 2008 - 23:04

FLAW: By doing this, you are just bringing more gold into a game trying to find ways of getting rid of gold. Definitely NO to this idea. The MP is best high for us higher levels anyways, we sell more fsp than we buy (selling FSP for gold to forge).


How is that? Everything goes on the same as it is. For High lvl palyers you will still get the same amount of gold as if you were selling them now. But say if sigi is selling fsp at 100kea. the lvl 10 player who gos to buy the, buys it at 5k and sigi still gets his full 100k

#7 fs_hxcrigo

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Posted 25 February 2008 - 23:07

Points/gold gained from trades/AH sales...

Do they count or not?
If not - no one can by.
If so - there's a HUGE flaw right there.

This would not help the game at all.
It has already been suggested and it has already been explained why it would fail.

It is simple economics.

Also, one further suggestion, before you post yet more MP thoughts...

PLEASE do a forum search on the subject and see what has been already discussed.
There is a reason the MP cap was not lowered by HCS.


no. they do count. what doesnt count is when a high lvl palyer sends 1mil gold to a lvl low lvl player the low lvl player cant buy fsp with that gold. cause they could buy lots of fsp at the low lvl price and then just send tem right back to the high lvl player. see what i mean?

#8 fs_crace

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Posted 25 February 2008 - 23:07

FLAW: By doing this, you are just bringing more gold into a game trying to find ways of getting rid of gold. Definitely NO to this idea. The MP is best high for us higher levels anyways, we sell more fsp than we buy (selling FSP for gold to forge).


How is that? Everything goes on the same as it is. For High lvl palyers you will still get the same amount of gold as if you were selling them now. But say if sigi is selling fsp at 100kea. the lvl 10 player who gos to buy the, buys it at 5k and sigi still gets his full 100k


So you are suggesting HCS become a welfare state?
You want the MP to be subsidised for players who choose not to work? :?


*goes to look for the dole queue on Krul Island*

Points/gold gained from trades/AH sales...

Do they count or not?
If not - no one can by.
If so - there's a HUGE flaw right there.

This would not help the game at all.
It has already been suggested and it has already been explained why it would fail.

It is simple economics.

Also, one further suggestion, before you post yet more MP thoughts...

PLEASE do a forum search on the subject and see what has been already discussed.
There is a reason the MP cap was not lowered by HCS.


no. they do count. what doesnt count is when a high lvl palyer sends 1mil gold to a lvl low lvl player the low lvl player cant buy fsp with that gold. cause they could buy lots of fsp at the low lvl price and then just send tem right back to the high lvl player. see what i mean?


So a guild member can get buy an item from a lower level member (thus transferring gold/fsp) - then lower member can buy lots of cheap fsps at MP - then re-trade with guild member - rinse and repeat.

#9 fs_bigbluedog

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Posted 25 February 2008 - 23:08

Because if i bought an FSP for 5k gold, and somebody else got 100k gold for that FSP, then 95k gold just got brought into the game out of nowhere. We're trying to make gold sinks, not bring more gold in.

#10 fs_hxcrigo

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Posted 25 February 2008 - 23:13

Because if i bought an FSP for 5k gold, and somebody else got 100k gold for that FSP, then 95k gold just got brought into the game out of nowhere. We're trying to make gold sinks, not bring more gold in.


why sink gold? who is this "we" who is trying to get less gold? some people like gold more than fsp. they want more gold in the game. whats more gold gonna do in the game??

#11 fs_bigbluedog

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Posted 25 February 2008 - 23:15

WE (the players) are trying to get rid of gold, because it is worthless in this game; that is why they have the rare lotto, it is there as a gold sink, same with the special auctions.

#12 fs_hxcrigo

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Posted 25 February 2008 - 23:15

FLAW: By doing this, you are just bringing more gold into a game trying to find ways of getting rid of gold. Definitely NO to this idea. The MP is best high for us higher levels anyways, we sell more fsp than we buy (selling FSP for gold to forge).


How is that? Everything goes on the same as it is. For High lvl palyers you will still get the same amount of gold as if you were selling them now. But say if sigi is selling fsp at 100kea. the lvl 10 player who gos to buy the, buys it at 5k and sigi still gets his full 100k


So you are suggesting HCS become a welfare state?
You want the MP to be subsidised for players who choose not to work? :?


*goes to look for the dole queue on Krul Island*

Points/gold gained from trades/AH sales...

Do they count or not?
If not - no one can by.
If so - there's a HUGE flaw right there.

This would not help the game at all.
It has already been suggested and it has already been explained why it would fail.

It is simple economics.

Also, one further suggestion, before you post yet more MP thoughts...

PLEASE do a forum search on the subject and see what has been already discussed.
There is a reason the MP cap was not lowered by HCS.


no. they do count. what doesnt count is when a high lvl palyer sends 1mil gold to a lvl low lvl player the low lvl player cant buy fsp with that gold. cause they could buy lots of fsp at the low lvl price and then just send tem right back to the high lvl player. see what i mean?


So a guild member can get buy an item from a lower level member (thus transferring gold/fsp) - then lower member can buy lots of cheap fsps at MP - then re-trade with guild member - rinse and repeat.


i dont understand any of that. clarify please.

#13 fs_hxcrigo

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Posted 25 February 2008 - 23:17

WE (the players) are trying to get rid of gold, because it is worthless in this game; that is why they have the rare lotto, it is there as a gold sink, same with the special auctions.


well "we" players who cant afford to buy fsp with real money, or parents dont want to spend money on a "stupid" game, rely on in game gold to buy fsp. think of someone else besides yourself. there are others who play the game.

#14 fs_majestyk

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Posted 25 February 2008 - 23:25

23:18 25/Feb/2008 To hxcrigo: Do you really believe that no one before you has suggested capping FSP-Gold prices? Come on now, you can't really think that you're the first to think of that. People have been saying 'put a cap on FSP prices' since you could buy an FSP for 3,000 gold. Get outta here.

23:19 25/Feb/2008 hxcrigo says: no you ignorant moron. the second forum i posted. ive never heard it before. so you find someone else who has said it and you get a high five.

23:23 25/Feb/2008 To hxcrigo: Dude, look at the top of the suggestions forum where it says "Frequent Suggestions (Before posting a 'new' idea read here)". One of the VERY FIRST entries mentions a price cap on FSP prices. SO MANY PEOPLE have suggested it before you the HCS moderators put it at the top of the suggestions forum so people would know to STOP SUGGESTING IT. Now, who is the moron? [high five?]

I think the above conversation pretty much encapsulates how much work and thought hxcrigo put into this whole 'new idea' before he started spouting off about it. Time to walk away from the thread and let it die.

#15 fs_majestyk

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Posted 25 February 2008 - 23:27

WE (the players) are trying to get rid of gold, because it is worthless in this game; that is why they have the rare lotto, it is there as a gold sink, same with the special auctions.


well "we" players who cant afford to buy fsp with real money, or parents dont want to spend money on a "stupid" game, rely on in game gold to buy fsp. think of someone else besides yourself. there are others who play the game.


And right now all of them have the same opportunity to buy FSPs. What you aren't thinking about is the fact that high-level players have been through the same things you are talking about for low-level players, ie. the scarcity of FSPs early on. Everyone else got through it.

#16 fs_hxcrigo

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Posted 25 February 2008 - 23:29

23:18 25/Feb/2008 To hxcrigo: Do you really believe that no one before you has suggested capping FSP-Gold prices? Come on now, you can't really think that you're the first to think of that. People have been saying 'put a cap on FSP prices' since you could buy an FSP for 3,000 gold. Get outta here.

23:19 25/Feb/2008 hxcrigo says: no you ignorant moron. the second forum i posted. ive never heard it before. so you find someone else who has said it and you get a high five.

23:23 25/Feb/2008 To hxcrigo: Dude, look at the top of the suggestions forum where it says "Frequent Suggestions (Before posting a 'new' idea read here)". One of the VERY FIRST entries mentions a price cap on FSP prices. SO MANY PEOPLE have suggested it before you the HCS moderators put it at the top of the suggestions forum so people would know to STOP SUGGESTING IT. Now, who is the moron? [high five?]

I think the above conversation pretty much encapsulates how much work and thought hxcrigo put into this whole 'new idea' before he started spouting off about it. Time to walk away from the thread and let it die.


did you even read the forum you are posting in!!???!?!?! its no longer about a cap! read for the love of god!

#17 fs_majestyk

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Posted 25 February 2008 - 23:32

23:18 25/Feb/2008 To hxcrigo: Do you really believe that no one before you has suggested capping FSP-Gold prices? Come on now, you can't really think that you're the first to think of that. People have been saying 'put a cap on FSP prices' since you could buy an FSP for 3,000 gold. Get outta here.

23:19 25/Feb/2008 hxcrigo says: no you ignorant moron. the second forum i posted. ive never heard it before. so you find someone else who has said it and you get a high five.

23:23 25/Feb/2008 To hxcrigo: Dude, look at the top of the suggestions forum where it says "Frequent Suggestions (Before posting a 'new' idea read here)". One of the VERY FIRST entries mentions a price cap on FSP prices. SO MANY PEOPLE have suggested it before you the HCS moderators put it at the top of the suggestions forum so people would know to STOP SUGGESTING IT. Now, who is the moron? [high five?]

I think the above conversation pretty much encapsulates how much work and thought hxcrigo put into this whole 'new idea' before he started spouting off about it. Time to walk away from the thread and let it die.


did you even read the forum you are posting in!!???!?!?! its no longer about a cap! read for the love of god!


Yeah, it really is. You are speaking of artificially controlling the exchange rate of FSPs to gold one way or another. It is a cap either way you shake it.

If you won't listen to anything else, here is a cut-n-paste from the 'Frequent Suggestions' sticky at the top of this forum:

Things that will not happen

price restrictions in FSP marketplace - the price is a free-market, naturally evolving value that simply cannot be restricted effectively.

Now, you said directly to me that you hadn't seen anyone else suggest such price controls. Read the above and drop the thread(s), because now you have and you know what the answer is.

#18 fs_evillove

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Posted 26 February 2008 - 00:13

FLAW: By doing this, you are just bringing more gold into a game trying to find ways of getting rid of gold. Definitely NO to this idea. The MP is best high for us higher levels anyways, we sell more fsp than we buy (selling FSP for gold to forge).


You know this made me think of something, take Wall Street. Stockbrokers sell shares and buy shares in vast amounts, right.

The public can also sell/buy shares, however do they get a handicap just because they are not high level of education of how shares can be bought and sold.? No.

This could be compared to the MP, take high leveled players they buy and sell for high, that is how they make profit. Low leveled players can also do this but in less amounts. It is how the world goes, not everyone can get the equal amounts of what the other on different levels within the game can.
Although yes it rather depends on how you get the FSP's some low lvls donate, but that's not the point.

#19 fs_hxcrigo

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Posted 29 April 2008 - 04:07

This is pretty darn old.
Let's see what FS has to say to it this time around..
BUMP!

#20 fs_angiefc

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Posted 29 April 2008 - 04:28

the biggest flaw i see are people making low level friends, sending them the gold and using them to buy massive amounts of FSP then send it back. I know some people who are low level who could do that for me in this case.


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