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Removing Find Item 1000 from potion list


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#1 fs_myself18

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Posted 03 July 2008 - 02:33

I'm one of the ones who think that the FI 1000 have really screwed up the game a lot

#2 Dumdude

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Posted 03 July 2008 - 02:41

I like FI 1000 potions..

But i would like them to NOT work on LE

#3 doa4life

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Posted 03 July 2008 - 04:09

I too noticed that FI1000 has hurt the game a bit as far as making some creatures autodrop LOL or so it seems. It really shouldnt be that way. I think FI250 is more than enough and the FI1000 potions should be removed. I think any potion that goes over LV500 myself is overpowered and shouldnt be in the game, however HCS seemed to think otherwise as they did release them.

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Posted 03 July 2008 - 04:14

im confused, dont understand your post.

#5 fs_onemember

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Posted 03 July 2008 - 05:07

im confused, dont understand your post.

Point was -> FI 1000 = bad to this game

#6 fs_rulen

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Posted 03 July 2008 - 06:00

to your first point, have you looked at the LE items lately? they're going up in price significantly. And the next LE probably won't be till halloween at the earliest. Secondly, the biggest problem is that the guilds have tagged most of the sets so they no longer they need them. My guild has about 8 deep sets. We don't need any more deep sets so we won't be buying them. same with mancrusha and even decay. So guilds aren't going after them like they used to. But look at the low level LEs. Raggg set which you could buy for 3 fsp during the LE and 10 up until a few weeks ago is now selling for close to 25 fsp. KAX prices are going up too with the addition of the pvp arena. Don't be too quick to blame Fi 1k for the prices. Yea it has an effect, but not nearly as big as you believe. The economics of Fallensword is one of my biggest reason for being so addicted, because while every entrance of a new item has an impact on the market, there is no sole reason for the market to act the way it does. Yes there are tons of items out there from LEs, but there are tons of Decay runes and void rings too, and empowered plague helms, but all these items remain high in price why? because people will pay it. People aren't going to buy a thonomoths set for 40 fsp when the deep set is just a few levels away and much more efficient.

As to the SE hunting. GC and Baron should be that high of a drop rate. I like the way it is and don't think it should change. Not sure why you don't use a Fi 1k on nojor or malphas as you logic makes no sense. You should use the highest potion you can in order to have more of a chance at getting a drop, but go ahead hunt SEs all you want with low FI. It just means that prices will stay higher on those items for when I get drops.

#7 fs_skylock

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Posted 03 July 2008 - 12:51

Revisit this topic when you reach level 300 and hunt for Sabertooth set. The drop rate is very low and you'll be glad there's a FI 1000. Same with EW 1000, you'll be happy that you can 2 hit kill and not 3 hit kill creatures with this potion. Of course with the Wither potion you'll 1 hit kill which is nice. If anything I would vote for some more potions like these.

#8 fs_phippsey

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Posted 03 July 2008 - 13:21

Revisit this topic when you reach level 300 and hunt for Sabertooth set. The drop rate is very low and you'll be glad there's a FI 1000.


Same with Ragnok!

#9 fs_phippsey

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Posted 03 July 2008 - 13:21

I like FI 1000 potions..

But i would like them to NOT work on LE



#10 fs_angiefc

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Posted 03 July 2008 - 13:42

I understand the concept behind them but I actually agree that the FI 1000 is a bit overkill, the most should be 500. That gives you a 50/50 chance to find an item, on top of the chance already there.

If FI does remain then definately FI 1000 should not work on LE event mobs. It really does create way too many items, plus with the small numbers of people able to get ahold of it makes it hard to do anything.

I'm not an Se hunter so I wouldn't know about the troubles when you don't get a drop, but considering that you can almost always find at least half a dozen of any given item in AH that shows there's likely too many of the sets out there, after all aren't they supposed to be 'rare'.

#11 DarthViper

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Posted 03 July 2008 - 16:57

FI 1000 is a great gold sink.

Did you know that there are likely over 2000 rouge black holes in our galaxy alone. Each of them can reach very high speeds, even in space terms, are each capable of destroying anything in their path, and are invisible. Well, goodnight!


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Posted 03 July 2008 - 22:18

I understand the concept behind them but I actually agree that the FI 1000 is a bit overkill, the most should be 500. That gives you a 50/50 chance to find an item, on top of the chance already there.


ummmm. No that's not right. If the original drop rate (for say Jaguar Meat) is 5%. FI 1000 makes it 10%. FI 500 makes it 7.5%.

The problem with the last LE event, if there was one, was the underestimation of the farming. I didn't understand why LE creatures appeared 20 deep on squares. Even without FI pots I more than filled my backpack any time I hunted for them.

I have used FI 1000 on several elites to get drop rates that make it worth hiring mercs and doing the Elite farming thing. If they (FI pots) were more rare they would only be bought by SE hunters as the price would go even higher. I think the current mix allows SE hunters to get FI and others that want it to buy it on occasion too. Probably pretty good the way it is. If they need to lower the base drop rates of some things in the game so be it. But FI 1000 only seems overpowered against high original drop rates. Maybe Baron should have raw drop rate of 20% instead of 45%+ maybe not. But most things aren't dropping 100% even with FI 1000.

#13 fs_angiefc

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Posted 03 July 2008 - 22:38

Thank you for clearing that up I thought find item added a percentage to the drop rate, which is different than increasing the drop rate by a percentage.

#14 fs_hxcrigo

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Posted 03 July 2008 - 22:59

no...this is really dumb..its one of the best gold sinks in the game.

#15 fs_angiefc

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Posted 03 July 2008 - 23:13

The one thing that has made me chuckle about this a few times is that people keep calling this a gold sink, and yet I have a feeling if one were to look at the gold that goes into buying this item and the FSP/gold one can make from drops using this item ... there would have to be a profit there somewhere, in some noticible amount or people wouldn't continue to buy it or be able to afford continually buying it.

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Posted 03 July 2008 - 23:17

The one thing that has made me chuckle about this a few times is that people keep calling this a gold sink, and yet I have a feeling if one were to look at the gold that goes into buying this item and the FSP/gold one can make from drops using this item ... there would have to be a profit there somewhere, in some noticible amount or people wouldn't continue to buy it or be able to afford continually buying it.


You make fsp/gold from other players not from the game. Hence it doesn't bring new gold into the game. It only takes gold out. If it was a lvl 1000 TH then yes it would bring more into the game.

#17 fs_rulen

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Posted 03 July 2008 - 23:20

Don't believe me.

Player A buys The FI potion for 500k gold. Gets a baron drop. worth 35 fsp or 3.5million gold. Player B who has saved up all his gold now buys the baron drop for 3.5 million gold. note however that no gold has been brought into the game just an item. Player A has 3 million more gold than he did before, Player B has 3.5 million less what he had before thus. 500k has been sunk into the game. No gold was created. The definition of a gold sink.

#18 fs_ecolitan

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Posted 03 July 2008 - 23:44

Couple things.

People that flame please look at the exchange between AngieFC and myself a few posts back. She made incorrect statement. I corrected it without being insulting. She acknowledged. No flame. No name calling. See, thread progressed from there nicely. Should happen more often. :)

Also, while Rulen is correct about it being a gold sink. That isn't, in itself, a reason to keep FI 1000 in the game if it's nerfing some other part of the game. With the exception of 2 SE's and the LE drop rates aren't out of whack. These can be addressed without taking away this potion. I can understand the reasoning behind the suggestion just don't think it would be right. In fact many of the higher level Elite, Champion, SE were devised with drop rates that take FI 1000 into account.


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