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Poll: Is this a good idea? (51 member(s) have cast votes)

Is this a good idea?

  1. Yes (48 votes [69.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 69.57%

  2. No (17 votes [24.64%])

    Percentage of vote: 24.64%

  3. I'm too rich to really mind it either way... (4 votes [5.80%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.80%

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#1 fs_williamk92

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 08:34

Why not? Great!
I voted yes :)

#2 doa4life

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 14:33

No, If you thought it was worth bidding on to start with it should be worth waiting to get your gold/fsp back.

#3 fs_evillove

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 14:51

Well, this is rather good, as people could put a significant amount of gold. (That they know will be outbidded on) And then use it as a Bank deposit....

Mostly you get more worthy Items selling for FSP, however you do get some that sell for Gold for other reasons.

So this will be handy for storing some gold quickly, besides even if you aren;'t outbidded, you could make profit, seeing as you would make sure whatever amount of gold you used to store the gold wouldn't be wasted.

And it is what it should be wait for the duration to end and then recieve what you bidded.

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 16:55

I'm for this change. I don't think it really changes the use of ah as gold hideaway. Those that do this probably choose an auction that ends when they want it to anyway so this wouldn't change much in that regard.

However, for low level players especially, it can be a benefit. Remember when you only had 500 gold. You bid 250 gold on that fancy weapon only to see someone else bid 500. Now it expires in 23 hours and you have no more gold. But, another fancy weapon comes up as buy now of 500. Why can't you buy it? Because your 250 is programmed to sit in cyberbid position until the first :20 after the auction ends.

I think the largest impact this would have would be to increase the enjoyment of the game for low levels. I agree it would also allow me to get my money off the potion I bid on and put it into another bid. But this isn't really a negative. I rarely am gold constrained so it wouldn't affect me too much but think it could be good for those low levels without much gold and losing access to it for hours at a time while they sit naked and exposed to rats and natives and other horrors.

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 19:43

Player X has 100k gold to start, and bids on an item for 50k.

Player Y has 75k gold to start, and outbids Player X with 70k.

Player X cancels his bid, gets his 50k back immediately, then goes and outbids Player Y for 80k.

Not particularly fair in my opinion.

You bid on something, you should have to wait until its over or outbid the highest bidder with your leftover gold.

And I know the OP says "those who have no interest in rebidding", but it would be really complicated to make it to where if you cancelled your bid you couldn't rebid on the same item.

It's fine the way it is, IMHO.

#6 mikkyld

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 20:19

No, If you thought it was worth bidding on to start with it should be worth waiting to get your gold/fsp back.


why?

In what auction anywhere on the planet are you required to make a bid and leave the money with them until the bids close?

#7 grimnok

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 20:20

Player X has 100k gold to start, and bids on an item for 50k.

Player Y has 75k gold to start, and outbids Player X with 70k.

Player X cancels his bid, gets his 50k back immediately, then goes and outbids Player Y for 80k.

Not particularly fair in my opinion.


You can already 'raise' without having the full amount in hand.

#8 doa4life

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 20:32

No, If you thought it was worth bidding on to start with it should be worth waiting to get your gold/fsp back.


why?

In what auction anywhere on the planet are you required to make a bid and leave the money with them until the bids close?


Fallensword auction

#9 fs_bubbels

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 21:05

Getting your money back should take just as long as the final buyer getting his item and the final seller getting his gold / fsp. So I say make failed bids return in 10 minutes, or make successfull bids take upwards of 2 days. :shock:

#10 fs_mags

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Posted 29 August 2008 - 02:42

love the idea.

since a bidder has no means to cancel the bid, the it is painfully obvious that somone who is outbid will not win the auction; therefore, the original bid should be 'liberated' and the gold returned at the time of the the player being outbid.

#11 mikkyld

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Posted 29 August 2008 - 03:38

No, If you thought it was worth bidding on to start with it should be worth waiting to get your gold/fsp back.


why?

In what auction anywhere on the planet are you required to make a bid and leave the money with them until the bids close?


Fallensword auction


Heh didnt think you'd have an answer but expected you to make one up anyway. I won that pool :)

#12 fs_ecolitan

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Posted 29 August 2008 - 14:50

It would be no different if someone met the buy now price. Your gold would come back then too.

I've commented before (other threads too) that this would be a good idea. I don't really care if it's an autoreturn (on the next :20 would be the least code-intensive way) or a click to cancel (on the next :20 it's returned again easiest code). I'm fine with either. Auto makes most sense but I would like to see either. Again, I think the largest impact is on enjoyment of lowest level players.

#13 fs_mags

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Posted 29 August 2008 - 23:36

love the idea.

since a bidder has no means to cancel the bid, the it is painfully obvious that somone who is outbid will not win the auction; therefore, the original bid should be 'liberated' and the gold returned at the time of the the player being outbid.


no, the gold/fsp should have the option of returning back to you, because you never know when you are going to be outbid, it could be when you are offline, and you instantly become a PvP target


as Ecolitan said, if the buy it now option is used by another player then you have no control when the gold will be returned. as for fsp, that isn't in the equation regarding pvp unless you know something i don't know! :)

#14 fs_deciever11

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Posted 30 August 2008 - 00:14

well yes and no

no because u would get gold back to out bid another player again

#15 fs_mags

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Posted 30 August 2008 - 01:58

are you speaking to me?

#16 fs_mags

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Posted 30 August 2008 - 02:06

love the idea.

since a bidder has no means to cancel the bid, the it is painfully obvious that somone who is outbid will not win the auction; therefore, the original bid should be 'liberated' and the gold returned at the time of the the player being outbid.


no, the gold/fsp should have the option of returning back to you, because you never know when you are going to be outbid, it could be when you are offline, and you instantly become a PvP target


as Ecolitan said, if the buy it now option is used by another player then you have no control when the gold will be returned. as for fsp, that isn't in the equation regarding pvp unless you know something i don't know! :)


ok, so whenever you get outbid and the buy now price is met, you already get your gold back at the next :20, so you do not really understand the auction house. i stand by my original post. its too risky to automatically return the gold. there should be a cancel bid button. what is so hard about clicking "Canecl Bid"?


would you mind sharing with us how "because you never know when you are going to be outbid, it could be when you are offline, and you instantly become a PvP target" equals "its too risky to automatically return the gold. there should be a cancel bid button. what is so hard about clicking "Canecl Bid"?" unless you set your phone to remind you of when long-term auctions expire it is the same thing.

perhaps i am confused. care to clarify?

(ps... my understanding of the AH isn't too shabby)

#17 fs_ecolitan

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Posted 30 August 2008 - 04:41

Poagie in your attempt to flame either Mags or me (looked like Mags from where I am) you proved us right. You said it was too risky to have gold autoreturned when you are outbid. We both pointed out that it was no different than if the "buy now" was met.

You then postured and said "whenever you get outbid and the buy now price is met, you already get your gold back at the next :20, so you do not really understand the auction house"

Which was exactly what we said. I am indifferent between auto-return or "click to return" but don't think there is that big a difference between the two as far as game play. It is a bit more risky to have it auto-returned but not that big a deal. It is the same amount of risk (and this was what Mags and I stated) as when you get outbid and the "buy now" price is met. You have no control over that (at least for the auctions you lose) and the gold can come back at the very worst time.

#18 fs_finite

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Posted 30 August 2008 - 08:45

Player X has 100k gold to start, and bids on an item for 50k.

Player Y has 75k gold to start, and outbids Player X with 70k.

Player X cancels his bid, gets his 50k back immediately, then goes and outbids Player Y for 80k.

Not particularly fair in my opinion.

You bid on something, you should have to wait until its over or outbid the highest bidder with your leftover gold.

And I know the OP says "those who have no interest in rebidding", but it would be really complicated to make it to where if you cancelled your bid you couldn't rebid on the same item.

It's fine the way it is, IMHO.


but your example makes no difference whether the system is changed or not, the good thing is that player X cn then bid on a different copy of the same item (especially if it a wither potion, without having to wait 10-15min to get his gold back. If x outibds y then it matters not whether he reclaims his gold before rebiding

#19 fs_bladeboss

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Posted 30 August 2008 - 19:19

I would like for it to stay how it is

#20 fs_mags

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Posted 31 August 2008 - 03:17

Poagie in your attempt to flame either Mags or me (looked like Mags from where I am) you proved us right. You said it was too risky to have gold autoreturned when you are outbid. We both pointed out that it was no different than if the "buy now" was met.

You then postured and said "whenever you get outbid and the buy now price is met, you already get your gold back at the next :20, so you do not really understand the auction house"

Which was exactly what we said. I am indifferent between auto-return or "click to return" but don't think there is that big a difference between the two as far as game play. It is a bit more risky to have it auto-returned but not that big a deal. It is the same amount of risk (and this was what Mags and I stated) as when you get outbid and the "buy now" price is met. You have no control over that (at least for the auctions you lose) and the gold can come back at the very worst time.


Eloquently worded.

Some people get it, others don't.


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