Official Poll: Marketplace Suggestions
#101
fs_koebin
Posted 04 May 2008 - 23:41
#102
fs_kveve777
Posted 04 May 2008 - 23:52
#103
fs_coyotik
Posted 04 May 2008 - 23:54
If you think that FSP price ought to be significantly lower (I do, and not for my own interests), then the logic is simple - there are four possible factors that affect the price:
1) gold influx -> steadily growing as more and more players reach higher levels. Nothing can be done on this side
2) gold sinks - add MORE of them. Potion-creation would be a good one, or anything else that is NOT a lottery.
3) FSP influx - much can't be done about it
4) FSP consumption - REMOVE the +25 stam or +1% XP upgrades - OR make those available ONLY for FSP bought with cash (if you want to preserve the option for rich folks to buy levels). These two upgrades are hurting the game the most.
#104
fs_krimino
Posted 04 May 2008 - 23:57
D = Decrease price to buy (or donate or whatever you want to call it) from HCS new fsp.
Lower price = more buyers = higher profit = more fsp in the game
Remember that this game is not a free market ... And remember the time when you received 1 gold from killing rats... with fsp at 500 k you will need to kill a lot of rats and natives to have 1 fsp... you could buy one at every 30 levels.. not bad...
The prices are high enough...
Agree with Vampire... If the donation costs is lower(or more FSPs rewards), more and more players will be affort/able to make more contribution to the game. Which in fact will lower the price of the FSPs in game(MP). Basic concept of supply and demand again. ^^
#105
fs_gatticus
Posted 04 May 2008 - 23:57
Here's a novel solution:
ADD A BUYER'S SIDE TO THE MARKETPLACE WHERE THE BUYER SETS THE PRICE!!
Good idea. This should happen regardless.
#106
fs_crace
Posted 05 May 2008 - 00:00
D = Decrease price to buy (or donate or whatever you want to call it) from HCS new fsp.
Lower price = more buyers = higher profit = more fsp in the game
Remember that this game is not a free market ... And remember the time when you received 1 gold from killing rats... with fsp at 500 k you will need to kill a lot of rats and natives to have 1 fsp... you could buy one at every 30 levels.. not bad...
The prices are high enough...
Agree with Vampire... If the donation costs is lower(or more FSPs rewards), more and more players will be affort/able to make more contribution to the game. Which in fact will lower the price of the FSPs in game(MP). Basic concept of supply and demand again. ^^
And then the game and/or HCS will fold.
Server lease and office rental costs are on the increase you know.
Inflation and recession is not just an in game thing you know.
#107
Posted 05 May 2008 - 00:10
#108
Posted 05 May 2008 - 00:17
at higher levels forging can become quite expensive, especially when it costs 300K to forge to the higher forging, at 100K per fsp, that is an additional 3 fsp to do the upgrade, at 150K per fsp, it is only two, this is a two sided equasion, and fsp isn't the only needed currency in the game,,,, anyone try to maintain a guild without any gold?? i think even at 150K per fsp is still a good deal...
#109
fs_badjoe
Posted 05 May 2008 - 00:19
Here's a novel solution:
ADD A BUYER'S SIDE TO THE MARKETPLACE WHERE THE BUYER SETS THE PRICE!!
In the long run, option B does just that. :wink:
You think 100k gold is expensive? In Gothador, USPs sell for 20-25 million gold.
That equates to 1/2 million - 625,000 gold per FSP. (Using a stamina/ap comparison)
And that economy has been pretty stable for the past year (now that the excess gold/pp from a bug has been mostly removed).
Nope thats incorrect. Sellers who sells FSP want to make huge profit out of people who having hard time saving up golds to buy FSP. Take me for example i a always buy FSP at 98k - 100k golds. If caps is removed then theres no way i will buy FSP above 125k golds. While Narex suggestion allows people to buy FSP at a reasonable price. In his case i would be asking to buy FSP at 100k - 150k golds and wait till someone sell me FSP at that price, doesn't matter how long i will wait as long as some will sell me FSP at that price.
Ok............I think your going the wrong side here crace. FSP golds is based on the area level + monster level that determines the FSP prices. While Gothador there are so many areas where monsters gold rates are fixed. I know you were in gothador for so long so im sure you knew that gothador is waaaay older then FSP and has more contents and high level monster that drops huge loads of golds. Also dont forget that theres a sock exchange that players in gothador can profit in it that Fallen Sword doesn't.
Like i mentioned above about the golds. As for the "(Using a stamina/ap comparison)" i think your missing something. In FSP players has to pay 100k to get FSP to buy +10 maximum stamina. While Gothador you could easily get AP boost from items and permanent AP boost from quest and level up. In my opinion thats TOTALLY NOT equal !!
#110
fs_badjoe
Posted 05 May 2008 - 00:40
Just an add on to my post, what the hell is the use of gold in this game anyway. I see people with millions in their banks, why? Theres no fsps to buy and short of forging equipment and running guilds (with tax not a problem now) what is the point of having a ton of gold. There isnt any point....
Gold is pretty much a useless thing in this game, bounties are small, gear is quite cheap so why the hell do people even bother selling their fsps to put more useless gold in their bank.
More gold sinks are needed, actual real helpful gold sinks that do take gold out of the game. Upgrades need to be available in gold or even worse....shudder....a Marketplace for fsps run by HCS. The best thing you guys ever brought in was the 2 fsps per day for having ads on your screen. That put real fsps into the game, was something people could opt in or out of and actually helped non US players.
Right now the market place is dead empty, why.... no one wants to sell fsps for 100k since they cant buy them for less to resell and make a profit. No one needs gold now, the hard fact is the fsp rules everything, and gold is just a waste of space nearly. Stick in a HCS market, offering fsp for 125k each but leave the player cap at 100k. That would allow players from no offer countries a place to spend their gps whilst cutting out the resellers from inflating prices even further.
Amen brother 8) ! The people who wanted to raise caps are absolutely US players and you know why they want to remove caps ? Its because even players under 18 with no credit cards or cant do phone > FSP purchase can always do the FREE OFFERS in the game to get FSP and sell it for high price and buy cheap from other people and etc....
#111
fs_crace
Posted 05 May 2008 - 00:41
When I sell FSP it is NOT to make a huge profit. :roll:Well i don't often diagree with your knowledge of HCS games but..........
Nope thats incorrect. Sellers who sells FSP want to make huge profit out of people who having hard time saving up golds to buy FSP.
While Gothador there are so many areas where monsters gold rates are fixed. I know you were in gothador for so long so im sure you knew that gothador is waaaay older then FSP and has more contents and high level monster that drops huge loads of golds. Also dont forget that theres a sock exchange that players in gothador can profit in it that Fallen Sword doesn't.
And players in Fallen Sword can use the AH to make profits.
You also seem to forget that the gold from higher level creatures in FS has been capped/culled, so it doesn't constantly increase as the level increases.
Like i mentioned above about the golds. As for the "(Using a stamina/ap comparison)" i think your missing something. In FSP players has to pay 100k to get FSP to buy +10 maximum stamina. While Gothador you could easily get AP boost from items and permanent AP boost from quest and level up. In my opinion thats TOTALLY NOT equal !!
And in FS you can get boosts from relics, structures and items - you do not have to use the +10 max stamina upgrade.
There are very few quests that give + maximum ap in Gothador.
Besides, I wasn't using that upgrade as a comparison - I was using the +25 stamina one. I think you are getting mixed up between stamina gain and maximum stamina.
1 FSP = 25 stamina
1 USP = 1000 ap
#112
fs_angiefc
Posted 05 May 2008 - 00:45
I know I've seen this somewhere else so I won't claim to have thought of it myself but it is an idea to help lower level players cause once in a while I might like to do anonomus charity and sell some one an FSP for 50K without people knowing it was me (because then you would get swamped)
Short version of how this would work, using my char as an example
**I have 70,000,000 gold in my bank.
**I want to buy FSP but there are none in the Sellers Marketplace so I go down to the Buyers market place.
**I put down I want to buy 10 FSP at 98k each.
**At the point that I accept 980,000 gold is removed from my bank and set aside in the market place
**Option A) A player comes along and is willing to sell 10 (or less) FSP at that price and accepts, they get the gold (or a part of it) as cash in hand.
**Option
--Small gold sink possibility--
**Charge 1000 gold per listing to keep some of the floods down.
**Each player gets 1 listing, additional listings can be bought for gold (50k each is a base idea) the reason for using gold here is the person is trying to get FSP not sell them, so they might have no FSP to buy more listings, plus it's another gold sink.
Personally, while I am greedy, I think option B might drive a lot of players out of the game who are already boarder line.
#113
fs_crace
Posted 05 May 2008 - 00:47

Amen brother 8) ! The people who wanted to raise caps are absolutely US players and you know why they want to remove caps ? Its because even players under 18 with no credit cards or cant do phone > FSP purchase can always do the FREE OFFERS in the game to get FSP and sell it for high price and buy cheap from other people and etc....
Wrong again, on so many levels.
A quick glance at this and previous threads would demonstrate how wrong it is.
#114
fs_narex
Posted 05 May 2008 - 00:55
Here's a novel solution:
ADD A BUYER'S SIDE TO THE MARKETPLACE WHERE THE BUYER SETS THE PRICE!!
In the long run, option B does just that. :wink:
You think 100k gold is expensive? In Gothador, USPs sell for 20-25 million gold.
That equates to 1/2 million - 625,000 gold per FSP. (Using a stamina/ap comparison)
And that economy has been pretty stable for the past year (now that the excess gold/pp from a bug has been mostly removed).
You do know I play goth and have for over 3 years, right? So I know USPs sold for 14-16M before the pp/gp bugs resurfaced. Which means the economy has yet to return to normal. Get your facts right before you start spouting off with nonsense.
You don't mention the fact that creature kills in goth generate a lot more gold per kill, and we don't have to pay for repairs. So you can't compare the prices without accounting for all the facts.
Don't make me call Skalla to work it out for me!
#115
fs_crace
Posted 05 May 2008 - 00:55
The reason the market place was created because the forum was full of people selling fsp's...
Edited for accuracy. :wink:
#116
Posted 05 May 2008 - 00:58
#117
fs_crace
Posted 05 May 2008 - 01:01
You do know I play goth and have for over 3 years, right? So I know USPs sold for 14-16M before the pp/gp bugs resurfaced. Which means the economy has yet to return to normal. Get your facts right before you start spouting off with nonsense.
They were at 20 million for well over a year before the bug was fixed. I guess your memory is lacking a little there.
BTW - Joined: 16 Mar 2006
Wow, it's 2009 already!! :shock:
#118
fs_angiefc
Posted 05 May 2008 - 01:01
#119
fs_silverwand
Posted 05 May 2008 - 01:30
Either introduce a second marketplace which allows b2b or remove the b2b option. But no matter what you do, removing the cap will destroy the game as it is in the game's interest for lots of players to have access to fsp.
When I was around level 30 I though 25k was expensive for fsp and only bought a couple.
#120
fs_strong1982
Posted 05 May 2008 - 02:40
Option B would do a great job of making the rich much, much richer unless substantial new goldsinks are added to the game. Given that major gold sinks were recently removed from the game (the lotteries) I doubt this is going to happen.
I think C. The marketplace was a bad idea to begin with.
i agree with this i think the MP lets the rich people control the fsp market and harvest money off the poor, anyways the cap right now is protecting us against people who control the markets
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