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Poll: Automation? (25 member(s) have cast votes)

Automation?

  1. Yes (10 votes [33.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

  2. Maybe (12 votes [40.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 40.00%

  3. No (8 votes [26.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.67%

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#1 sweetlou

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Posted 12 October 2008 - 02:39

I sell FSPs from time to time in lots of 25, 50 or even 100.

This was while the MP was dead.

The screen shot below struck me as very odd so I made it. I then consulted a high level friend who has been playing FS for 20 months. His integrity is unquestioned in my opinion. It was suggested that I report it and see what HCS says. I did!. Two weeks later no reply so I come to all the FS community for opinions.

You be the judge:

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In keeping to the rules of FS and the forum I've edited the names for their privacy to remain intact. The white edits are from one player! The two other black edits are from two others. There were more but this is as many logs that would fit on my screen shot.

The seconds are not shown in logs but I can tell you with 100% certainty this occurred within the time it took me to click from "Create New listing"(in MP) to my "log."

Most importantly it is from someone who "signed" their name to this ANTI-CHEATING thread:

http://forum.fallens... ... 704#326704

I post this not to harrass any one but to just point out that cheating is wrong. Period! Btw the code requirements to purchase FSP came out the next day after I reported this...

Now, I just like to play this game by the rules and detest those that resort to cheating. This is why I've posted this thread.

Two cents :)

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#2 Dark Archon

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Posted 12 October 2008 - 02:44

If they have the code entered and they type in 1 and press and hold enter, I'd assume it would work and allow them to get as many as they can without risking someone else outbuying them...

Wither that method would be called automation or cheating I guess is a debate that could be brought up...

This is similar to gold spamming... and it does put a bit of extra load on the game server... but so does spamming 1-8 with r when you hunt... and that is *fine* by HCS...

The question is what is right and what isn't... the answer is probably different if you ask any single person...

I'd also like to state that gold spamming, when reported seems to usually result in 1 day of temporary suspension...

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Posted 12 October 2008 - 03:16

I've seen some instances on the marketplace where large lots of FSP don't sell very quickly, so if one person types the code and hits enter, and then washes rinses and repeats, I don't see why he couldn't have done this legally.

But I'm an optimist, lol.

#4 sweetlou

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Posted 12 October 2008 - 03:19

Once again I repeat, "The seconds are not shown in logs but I can tell you with 100% certainty this occurred within the time it took me to click from "Create New listing"(in MP) to my "log."

So two more measly cents...

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Posted 12 October 2008 - 03:20

Once again I repeat, "The seconds are not shown in logs but I can tell you with 100% certainty this occurred within the time it took me to click from "Create New listing"(in MP) to my "log."

So two more measly cents...


I put maybe because im not sure i think this player was using it but wouldnt HCS allready ban them?

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Posted 12 October 2008 - 03:22

Once again I repeat, "The seconds are not shown in logs but I can tell you with 100% certainty this occurred within the time it took me to click from "Create New listing"(in MP) to my "log."

So two more measly cents...


Must've skimmed over that part, lol, sorry.

Yeah, now it most definitely looks a tad fishy.

But DA may be right, I've never tried that when buying FSP.

And I probably never will either.

#7 Dark Archon

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Posted 12 October 2008 - 04:24

Using the method I explained above I could send out pages of gold spam in about a second if not less...

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Posted 12 October 2008 - 07:11

This is similar to gold spamming... and it does put a bit of extra load on the game server... but so does spamming 1-8 with r when you hunt... and that is *fine* by HCS...


Using the method I explained above I could send out pages of gold spam in about a second if not less...


Thx for the testing DA

Gold spamming and cheating using automation to buy fsp are two totally separate issues tho.

You're hypothesizing that the same method could be used for both.

I'm no expert on how this may work. I myself use 1-8 with r when leveling myself to speed up the leveling process. But would it work to buy fsp? Now or before the code introduction? This is my question...

Two more :)

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Posted 12 October 2008 - 11:56

If they have the code entered and they type in 1 and press and hold enter, I'd assume it would work and allow them to get as many as they can without risking someone else outbuying them...

DOesn't work, just tried it. It gives 'incorrect code' message after 1st purchase.

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Posted 12 October 2008 - 12:11

I see it was before the code was added, so it would be easy to buy that many FSP that quickly, they would of jus entered 1 in the quantity to buy, then kept clicking "Buy" before the page refreshed..

I done that plenty of times before the code, so I know it works :)

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Posted 12 October 2008 - 12:17

Just my two cents.

Marketplace Update
Posted: 16:11 03 Oct 2008

Hi all,

We have just added an extra layer of protection to the marketplace to ensure no automated purchases are possible. Now when purchasing, a security code must be entered along with each purchase. We want to ensure the game is fair for all.

~ The Fallen Sword Team




As you can see, this is no longer an issue, which is probably why you never heard anything back from HCS.

If you don't follow what I am saying, compare the dates of my post to the one of your log. :wink:

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Posted 12 October 2008 - 12:54

If they have the code entered and they type in 1 and press and hold enter, I'd assume it would work and allow them to get as many as they can without risking someone else outbuying them...

Wither that method would be called automation or cheating I guess is a debate that could be brought up...

This is similar to gold spamming... and it does put a bit of extra load on the game server... but so does spamming 1-8 with r when you hunt... and that is *fine* by HCS...

The question is what is right and what isn't... the answer is probably different if you ask any single person...

I'd also like to state that gold spamming, when reported seems to usually
result in 1 day of temporary suspension...


I just had 300k, pressed enter to get more than 1 at a time, but it didn't work... it purchased 12 and then said security code incorrect

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Posted 12 October 2008 - 13:06

i often to this : buy 1 FSP at a time very fast, how? simply, click in the box where i should write the code, write the code and then press enter, and i am buying 1 FSP. i am repeating this step several times, untill i don't have gold or i don't see any FSP. i am not forced to buy all the FSP from one hand. i know sooner or later someone has to place FSP on MP. i just have to be quick. i write the code in les then 1/2 second.

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Posted 12 October 2008 - 13:10

i often to this : buy 1 FSP at a time very fast, how? simply, click in the box where i should write the code, write the code and then press enter, and i am buying 1 FSP. i am repeating this step several times, untill i don't have gold or i don't see any FSP. i am not forced to buy all the FSP from one hand. i know sooner or later someone has to place FSP on MP. i just have to be quick. i write the code in les then 1/2 second.


So is it possible to buy 10 or 20 in one sec?

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Posted 12 October 2008 - 14:34

I some times will buy 1 fsp, and click buy - buy - buy - buy - buy ... until I'm out of money, this would give a lot of buys before the screen completely loaded and can be done without a bot.

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Posted 12 October 2008 - 16:07

notice that the dates for when it happened was before the update of the marketplace...so the fsps could have been bought by just putting in a 1, and then clicking enter or pressing buy as fast as they could... ;)

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Posted 12 October 2008 - 16:08

Indeed - with the new system implemented as Crace mentioned, it should not be possible - or at least a lot harder to develop any automation. And if someone does implement automation again - we'll just change how it works again to break it :)

We could tell who was using 'real' automation before and dealt with them accordingly.

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#18 sweetlou

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Posted 12 October 2008 - 17:18

Indeed - with the new system implemented as Crace mentioned, it should not be possible - or at least a lot harder to develop any automation. And if someone does implement automation again - we'll just change how it works again to break it :)

We could tell who was using 'real' automation before and dealt with them accordingly.

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Thx for a long awaited answer...

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#19 Dark Archon

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Posted 12 October 2008 - 18:08

Well alot of people know that I presonally am obsessed with CAPTCHA's... that said... CAPTCHA's can be cracked as well... B33rMast3r said the method I posted above wouldn't work... so I guess this is automation that you suggested... and also that someone probably cracked the HCS CAPTCHA if they made it themselves...

It is also worth noting... no matter how hard you make a CAPTCHA there will be someone who can and may crack it... the only thing is, how much are you willing to take it before it becomes a nuance on players who did not try to cheat... I think it may be more worth it to ban those making and using automation methods then to make the CAPTCHA more difficult...

The other day I was trying to login to my gmail account, and I mistyped my password a few times... then it started throwing in a CAPTCHA... and I couldn't even read the text in the CAPTCHA, that is how warped this one is... so I had to use the sound click on the CAPTCHA just to hear the letters to type them in... that was indeed a great nuance...

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Posted 12 October 2008 - 18:13

Well alot of people know that I presonally am obsessed with CAPTCHA's... that said... CAPTCHA's can be cracked as well... B33rMast3r said the method I posted above wouldn't work... so I guess this is automation that you suggested... and also that someone probably cracked the HCS CAPTCHA if they made it themselves...

It is also worth noting... no matter how hard you make a CAPTCHA there will be someone who can and may crack it... the only thing is, how much are you willing to take it before it becomes a nuance on players who did not try to cheat... I think it may be more worth it to ban those making and using automation methods then to make the CAPTCHA more difficult...

The other day I was trying to login to my gmail account, and I mistyped my password a few times... then it started throwing in a CAPTCHA... and I couldn't even read the text in the CAPTCHA, that is how warped this one is... so I had to use the sound click on the CAPTCHA just to hear the letters to type them in... that was indeed a great nuance...

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sweet u pointed that out :P going to try it.. wanna see how many attempt it take for me to recognize the text :P


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