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Poll: HCS should lossen up the rules a little. (7 member(s) have cast votes)

HCS should lossen up the rules a little.

  1. yes (6 votes [60.00%])

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  2. maybe (2 votes [20.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

  3. no (2 votes [20.00%])

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#1 fs_ecofrog

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Posted 08 August 2008 - 01:54

HCS has implemented the following rules:

Hi guys.

In our ongoing fight against Scammers, it has been decided that we shall no longer allow the sale of Guilds. Far too many people are getting burnt by doing so and it causes too many problems.
Plus a Guild should be passed from one trusted member to another. It is a group of friends and allies and to just sell it to anyone for FSP seems disrespectful to your Guild Mates.

Also to help against Scammers, it is now forbidden to use the Shoutbox and FSBox to beg and borrow for Gold and FSP. Do not reply to them. If anything, we would like you to report anyone doing this. Thusly we should be able to weed out the Scammers and Conmen.

This is a result of high levels of tickets regarding these issues.

Hi all,

We've just terminated loads of accounts for begging and attempted scams. Please remember that begging for FSPs/items, selling guilds or requesting to 'borrow' FSP etc. is against the rules and will result in your character being terminated.

~ The Fallen Sword Team


HCS also banned lottos a while back.



NOW: some of those rules are good, but some of those rules are silly.

FIRST THE GOOD:
1. Lottos where people have to pay in are no good as it is easy to scam someone.
2. Selling Guilds, like selling Characters is also no good and just encourages and rewards multis and cheats.
3. Banning the use of the SB to beg is good, i mean if U have FSPs for the SB, u don't need to beg.


NOW THE BAD:
1. Phool (for example) should be able to run a contest and give away gold or FSPs. Nobody is hurt, nobody risks anything. In my old guild i ran a math and leveling competition and gave away FSPs, potions and gold for the winners. I just gave it away. Nobody risked anything and it helped build community and encouraged people to learn how to play the game well. That should be OK. If nobody has to contribute anything then nobody risks anything and nobody can get ripped off.

2. Guildmates, Real life friends, even strangers should be able to ask for gold/items/FSPs... I once lent a guild mate 800 FSPs and he paid it back, i just got paid back 65 FSPs on another loan i made. I often send gold to friends to help them with their deposit. I have sent gold to friends for them to hold it. I have often sent items to my real life brother who also plays the game. I have borrowed gold from him... Surly people have a responsibility to think before they lend... Even strangers should be able to ask for stuff. People bargain on price, people ask for credit on buffs, i just lent a guild mate 4 FSPs (what is the harm in that)... likewise i often sends noobs 2000 gold if they ask for it (politely)... doesn't hurt me and it lets them buy a sweet little infernus set... Plus i can always iggy annoying beggers (i have 4 pages now)

ANYWAY. the point.

1. HCS should allow people to run community building competitions and give away anything they want (even guilds) so long as nobody has to pay anything and therefore there is no risk.

2. People should be allowed to "beg"/ ask for assistance from their fellow adventurers in the HCS community. They may be ignored, but they should be allowed to ask. I think it is a pretty basic freedom to ask for assistance from friends, guildmates and strangers.

#2 fs_bladeboss

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Posted 08 August 2008 - 01:57

#1 I agree with

#2 Hoof said begging is only banned if you do it constantly ...

#3 DarthViper

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Posted 08 August 2008 - 03:47

#1 I agree with

#2 Hoof said begging is only banned if you do it constantly ...


Yeah, this.

Did you know that there are likely over 2000 rouge black holes in our galaxy alone. Each of them can reach very high speeds, even in space terms, are each capable of destroying anything in their path, and are invisible. Well, goodnight!


#4 fs_onemember

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Posted 08 August 2008 - 07:39

#1 I agree with

#2 Hoof said begging is only banned if you do it constantly ...

And I don't think RL friend will submit ticked it you ask some point from them 8)
No ticked, no ban....

#5 fs_b33rmast3r

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Posted 08 August 2008 - 12:26

i lent 150 fsps to a guildie yesterday.. so what? now he's gonna get nbanned cause he asked? Your way of thinking is somewhat unclear to me... It was meant for the scammers in the fsbox/shoutbox rather than guildies/friends asking in a mass/guildchat. Do you really think they keep all the gc logs and read them to find ppl asking for stuff? :D

#6 EJames2100

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Posted 08 August 2008 - 13:42

I liked Phool's lottos, always had fun with them and I had no problems donating some fsps to the prize fund :)

#7 fs_treeline

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Posted 08 August 2008 - 14:08

I have never really been sure about the whole lotto thing

the wording in the useage agreement sort of leads you in 2 different directions

Player run competitions that include, but are not limited to, lotteries, quizzes, or draws that require payment for entry are not permitted.


ok this makes it sound like as long as you don't charge anything you can run them. That seems fair, after all you can't scam a competition if you aren't charging anything. Then it follows up with:

Fallen Sword have official free to enter competitions, all others are considered against our rules and no loses incured by participating in these illegal competitions will be reimbursed by Hunted Cow Studios Ltd.


That definetly sounds like only HCS can run the competitions. It also sounds like bad grammer lol

Fallen Sword HAS not have

#8 fs_angiefc

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Posted 08 August 2008 - 14:44

I got banned for 2 days for the saturday trivia event I used to run where I gave out prizes of gold (during the bank-bank days) because I interptrided the rule about entree fees to mean that if I didn't charge it would be fine. I even submitted a ticket about it asking to make absolutely sure and still the rule changed after I started and I got banned.

Oh well live and learn. The main reason they are doing this is to try and cut down on tickets being submitted for people getting scammed.

#9 fs_bubbels

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Posted 08 August 2008 - 15:00

meh... To much control!!! Yah those messages "give me 50 fsp and I will pay you back on tuesday" in shoutbox were annoying. But I for one think that beggers and scammers have their role in any MMO society.

All we are doing here is depriving ourselves of a more diverse game, and quite frankly if you are dumb enough to fall for a scam or a beg then you deserved it! At least then you got a story to tell.

#10 DarthViper

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Posted 08 August 2008 - 15:52

meh... To much control!!! Yah those messages "give me 50 fsp and I will pay you back on tuesday" in shoutbox were annoying. But I for one think that beggers and scammers have their role in any MMO society.

All we are doing here is depriving ourselves of a more diverse game, and quite frankly if you are dumb enough to fall for a scam or a beg then you deserved it! At least then you got a story to tell.


I think it also had to do with the fact that those posts took up places for useful FS box and SB posts.

Did you know that there are likely over 2000 rouge black holes in our galaxy alone. Each of them can reach very high speeds, even in space terms, are each capable of destroying anything in their path, and are invisible. Well, goodnight!


#11 fs_bubbels

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Posted 08 August 2008 - 16:04

meh... To much control!!! Yah those messages "give me 50 fsp and I will pay you back on tuesday" in shoutbox were annoying. But I for one think that beggers and scammers have their role in any MMO society.

All we are doing here is depriving ourselves of a more diverse game, and quite frankly if you are dumb enough to fall for a scam or a beg then you deserved it! At least then you got a story to tell.


I think it also had to do with the fact that those posts took up places for useful FS box and SB posts.


I would agree if the FS box was free. But if I am going to spend 1 FSP I should be allowed to say whatever I want as long as its not offensive and fits in the small area we got. Next thing you know we will have a ban on posting pointless, but funny messages. Then someone will say that selling items outside the auction house is unfair and that those messages need to go away as well. That might seem a bit extreme, but for everything we make the devs limit in this game we are just taking one more step closer to do the above mentioned.

#12 fs_ecofrog

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Posted 08 August 2008 - 16:52

i lent 150 fsps to a guildie yesterday.. so what? now he's gonna get nbanned cause he asked? Your way of thinking is somewhat unclear to me... It was meant for the scammers in the fsbox/shoutbox rather than guildies/friends asking in a mass/guildchat. Do you really think they keep all the gc logs and read them to find ppl asking for stuff? :D



My way of thinking? it is HCS not me:


We've just terminated loads of accounts for begging and attempted scams. Please remember that begging for FSPs/items, selling guilds or requesting to 'borrow' FSP etc. is against the rules and will result in your character being terminated.



Interesting though, a guy was advertising in his bio that he was selling his character the other day, plus messaging everyone asking for FSPs for his character and he got no ban or termination... although his bio was removed...

#13 fs_saryne

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Posted 08 August 2008 - 16:56

Didn't know lotteries were banned, they were kinda fun (in another game) but then that game showed dice rolls so you'd know if you'd won or not. Not quite sure how people would work them on here.

But it seems to be a wierd ban, you can't use the fs box but you can spam every players inbox.

#14 fs_saryne

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Posted 08 August 2008 - 16:59

I have never really been sure about the whole lotto thing

the wording in the useage agreement sort of leads you in 2 different directions

Player run competitions that include, but are not limited to, lotteries, quizzes, or draws that require payment for entry are not permitted.


ok this makes it sound like as long as you don't charge anything you can run them. That seems fair, after all you can't scam a competition if you aren't charging anything. Then it follows up with:

Fallen Sword have official free to enter competitions, all others are considered against our rules and no loses incured by participating in these illegal competitions will be reimbursed by Hunted Cow Studios Ltd.


That definetly sounds like only HCS can run the competitions. It also sounds like bad grammer lol

Fallen Sword HAS not have


Fallen Sword = we. They are writing about themselves.

So, "We 'FallenSword' have blah blah."

#15 fs_b33rmast3r

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Posted 08 August 2008 - 17:42

i lent 150 fsps to a guildie yesterday.. so what? now he's gonna get nbanned cause he asked? Your way of thinking is somewhat unclear to me... It was meant for the scammers in the fsbox/shoutbox rather than guildies/friends asking in a mass/guildchat. Do you really think they keep all the gc logs and read them to find ppl asking for stuff? :D



My way of thinking? it is HCS not me:


We've just terminated loads of accounts for begging and attempted scams. Please remember that begging for FSPs/items, selling guilds or requesting to 'borrow' FSP etc. is against the rules and will result in your character being terminated.


Interesting though, a guy was advertising in his bio that he was selling his character the other day, plus messaging everyone asking for FSPs for his character and he got no ban or termination... although his bio was removed...

it is you... begging and asking a friend/guildie for a loan are 2 different things...

EDIT
Some lvl 9 still is...
Oh, was.. he's terminated now it seems :P


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