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Poll: Are lifetime buffs a good thing? (87 member(s) have cast votes)

Are lifetime buffs a good thing?

  1. No - too much abuse possible by buyers (8 votes [8.08%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.08%

  2. No - can't trust sellers to be around long enough to justify investment (63 votes [63.64%])

    Percentage of vote: 63.64%

  3. Not sure (17 votes [17.17%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.17%

  4. Yes.... (7 votes [7.07%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.07%

  5. H@#$ yes, it's made me so many orbs it's stupid! (4 votes [4.04%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.04%

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#21 hades8840

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Posted 12 June 2009 - 13:37

IMO - life time buffers, are good. if you do it right, interview like process, watch the players activity, make sure they wont just eat your stam...

The guy who said lifetimers give whatever, whenever. ya, not so much.. buffers have to hunt, farm, kill titans, ect. we cant just buff you when we have to take care of our selves as wel. but i digress...

I have no lifetime buffers, nor do i have any ppl i sell them too. but I potentially would... and as to getting my cell . or ppl offering that out, eh... thats a bit tooo close right there..


Whilst I agree there should be an interview process, personally I feel that lifetime buffs should be just that, and at the buyer's convenience, not the seller's. If you are offering a paid service, then the customer should have the right to use that service without a bunch of conditions and restrictions.

I honestly think most lifetime buff sellers
a) have too many customers
B) have not realised before accepting payment how much of a burden it can be


That is not their buyers' fault though.


Adding conditions AFTER accepting payment is not fair. If it becomes too much, or didn't work out the way the buff seller intended, I think the buyers should be refunded.


I think almost always it's a waste of fsp to buy lifetime buffs.

I would not offer such a service either, because I don't like the idea accepting payment for something I may not be able to provide as needed. Plus it's a big commitment, many things can change in your life or gameplay that may affect your ability to honour such an agreement.



Just a question to those who do have lifetime buff customers - does it hamper you in any way when deciding on skills? Also, do you feel you are restricted from doing any skill resets? I feel this could be a problem, as someone buying lifetime buffs would surely buy them based on what those actual buffs are, and whether they will be able to use them effectively. I don't think I would be happy if I paid for lifetime buffs of abc skills and the player decided later on to change these to xyz skills. That would not be what I paid for.


i agree completely i have noticed no one sees this as the customer being scammed which i find odd nomatter how u hide it if you get paid for a service you have to provide ..i am always here but doing life time buffs no matter the cost would cost me more in the long run i prefer to sell as i go along much easier and its rare anyone gets upset

#22 fs_gravely

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 02:22

Bump. There's more to be said on this, imo.

#23 fs_rdshepherd

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 03:07

Sorry if my reply here is redundant in any way (I'm currently too tired to carefully read the above replies) but I believe the concept is basically flawed. It's waaaay too susceptible to abuse from both sides. Additionally, I believe that many "lifetime" sellers have no idea what they're getting themselves into. A bag full of fsp up front seems great at the time but that value diminishes in many sellers' minds the further they're removed from that transaction. I've seen level 150 players advertising something like this and I can only shake my head.

A smarter approach that I've seen some people use is to sell a certain number of buffs, buff packages or any buffs within a certain stamina limit.

EDIT: I didn't check a poll option because I believe both of the "no" options are valid.

#24 fs_gravely

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 03:10

A smarter approach that I've seen some people use is to sell a certain number of buffs, buff packages or any buffs within a certain stamina limit.


Agreed; that's something I would actually purchase, given the right circumstances.

#25 fs_rdshepherd

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 03:14

One in particular I've seen recently is pyro69. I know him and I would trust him 100%. He tracks the deals with his clients in his bio so there's no question about buffs remaining in the deals.

He'd better give me a commission if that gets him any new customers. :lol:

#26 DarthViper

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 03:29

I agree that there are many situations where it would be good, but it can also sour up in many ways. The are ways of abuse that don't "technically" break any rules. For example you could offer "life time doubler" for somthig like 2 FSP to make it look really cheap, saying that "as long as you have doubler, the deal is valid" and then reset your skills (or even just the doubler, or whatever other buff you are offering) and then say "We made a deal that it would last as long as I have doubler". Or a buyer could ask for "all buffs" before every hunt, and technically, not be breaking any rules.

In summary, great concept, but too open to abuse, by both the buyer and seller.

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 04:45

IMO - life time buffers, are good. if you do it right, interview like process, watch the players activity, make sure they wont just eat your stam...

The guy who said lifetimers give whatever, whenever. ya, not so much.. buffers have to hunt, farm, kill titans, ect. we cant just buff you when we have to take care of our selves as wel. but i digress...

I have no lifetime buffers, nor do i have any ppl i sell them too. but I potentially would... and as to getting my cell . or ppl offering that out, eh... thats a bit tooo close right there..


Whilst I agree there should be an interview process, personally I feel that lifetime buffs should be just that, and at the buyer's convenience, not the seller's. If you are offering a paid service, then the customer should have the right to use that service without a bunch of conditions and restrictions.

I honestly think most lifetime buff sellers
a) have too many customers
B) have not realised before accepting payment how much of a burden it can be


That is not their buyers' fault though.


Adding conditions AFTER accepting payment is not fair. If it becomes too much, or didn't work out the way the buff seller intended, I think the buyers should be refunded.


I think almost always it's a waste of fsp to buy lifetime buffs.

I would not offer such a service either, because I don't like the idea accepting payment for something I may not be able to provide as needed. Plus it's a big commitment, many things can change in your life or gameplay that may affect your ability to honour such an agreement.



Just a question to those who do have lifetime buff customers - does it hamper you in any way when deciding on skills? Also, do you feel you are restricted from doing any skill resets? I feel this could be a problem, as someone buying lifetime buffs would surely buy them based on what those actual buffs are, and whether they will be able to use them effectively. I don't think I would be happy if I paid for lifetime buffs of abc skills and the player decided later on to change these to xyz skills. That would not be what I paid for.



Okay.. so the way I said it was wrong, but me personally I wouldnt be lifetime buffing anyone who hunted more then twice a week.. but thast up to the sellers.. so yeah... Buff packages - can be good, but some of them are so outrageously priced, at least so I've seen..

#28 anonimperfect

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 12:14

"Lifetime" is one of the main problems. It can be 10 years or 10 days or 10 seconds, you never know. Things can go wrong, and not necessary because of the buyers or sellers.
Nobody has full control, not even HCS (for example an accident in real life).
Everybody should be aware of this, but not everyone is.

#29 fs_lorddyon

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 12:20

Contracting out for Lifetime buffs is a joke, plain and simple. Talk here of this scenario, that situation is just avoiding the fact that it will be virtually impossible for a stranger to be able to buff me when I want based on my life and my time. So then, there is not much lifetime to it is there.

#30 Arnagast

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 15:14

Personally I would not go for lifetime buffs. How long are they going to be around and lately I have noticed sellers changing and adding new rules as they go. Leveling up yourself, new buffs come available, so make the most of your own buffs I say.

I sell buffs, but would never go for selling lifetime buffs, thats to much of a burden. I no life can change in a blink of an eye and I may not get online. Sometimes I get fedup of selling buffs and need a break - just like I have done.
The way I sell buffs now, there is no obligation to buy from me - but if you do - you no where you stand, you no what the price is. Why risk your lovely little purple dots.

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#31 Dowster

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Posted 15 June 2009 - 10:01

I voted for the second option on this as well. I did buy lifetime buffs when I first started out, and found my buffer to be pretty reliable. But based on what I have seen since from the bio's/FSbox messages and posts of lifetime buffers, they seem to think it's ok to sell a service, receive payment for it and then withhold it when it suits them. It's quite a simple thing, once someone has paid you for a something that you promised, you have a contract and if you didn't specify in the beginning that there would be certian times/circumstances when you would not be willing to use your stam. Or that you might change what buffs are available there is no excuse.

Lifetime means lifetime, not just until you change your mind (unless you give refunds)

#32 DaleJunior

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Posted 17 June 2009 - 17:44

Hmm..interesting...that doesnt' sound like what he said in his FSbox ad...which essentially said 'get over it', 'you'll live'. I would never either offer or purchase so called lifetime buffs. If others choose to, that's their prerogative, but in the past week the community has lost two lifetime buffers and their customers have suffered for it. When will it end?

#33 Sustortias

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Posted 17 June 2009 - 18:07

Definetely option 2.

You just don't know whats gonna happen with that player.

There system could co down or they could just stop buffing.

I personally would never buy lifetime buffs.

The one time I did try them, the guy who was doing them was never around when i needed him or he was stammed out.

The few times he did buff me were ok and i actually dropped him some gold for doing them.

In the end i had a sorta refund and we went our seperate ways.

Thats my story anyway, for what its worth.

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#34 fs_gravely

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Posted 18 June 2009 - 04:59

Bump for continued discussion, seems there are more people talking about it =)

#35 KitiaraLi

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Posted 18 June 2009 - 05:17

As a lifetime buff seller, I'd like to put in my 2 cents here.

I only have a few life time customers, since I do wanna have sum kinda stam gain for my hunting, and the customers I have - I did screen first. I have said no to lotsa buyers simply, because I did not feel it would benefit me.

The ones I did take in, I talked to, liked and/or saw potential in, and hence figured it might not benefit me on the long run, but it would benefit 'em, and because I liked the persons, I will not mind keep buffing 'em till I finally stop playing (as in not likely to happen any time soon).

But the above is just me, doing my little thing, because I'm weird or sumthing. Basically selling lifetime buffs (assuming both seller and buyer is honorable ppl) is a quick FSP fix to the seller, and a winning situation for the buyer (if the price is right).

Right now I charge 1,000 dots for life time buffs. Turn that into stam (1 dot = 25 stam) and I just bought myself 25,000 worth stam.
The buyer on the other hand bought a heckalot more, if he/she sticks around long enough to utilize the buff services.

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#36 Thorsark

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Posted 18 June 2009 - 21:59

I suppose that I am just too paranoid to buy lifetime buffs, and my playing time is too erratic.

#37 fs_thekossu

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Posted 18 June 2009 - 22:02

well think about those that bought TT lifetime buffs 1000fsp 4 nothing lol

#38 hades8840

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Posted 18 June 2009 - 22:27

well think about those that bought TT lifetime buffs 1000fsp 4 nothing lol



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#39 Admiral Memo

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Posted 12 August 2009 - 05:32

Case-by-case for me... 2 went through with it and are happy with what they've got from me.

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Posted 12 August 2009 - 06:55

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