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#1 fs_luapnor

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 18:58

When the minimum bid and the buy-now bid are the same, there is no reason to allow the buyer to enter a bid amount (since the price will always be whatever the minimum and buy-now bid amount is). It just slows down game play unnecessarily. Instead, the bid amount entry space should be replaced by the minimum/buy-now bid amount and the "buy" button should thus function as an instant-buy button.

This would save everybody a lot of pointless typing in of numbers. Also, this is how the Marketplace already works, so it's nothing new, really.

Here's how it would (kind of) look.

First, the current style:
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Now with my suggestion implemented:
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Note: I couldn't fit the larger prices into the existing space, so that would need a bit of modifying, but it could be done on 2 lines (although more aesthetically than I did in my low-skill way), or the price could be omitted since it's redundant anyway, or the entire line could be redone a bit for these cases.

#2 fs_grantslego

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 18:59

No...

Automation

And what is the point?

I say again...No...

#3 fs_luapnor

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 19:00

No...

Automation

makes it unfair for others

makes swiping easier...which is already a pain in the but...

I say again...No...

Could you elaborate? I'm not familiar with "swiping" and not sure what automation you mean.

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 19:03

No...

Automation

makes it unfair for others

makes swiping easier...which is already a pain in the but...

I say again...No...

Could you elaborate? I'm not familiar with "swiping" and not sure what automation you mean.

automation is where a script is set up to automatically do something... such as a bounty or buying FSP off of the market place.

Consider this idea shot down because it requires time spent coding that could be spent on other more important stuff... Seriously... have you become too lazy to type 20000?

#5 fs_luapnor

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 20:00

automation is where a script is set up to automatically do something... such as a bounty or buying FSP off of the market place.

I know what scripting is, but how does it come into play WRT this idea?

Consider this idea shot down

By you? Who are you?

because it requires time spent coding that could be spent on other more important stuff... Seriously... have you become too lazy to type 20000?

Yeah, what was I thinking?? Let's make the interface as typing-intensive as possible. That's surely preferable to streamlining it. Maybe we can eliminate the mouse altogether and run the whole thing from a command-line interface. Sweet!

It's just a suggestion. The developers obviously are capable of prioritizing.

#6 cyrus7

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 20:04

No.

Lazy much??? :roll:

But my main reason is that if you have a slow-loading page (such as when FSHelper is enabled), if you accidentally click your mouse in just the wrong spot, you'll end up buying a bunch of crap you don't want. I know that many times, I've tried to click one spot, then something else loads, and I end up clicking on someone else. I don't want to waste my gold/FSP on noob crap just because the wrong thing got clicked. Having to enter the numbers prevents an accidental purchase.

No to this "suggestion".



Let's make the interface as typing-intensive as possible. That's surely preferable to streamlining it. Maybe we can eliminate the mouse altogether and run the whole thing from a command-line interface. Sweet!

I know you said this sarcastically, as if it's a bad thing. However, I much prefer my keyboard to my mouse. :twisted:

#7 fs_grantslego

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 20:08

automation is where a script is set up to automatically do something... such as a bounty or buying FSP off of the market place.

I know what scripting is, but how does it come into play WRT this idea?

Consider this idea shot down

By you? Who are you?

because it requires time spent coding that could be spent on other more important stuff... Seriously... have you become too lazy to type 20000?

Yeah, what was I thinking?? Let's make the interface as typing-intensive as possible. That's surely preferable to streamlining it. Maybe we can eliminate the mouse altogether and run the whole thing from a command-line interface. Sweet!

It's just a suggestion. The developers obviously are capable of prioritizing.



Look...

1. a script would have to be implemented to allow for buy now bids from gold 1-to the max gold buy now bid to be shown... causing a large amount of lag

2. Me... I am the guy who just shot down your idea because it is essentially pointless because people like you are too lazy to type 20000...do you want a "win" button?

3. It has no purpose in this game...obviously your fingers are not broken as you can type this... so why not type "20000" or "100" or "1"? HCS is fully capable of prioritizing it is just pointless ideas like this (such as pvp prestige and the twitter thing) that clog up their agenda, right now i would prefer for them to work on the lag rather than shortcuts like this...

#8 fs_luapnor

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 22:07

No.

Lazy much??? :roll:

Already rebutted.

I know you said this sarcastically, as if it's a bad thing. However, I much prefer my keyboard to my mouse.

There are plenty of typing tutors available for you if you really need that much keyboard practice. No need to make the game another one. You already have to mouse-click into the bid field before you can type your bid into it*, so implementing my suggestion won't add any mousing at all for you. It's just the same 1 mouse-click, a bit to the right of where you click now (or perhaps even in the exact same place, depending on how it's implemented cosmetically).

* unless you wanna tab your way there, which is fine, but hardly a time-saver

But my main reason is that if you have a slow-loading page (such as when FSHelper is enabled), if you accidentally click your mouse in just the wrong spot, you'll end up buying a bunch of crap you don't want. I know that many times, I've tried to click one spot, then something else loads, and I end up clicking on someone else. I don't want to waste my gold/FSP on noob crap just because the wrong thing got clicked. Having to enter the numbers prevents an accidental purchase.

That is a wise observation. I've had that happen too, although not on this site (yet). Maybe the page could be coded to enable any buy-now buttons last, only after the entire page is done loading? (I'm not familiar with web programming and don't know if that's actually feasible.) Also, I've never used FSHelper, so any problems related to that are going to be invisible to me; thanks for your input in that area.

IMO it'd still be worth doing as long as the behavior of the page was relatively predictable; I'll take the responsibility along with the convenience, personally. However I can see that there's room for disagreement there. And if the page behavior wasn't predictable (due to random banner ad weirdness at the top, or w/e), and a significant amount of misclicks were caused, that would be a deal-breaker for me too, barring a workaround.

No to this "suggestion".

Thanks for your "opinion".

1. a script would have to be implemented to allow for buy now bids from gold 1-to the max gold buy now bid to be shown... causing a large amount of lag

I'm unable to quite decipher what you meant by "buy now bids from gold 1-to the max gold buy now bid", so...? Obviously lag = evil; not sure what to say beyond that since I don't follow your syntax here.

2. Me... I am the guy who just shot down your idea because it is essentially pointless because people like you are too lazy to type 20000...do you want a "win" button?

So, you're nobody special, then? Just arbitrarily self-appointing?

And again with the "lazy" straw man. :roll:

3. It has no purpose in this game...obviously your fingers are not broken as you can type this... so why not type "20000" or "100" or "1"? HCS is fully capable of prioritizing it is just pointless ideas like this (such as pvp prestige and the twitter thing) that clog up their agenda, right now i would prefer for them to work on the lag rather than shortcuts like this...

That's nice. And yes, as you observe, my fingers work fine, and I'm not lazy. Interface improvements are a staple of development, just as response time improvements are. Reducing pointless work = good.

Instead of all the needless insults, you could just say "nice idea but let's address the lag first". Or even "I don't care about this idea, but if you really want it, let's at least wait until the lag is fixed". Being still kinda new around here, I didn't even realize there was a lag issue now. The game seems to run OK for me. (Is there a thread discussing the lag that you would recommend for me to learn about that?)

Sorry to have offered such a disturbing suggestion. It seems only logical from my perspective; no trouble is intended.

#9 cyrus7

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 22:26

I know you said this sarcastically, as if it's a bad thing. However, I much prefer my keyboard to my mouse.

There are plenty of typing tutors available for you if you really need that much keyboard practice. No need to make the game another one.

Typing tutor? ROFL!!! I've been typing longer than some players in this game have been alive. I can type just fine. I said I prefer my keyboard over my mouse; I did not say I needed more keyboard practice. :roll:

I'll leave the rest of your "post" alone. *snickers*
Does remind me of something Jay said in IRC recently...
http://fallenswordir...=single&qid=393

#10 fs_akghicjfh

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 22:27

No. Automation.. go to the bottom of the in-game page, and read the rules.

#11 fs_luapnor

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Posted 05 November 2009 - 02:07

Typing tutor? ROFL!!! I've been typing longer than some players in this game have been alive. I can type just fine. I said I prefer my keyboard over my mouse; I did not say I needed more keyboard practice. :roll:

I'll leave the rest of your "post" alone. *snickers*
Does remind me of something Jay said in IRC recently...
http://fallenswordir...=single&qid=393

As was pointed out to you the last time, implementing this suggestion wouldn't add any extra mousing to the game. It would only reduce the amount of typing needed. So, by opposing it on the basis that you like your keyboard more than your mouse, what you're effectively saying is that you prefer a mouse-click and some typing to just the mouse-click. That makes no sense unless you play this game in order to practice typing, or you've got some kind of "Speed"-like bomb in your keyboard that will go off if your keytaps drop below X WPM (a possibility I confess to having overlooked before).

And yes, putting quotes around a word or phrase has the effect of making it seem dodgy, which is why I responded to your doing it to me by doing it back to you.

No. Automation.. go to the bottom of the in-game page, and read the rules.

You mean this, from the "Acceptable Use Policy" link?

Use of any form of automation or 3rd party scripts, without prior permission from Hunted Cow Studios Ltd, will result in your account being terminated.

That has nothing to do with my suggestion. This change would be made by HCS to the game coding.

There's no other occurrence of "auto" in that doc or the "Terms of Website Use" and I didn't see a "rules" link, so if that isn't what you meant, please clarify.

#12 fs_akghicjfh

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Posted 05 November 2009 - 03:04

Meh, there's only a difference of 1.5 seconds. That doesn't really matter much.. if you're trying to bid on an auction, just copy+paste the number..

#13 fs_grantslego

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Posted 05 November 2009 - 03:33

ok.....

so some items have a buy now price of 1 gold... another 2.... and yet another 3... etc... the servers would have to generate an automatic button or "plug in" to have an auto buy for each price... so there would be around a 3 million buttons for it to generate... do you have any idea what kind of coding that is?

#14 RebornJedi

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Posted 05 November 2009 - 03:44

ok.....

so some items have a buy now price of 1 gold... another 2.... and yet another 3... etc... the servers would have to generate an automatic button or "plug in" to have an auto buy for each price... so there would be around a 3 million buttons for it to generate... do you have any idea what kind of coding that is?


or they can just change the how auction slots are set up..if you put up an auction with the same min/max amount(or just have a single buyout price option) it will automatically change it to a set amount and have a Buy button next to it instead of a Bid button

 


#15 fs_grantslego

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Posted 05 November 2009 - 03:45

ok.....

so some items have a buy now price of 1 gold... another 2.... and yet another 3... etc... the servers would have to generate an automatic button or "plug in" to have an auto buy for each price... so there would be around a 3 million buttons for it to generate... do you have any idea what kind of coding that is?


or they can just change the how auction slots are set up..if you put up an auction with the same min/max amount it will automatically change it to a set amount and have a Buy button next to it instead of a Bid button



true, but i would still assume that it would generate some lag... minor or major...

#16 RebornJedi

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Posted 05 November 2009 - 03:48

assuming doesn't help anything..

 


#17 fs_grantslego

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Posted 05 November 2009 - 03:51

assuming doesn't help anything..


yah i'm not techo guy, but it is still not needed and could cause problems with those with slow connections or FS helper

#18 fs_luapnor

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Posted 05 November 2009 - 06:57

ok.....

so some items have a buy now price of 1 gold... another 2.... and yet another 3... etc... the servers would have to generate an automatic button or "plug in" to have an auto buy for each price... so there would be around a 3 million buttons for it to generate... do you have any idea what kind of coding that is?


or they can just change the how auction slots are set up..if you put up an auction with the same min/max amount(or just have a single buyout price option) it will automatically change it to a set amount and have a Buy button next to it instead of a Bid button

Gee, what a concept. Maybe I should change my OP to... oh, wait, that was exactly what I suggested in the first place.

#19 fs_nicodemus3

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Posted 05 November 2009 - 16:58

Who let all the trolls out? :?

Concept is not a bad idea, I just wouldn't be asking HCS to give this sort of thing priority over several other much needed upgrades.

#20 fs_luapnor

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Posted 05 November 2009 - 17:15

Who let all the trolls out? :?

Concept is not a bad idea, I just wouldn't be asking HCS to give this sort of thing priority over several other much needed upgrades.

LOL... thanks for the sanity injection. It was rather odd to encounter so much hostility to a reasonable suggestion. This is, after all, the SUGGESTIONS forum. :)

I was thinking more about the danger of a 1-click buy button, after that was brought up ITT (by one of the "trolls", heheh). Maybe it would be better to have a 2-click setup than a 1-click one. The min/buy-now bids, only when both amounts are the same, could be put on a button; click that and the amount is entered into the bid entry blank, and then the buy button works as it does now. That would prevent accidental 1-click purchases while still reducing the amount of typing needed, but anyone who plays the game to practice their typing can still enter the amount manually too. Maybe that's a better arrangement than my original suggestion.


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