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  1. YES !! I want to reduce risk for all kind !! (5 votes [33.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

  2. NO !! I dont want ppl to know what person i am !! (5 votes [33.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

  3. NO !! I dont want ppl to know i scam and trick other ppl !! (5 votes [33.33%])

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#1 fs_badjoe

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Posted 26 February 2008 - 01:52

Ok i though that what if we could have a rating system to see what kind of a person he is. For example Me and Cadel (were friends, check my bio) :

Cadel
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*Good Points*
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O Great Supporter (From badjoe)
O Always buffs me (From badjoe)

*Bad Points*
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O Sometimes ignores me all day (From badjoe)

badjoe
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*Good Points*
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O Kind and honest player (From Cadel)
O Deposits golds daily (From Cadel)

*Bad Points*
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O Sometime a bit buff demander (From Cadel)
O Impatient player (From Cadel)

Heres some examples as checklist for good or bad points (the cows can add others if not mentioned here :

Loyalty : To show how much he spend online
Contributer : To see how Golds and XP he contributes to the guild
Guild Buffer : To see if he shares he shares his buffs with the guilds or not if they know they have the skill he needs or not.
Guild Item : To show that if he has a guild property and went to another guild. If he returns the item then hes a trustworthy person, if not then label him as a thief to prevent him from joining other guilds.
Business : To show if he is really do business with other or scams everyone
PvP : To show if hes an honest PvP hunter so ppl can ask him to finish your bounty or label him as PvP jerk if he keeps attacking you.
SE Hunter : To show that he is honest player that WOULD pay for SE location, and if he scammed you then he will definitely lose if he gets a bad point on this one
Others : To show other things aside from the above.


Well i guess you get the idea. So what do you think of this idea ? It can benefit us alot like if he/she trustworthy player or if he/she actually pay for SE location and etc... you get the idea......

#2 fs_majestyk

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Posted 26 February 2008 - 02:21

A reputation score? Like on XBox Live? That could be interesting. I'm a five-star on there. I don't think I'd make it that high on this game...lol

#3 fs_krypkill

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Posted 26 February 2008 - 02:21

Yeah, it was suggested before.

Has potential but likely to turn into a flood of support tickets.

#4 fs_patriotsp

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Posted 26 February 2008 - 02:32

interesting idea i like it

#5 fs_ditchdraij

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Posted 26 February 2008 - 04:22

interesting idea....but agree that has very high potenitall for flooding support......

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this person keeps giving me bad ratings....especailly if you pvp a whiner....

#6 fs_mags

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Posted 26 February 2008 - 05:10

i generally like the idea of a reputation system, however it would only work if it was game controlled... ie, the ability to rate a player could only happen after a specified transaction. since the majority of actions (pays for SE locations, buffs, etc) are conducted privately (no secure trade system in place) then the approach is not feasible.

the ability to rate people for anything opens the floodgates far too much and can negatively affect players and game support.

until implementation can be tweaked to a system that isn't based on immaturity, payback or just for the sake of it, then i can't see how it will be effective.

#7 spidey101

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Posted 26 February 2008 - 06:15

sorry, sounds kinda lame imo. It would just be a popularity contest.

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Posted 26 February 2008 - 07:29

bad idea this can be easily be abused

#9 fs_badjoe

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Posted 26 February 2008 - 11:17

Has potential but likely to turn into a flood of support tickets.


interesting idea....but agree that has very high potenitall for flooding support......

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this person keeps giving me bad ratings....especailly if you pvp a whiner....


Ok we could make a person vote once every week per person. This way no one can flood

sorry, sounds kinda lame imo. It would just be a popularity contest.



Ok then i guess i will remove the rep system.

#10 fs_majestyk

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Posted 26 February 2008 - 12:00

I'm going to reiterate that I think this is a great idea, notwithstanding the people whose only contribution is 'This is baaahhhdd, it will be abused' without explaining how. If a player rating system was in place, it would be great to be able to vote down shoutbox spammers, PVP jerks, and all-around mean and slimy people. There are a bunch of threads on here written by people who've gotten stiffed on buffs or trades or whatever, so I think it would make an excellent warning system if you could see that a person had only 2 out of 5 stars, or alternately that they had a bunch of negative marks, that you might not want to deal with them.

#11 fs_badjoe

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Posted 26 February 2008 - 12:03

I'm going to reiterate that I think this is a great idea, notwithstanding the people whose only contribution is 'This is baaahhhdd, it will be abused' without explaining how. If a player rating system was in place, it would be great to be able to vote down shoutbox spammers, PVP jerks, and all-around mean and slimy people. There are a bunch of threads on here written by people who've gotten stiffed on buffs or trades or whatever, so I think it would make an excellent warning system if you could see that a person had only 2 out of 5 stars, or alternately that they had a bunch of negative marks, that you might not want to deal with them.


yes YES , exactly what i was thinking, this is what this thread is about.

#12 fs_krypkill

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Posted 26 February 2008 - 12:40

I'm going to reiterate that I think this is a great idea, notwithstanding the people whose only contribution is 'This is baaahhhdd, it will be abused' without explaining how. If a player rating system was in place, it would be great to be able to vote down shoutbox spammers, PVP jerks, and all-around mean and slimy people. There are a bunch of threads on here written by people who've gotten stiffed on buffs or trades or whatever, so I think it would make an excellent warning system if you could see that a person had only 2 out of 5 stars, or alternately that they had a bunch of negative marks, that you might not want to deal with them.


I can't understand how you feel that the way in which this could be abused needs to be explained.

You mention shoutbox spammers, PvPers. How do you plan to regulate that? People could just vote for anyone who posts on the SB because they don't like them, anyone who attacks via PvP would instantly get bad ratings despite the fact it is part of the game and not deserving of a bad reputation.

I could create a few multis and spam someones account with bad ratings just to be an ass.

Mags mentioned the only way it would work is if it was like Ebay, you can only rate after a transaction. In which case 90% of the things you would want to give bad ratings for you wouldn't be able to. Since almost everything takes place via secure trades.

Suffice to say, I have seen a long discussion on this before which the cows did comment on, and the outcome was that it didn't happen. I doubt this thread will change opinions.

#13 fs_majestyk

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Posted 26 February 2008 - 13:29

I'll post the content of two PMs I made to the thread starter:

I think this is a wonderful idea. I think they ought to implement it, but take it further such that you could specify what you were doing as a positive or negative. For example, if I buffed someone and they didn't pay, I could say that specifically by picking it from a checklist. Later, others could check that person's profile and see they had a bad mark, and that it was because a complaint had been made about a trade of some kind. I think there ought to be consequences as well, in that if someone constantly spammed the shoutbox and got 100s of negatives, they could be barred from using it entirely. I know people would say that elite hunters would just mod down other elite hunters, but I think the tipping point would be the RATIO of good marks to bad. Anyone that sold a SE location to one of those people successfully could go and rate them positively, which would even out one bad mark. Obviously HCS could make it where I couldn't bad mark you for the same reason more than once. Keep up the thread and see if HCS listens.

Feel free to steal my thoughts on that. Just by specifying that a balancing system would be in place would go far to possibly convince people it'll be a good idea.

Beyond that, I'm sure that there could be certain actions that could be excluded from ratings. To keep the PVP swinging dicks happy, it could always be made that you couldn't down-rate someone just for whacking you...the bounty board keeps up with that.

However, anything to do with trading or guilds or whatever would be invaluable. If I were you I'd bring up something about guild-hoppers and giving guilds the ability to down-rate someone who hops into and out of guilds just looking for the next handout. You could be sure that if someone had 10 'tends to quit guilds quickly' negatives, they probably wouldn't get any invites to new guilds.

I mentioned the parallel to XBox Live in the first response on that thread, and one aspect of Live could be included as well. Generally, there are a lot more positive reasons given to rate someone than negative ones. If people thought they'd be down-rated into an abyss just because they got a powerful guild mad at them, it would always be possible to rate a positive on someone for just being a nice person or helping a newbie or donating stuff to the guild. If someone's rating included ten ways to up-rate them and four ways to down-rate them, AND a balancing system was in place, it wouldn't be difficult for people who were the object of vendettas to counter-balance the negative effects. It could also be implemented that a given person couldn't rate another person for a given reason more than once...there is no reason why I'd have to down-rate someone for reneging on a buff deal. If I was stupid enough to let them do it to me twice then I don't deserve to down-rate them again.

Keep in mind those are basically cut-n-pastes of a continuing conversation without the other guy's part in the middle. Yes, there are probably duplicate thoughts...get over it.

One final comment in this posting: If anyone here has played on XBox Live, they have a community ratings system that seems to work okay. You have the ability to rate anyone you play with on either positive or negative reasons. There are more positive reasons than negatives, and most people get by okay. I trash talk just like anyone else, and I play dirty sometimes, but I'm still a five-star on there. A community ratings system can work...it already does in other venues.

#14 fs_evillove

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Posted 26 February 2008 - 20:29

You mention shoutbox spammers, PvPers. How do you plan to regulate that? People could just vote for anyone who posts on the SB because they don't like them, anyone who attacks via PvP would instantly get bad ratings despite the fact it is part of the game and not deserving of a bad reputation.


That is why i am not agreeing with this suggestion. PvP, is something that is already dieing a little. Apart from the people who i admire, that appear on the BB nearly everyday, because they are keeping PvP alive.

These people are likely to get a bad reputation....from those who do not think further from the narrow point that they see. Although I have bountied those that attack me, it is also part of what happens in fallensword.....

....I don't agree to be constricted by a reputation status, due to the initially looked upon actions that we do.

I am a bounty Hunter, I use to take bounties everyday and never able to complete any of the. Though I enjoy them either way....would I get negative feedback, I think I probably would.

This is not based on me I know, and this status recording seems to add positive feedback too. This still does not give me the reason to agree.

I could create a few multis and spam someones account with bad ratings just to be an ass.


This is true, anyone could hold a small grudge of a simple PvP attack and rate this person to look as if he has done something very wrong, whereas the truth is that they have done nothing except from play the game.

Whatever the reasons, i do not agree with this.

-prevent scammers/minimise scammers, all this can reappear again, scammers are evrywhere.

-PvP-simply part of the game, 100 stam hit 10 stam hit, so what, you lose gold/PvP/experience. That is what is meant to happen.

-Only happening through transactions, and not reported on through anything, that still doesn't matter, you're still getting judged.

-Anybody can make mistakes, people realise what they've done, some realise what they've done was wrong, they want to change. Oh lets see, I don't like this person, look at what they ahve on their report. I don't like this.

-Yes Xbox live might have it, this game doesn't need it.

-It may work for that, you may have 5 stars, that doesn't tell me anything. It conveys to me that people may have been able to stop themselves from getting stars knocked off, however the procedure is carried out.

-I detest this.

-I like to play my game freely, it is okay to know if someone has been kicked or banned before, but comments are over the line.

-Whilst others have been comfortable just playing their own way, they may be pressured into doing something that they do not want to do.

-Some players are paranoid to what others think of them, even in a game. By them knowing what they do would be displayed, would cause them to do things that they don't have to do just to 'look good'.

-Although, yes it could benefit us from people who are not trustworthy, though that just labels them for all the game. When they truly want to buy/sell SE locations or do anything else, people wil avoid them. It just makes it very uncomfortable, to be known that al the time, something you do is being judged upon.

Anyhow I don't care what and how this would be carried out, and how people can report on others, this idea is horrible.

I can see, you have put thought into this for the players to minimise chances of loss and scamming days, though it is unfair to others who just want to play an online game for a bit of fun, and use a few devious tricks to get something easy, I think that is totally fine really, just as long as they don't do something dreadful and against the rules. Hey it's part of the world occurences, people cheat all the time, even if they don't want to.

Disagree with me, fine. I like my opinion.

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Posted 26 February 2008 - 20:44

As an aside, the 5-star rating on Xbox live is nonsense.

I have way more negative ratings than positive (I swear like a trooper), and still I have 5-stars. I don't think I've ever seen anyone with less than 5 stars to be honest.

#16 fs_badjoe

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Posted 26 February 2008 - 21:11

still wouldn't it help is everyone can vote 1 point a week ? This was there wont be any flooding at all.

#17 fs_majestyk

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Posted 26 February 2008 - 23:22

As an aside, the 5-star rating on Xbox live is nonsense.

I have way more negative ratings than positive (I swear like a trooper), and still I have 5-stars. I don't think I've ever seen anyone with less than 5 stars to be honest.


Ya gotta be kidding. I play with people that have 3 stars on regular occasion, but I'd prefer not to. Typically, though, those people are filtered out of group play and put together, which is kinda the purpose of the ratings system in the first place.

#18 fs_evillove

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Posted 26 February 2008 - 23:26

As an aside, the 5-star rating on Xbox live is nonsense.

I have way more negative ratings than positive (I swear like a trooper), and still I have 5-stars. I don't think I've ever seen anyone with less than 5 stars to be honest.


Ya gotta be kidding. I play with people that have 3 stars on regular occasion, but I'd prefer not to. Typically, though, those people are filtered out of group play and put together, which is kinda the purpose of the ratings system in the first place.



*Cough* That is exactly why I reject to this matter. We don't want to 'neglect' players, and shove them in a group.

Look it's an open game, scammers can grow fond of peopleif they are given a chance. So just drop this please, we want to encourage players not push them away. I certainly would become less fond of this game, if I was being rated all the time.

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Posted 27 February 2008 - 12:44

If you all think this idea is abusable and not good, then why not give me any ideas on how to prevent them from being abusable. 1 vote per week does seem ok to me but what other tweaks would you recomment on this idea ?

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Posted 01 March 2008 - 14:31

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