Renting out your items
#21
fs_me94555221
Posted 23 April 2008 - 02:04
EDIT: plus not only that, legend items are dirt cheap right now so stop complaining.
#22
fs_ishy7
Posted 23 April 2008 - 05:56
if you can't afford the legend sets, then don't use them. as i said before, they are not required to 1 hit at the earlier levels and after level 186, it is impossible to 1 hit no matter what equips you have, except for undead levels and even those, legend sets are not very useful since you're trying to pack as much damage as possible and legend sets don't give the most damage, sorry to say.
EDIT: plus not only that, legend items are dirt cheap right now so stop complaining.
Or if you cant afford them
Join a guild that has them.
I'm sure most guilds out there have at least 1 of ever legend set out there
so using one isn't really that much of a big deal
#23
fs_myself18
Posted 24 April 2008 - 02:51
if you can't afford the legend sets, then don't use them. as i said before, they are not required to 1 hit at the earlier levels and after level 186, it is impossible to 1 hit no matter what equips you have, except for undead levels and even those, legend sets are not very useful since you're trying to pack as much damage as possible and legend sets don't give the most damage, sorry to say.
EDIT: plus not only that, legend items are dirt cheap right now so stop complaining.
Or if you cant afford them
Join a guild that has them.
I'm sure most guilds out there have at least 1 of ever legend set out there
so using one isn't really that much of a big deal
Unfortunately, 1 set does not help when 20 people all need it at the same time. Also, while I believe guilds are a great part of fallensword, there are those that like to fly solo and this would also help them a lot
#24
fs_hxcrigo
Posted 24 April 2008 - 03:37
#25
fs_myself18
Posted 24 April 2008 - 10:23
buy items ahead of time. that easy.
Its not that easy unless you have/are willing to spend actual money and buy a lot of fsp. especially for low level players (who generally only have 3 bp slots) and 0-very little fsp can't afford to buy a 50 fsp cockatrice set or a 25 fsp lesser santork set and don't have the backpack space to hold items ahead of time either. Same with some of the higher levels also. Not a lot of people have the few hundred fsp for a steep nojor set or the 1000+ for the destroyer set. this isn't just related to SE items though because i know most of you will start going off about how you don't actually need the SE's. Remember how much the hunter set, lord valks set, plague set, deep set and a lot of the other LE's that players "pretty much" need cost before the LE. the prices will go back up and all those players will be out of luck again
#26
fs_me94555221
Posted 24 April 2008 - 21:52
#27
fs_ishy7
Posted 24 April 2008 - 21:54
if you can't afford the legend sets, then don't use them. as i said before, they are not required to 1 hit at the earlier levels and after level 186, it is impossible to 1 hit no matter what equips you have, except for undead levels and even those, legend sets are not very useful since you're trying to pack as much damage as possible and legend sets don't give the most damage, sorry to say.
EDIT: plus not only that, legend items are dirt cheap right now so stop complaining.
Or if you cant afford them
Join a guild that has them.
I'm sure most guilds out there have at least 1 of ever legend set out there
so using one isn't really that much of a big deal
Unfortunately, 1 set does not help when 20 people all need it at the same time. Also, while I believe guilds are a great part of fallensword, there are those that like to fly solo and this would also help them a lot
I really fail to see your point?
Share the set
in my guild around 3 or 4 people need the baron
what do they do?
they share it
once they are done they put it back
simple as that
Not all 20 people are on at the same time
#28
fs_ishy7
Posted 24 April 2008 - 21:55
i have said before and i will say it again, LEGENDARY EQUIPS ARE NOT NEEDED AND NEITHER ARE SUPER ELITE EQUIPS!!! if you want to use either SE or LE equips, either earn your fsp/gold and buy the equips or use the common equips. you can get by just as well using regular equips and elite sets.
#29
fs_thelastdj
Posted 24 April 2008 - 21:56
i have said before and i will say it again, LEGENDARY EQUIPS ARE NOT NEEDED AND NEITHER ARE SUPER ELITE EQUIPS!!! if you want to use either SE or LE equips, either earn your fsp/gold and buy the equips or use the common equips. you can get by just as well using regular equips and elite sets.
You're not commenting on this actual idea, you're just basically arguing that people with LE sets are stupid.
Give us a real reason why this idea wouldn't work, and "It's unnecessary" isn't a terrific reason...
Now if you said that this wasn't a bad idea but that it shouldn't be implemented ASAP, I'd understand...
#30
fs_ishy7
Posted 24 April 2008 - 21:59
i have said before and i will say it again, LEGENDARY EQUIPS ARE NOT NEEDED AND NEITHER ARE SUPER ELITE EQUIPS!!! if you want to use either SE or LE equips, either earn your fsp/gold and buy the equips or use the common equips. you can get by just as well using regular equips and elite sets.
You're not commenting on this actual idea, you're just basically arguing that people with LE sets are stupid.
No hes arguing that if you can NOT
buy and Legend or SE set
you SHOULDNT whine
Also that you dont need lengeds or SE sets to lvl up
You can lvl up as well but it will take a while longer
#31
fs_me94555221
Posted 24 April 2008 - 22:10
i have said before and i will say it again, LEGENDARY EQUIPS ARE NOT NEEDED AND NEITHER ARE SUPER ELITE EQUIPS!!! if you want to use either SE or LE equips, either earn your fsp/gold and buy the equips or use the common equips. you can get by just as well using regular equips and elite sets.
You're not commenting on this actual idea, you're just basically arguing that people with LE sets are stupid.
Give us a real reason why this idea wouldn't work, and "It's unnecessary" isn't a terrific reason...
Now if you said that this wasn't a bad idea but that it shouldn't be implemented ASAP, I'd understand...
hahaha, very funny. why the heck would i call myself stupid? i'm giving reasons as to why this idea shouldn't be implemented. and i'm saying it is a bad idea.
#32
fs_coyotik
Posted 25 April 2008 - 11:46
I voted no.
PROS:
- Lower level players would be able to get more desirable sets if they can't afford to pay the really high prices (its easier to pay the 7 fsp to have it for a week than the 120 to buy it)
It's easier, but not sensible. After a week, you are 7 FSP down and no item.
You may be 7 fsp down (if you decide to pay one fsp per day) but for the people that have only 20 fsp and can't afford the 250 fsp for a baron set or the 50-60 for a cockatrice set, 7 fsp is looking a lot better and much more affordable
Much more affordable maybe - but also much more stupid. Especially when talking about cockatrice. I was able to 1hit-kill the first 80 levels without any problems with common, nonforged equipment, level 100 buffs, +3 boni from guild buildings. Why buy cockatrice or baron?
Also, while it would make some profit for people who actually own the sets, it was not my main purpose to make them even more rich. My goal with this was to get players that can't afford to buy fsp and players that can't do the free offers a way to get the sets they need.
OK, two points here.
1) Even if your main purpose was NOT to make them even more rich, your suggestion would achieve that fully
2) "sets they need" - see above. You don't need cockatrice at all. You might make a good use of a baron, if the price of approximately 1 level seems worth it. (Yes, baron makes quite small difference).
On the issue of guilds, while it is great to find guilds that have everything you need and cooperate perfectly but lets face it, many of the guilds don't have those kinds of opportunities for much lower level players.
If the players decide to cooperate and donate their gold to the guild, I think that most 50+player guilds should be able to scrape together enough to survive.
Again - this renting idea is inherently bad, because while in the eyes of one player renting a baron for 7 FSP might seem a good idea, with 30 players you could actually BUY one. So, join up and share resources.
And there's the other thing - not everyone including the smallest ones can expect to have equally comfortable life. If your guild is small, ignore the baron and spend a few levels at 80% leveling speed, it's not such a big deal.
I think that officially supported renting would be very bad for the game, shifting wealth to the top - there's enough of it already.
#33
fs_finite
Posted 25 April 2008 - 16:51
P.S. I have never used a super elite set in my life...
#34
Posted 25 April 2008 - 16:57
3.) When listed the items would remain in your backpack until they are actually rented out by someone (this would prevent users from using this as extra storage space like many do with their mailbox)
=> yet it still is the same ..., instead of me having 10 items in my bp taking up 10 slots i just rent out the items cheap, they then go out of my bp => and I even earn on it...
don't like this idea
#35
Posted 25 April 2008 - 17:15
mind i remind you all that legend sets are not a necessity to leveling? you can get to the top with just elite sets or even just random equips picked up off elites and other creatures.
Many people enjoy using them, though.
Many people also don't use their head when leveling up and just think as it states legendary they can kill everything with it.
There surely will be players who used a KAX set to hunt ...
@Creator of thread about the cost.
=> expensive items right now??? I really, really don't get that fact... you could have bought all the lower legendary sets for hardly any fsp.
if I look back in time LE-sets where expensive they surely ain't now..., you could have bought a deep set for maybe 300-400k gold that's 4 fsp... a set that can be used for ALOT of lvl's, mancrusha the same, tarbida and hunter set ... all the same
I'll tell you some prices I needed to pay if I couldn't hunt it when they first came out DEEP SET 400-600 fsp, MANCRUSHA 1200 FSP, TARBIDA 900 FSP => that's expensive
About the LE-sets and SE-sets?
Cockatrice => you can easily one hit without it, baron => advantage over some level's, samurai => no advantage; steep => some levels, destroyer some levels; triclopse => haven't heared of any actual advantage; xinderoth => no idea
you see it's really not necessary to have used all the LE and SE sets ingame, towards lvl 80 it's possible to get without a problem, (I even didn't use a LE-set before I was lvl 120 (they didn't exist)) and I perfectly one hitted all but one lvl.
#36
fs_myself18
Posted 04 May 2008 - 21:42
mind i remind you all that legend sets are not a necessity to leveling? you can get to the top with just elite sets or even just random equips picked up off elites and other creatures.
Many people enjoy using them, though.
Many people also don't use their head when leveling up and just think as it states legendary they can kill everything with it.
There surely will be players who used a KAX set to hunt ...
Seriously doubt it. level 150 will know better
if I look back in time LE-sets where expensive they surely ain't now..., you could have bought a deep set for maybe 300-400k gold that's 4 fsp... a set that can be used for ALOT of lvl's, mancrusha the same, tarbida and hunter set ... all the same
I'll tell you some prices I needed to pay if I couldn't hunt it when they first came out DEEP SET 400-600 fsp, MANCRUSHA 1200 FSP, TARBIDA 900 FSP => that's expensive
1200 fsp for mancrusha, 400-600 fsp for deep, my point exactly
#37
Posted 04 May 2008 - 22:06
mind i remind you all that legend sets are not a necessity to leveling? you can get to the top with just elite sets or even just random equips picked up off elites and other creatures.
Many people enjoy using them, though.
Many people also don't use their head when leveling up and just think as it states legendary they can kill everything with it.
There surely will be players who used a KAX set to hunt ...
Seriously doubt it. level 150 will know betterif I look back in time LE-sets where expensive they surely ain't now..., you could have bought a deep set for maybe 300-400k gold that's 4 fsp... a set that can be used for ALOT of lvl's, mancrusha the same, tarbida and hunter set ... all the same
I'll tell you some prices I needed to pay if I couldn't hunt it when they first came out DEEP SET 400-600 fsp, MANCRUSHA 1200 FSP, TARBIDA 900 FSP => that's expensive
1200 fsp for mancrusha, 400-600 fsp for deep, my point exactly
my point being those sets are already dirt cheap now compared to the past, during the event you could have bought all sets for maybe 25 fsp. Buy ahead, don't have enough bp? bad luck then, but legendary events are announced really soon so you can start planning.
Also you are talking about sets which in my time even weren't implemented and yet i'm a lvl 300+ player. We worked our way through there (mostly with only 2 structures no high buffs available in any way).
Sets that didn't exist in my time cockatrice, thonomoth, deep (i was lvl 119), decay, baron, kax, void, samurai. Yet I went passed those lvl's, people sometimes need to learn that the most expensive doesn't always mean the only way to get there.
In terms of baron let me put it this way: you have an ordinary car (mancrusha combined with whatever you need), which means you still can get to where you want to be. And you have the baron set, let's say it's a delux car, a bit faster but more standing since it's superelite. Both sets take you were you want to get...
people just seem to forget that there are elite sets, and common items also
#38
Posted 05 June 2008 - 05:14
This would mess with the market alot...
This would kill the AH...
I could go into specifics... and some possible solutions... but this creates more problems then any fixes that can be made to those problems... for instance... you could fix the first problem... but the second 2 you really can't... as that is the entire suggestion...
#39
fs_myself18
Posted 05 June 2008 - 05:16
This kills the need for BP/AH spaces...
This would mess with the market alot...
This would kill the AH...
I could go into specifics... and some possible solutions... but this creates more problems then any fixes that can be made to those problems... for instance... you could fix the first problem... but the second 2 you really can't... as that is the entire suggestion...
lol, I didn't think I would ever see this forum again. Would you mind rephrasing what you said. I'm not really sure what you mean by "that is the entire suggestion." perhaps I can try and clear something up
#40
Posted 05 June 2008 - 05:20
This messes with the supply factor on the AH...
This will also mess with the prices...
And now the market for the items has become f*d and the availability on the AH is also f*d...
What I want to know is why you thought you would never see me post on the forums again o.O
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