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#41 abhorrence

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Posted 13 January 2010 - 19:13

Why do you deserve a reward for deleveling yourself?

Don't u understand? I don't deserve it as a reward for deleveling... I deserve it as a reward for the LEVELING i've done before...



When you were higher level you deserved those skills, now that you reduced your level of your own choosing you no longer deserve to be able to do things that someone your level shouldn't be able to do.

#42 Mister Doom

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Posted 13 January 2010 - 19:14

You don't know the reasons that pushed me to get down...
I was just tired of leveling up and wanted to try again from begenning...

All that was done before the RP came in (as we know it today)...

I'm tired of people pointing at me and saying I deleveled myself to get an advantage on everybody else...
I didn't plan to do some GvG at all at the begenning but with HCS bringing it it, they offered that to me on a golden plate!

Yes I have a advantage on unders, I canno't take that off... Unfair? No much... Their are advantages for some people in every aspect... And anywhere you look in life, some people will have some advantages...
It's an advantage that I worked for...

When you were talking of DURL to help those who don't have a fast connection: fast connections weren't necessery worked to have them... They are there thats all...

If anybody was in my position, it's sure they would try to defend that sligth advantage they have...

At least, i've let so things go...
Yes people should have the skills appropriate for there lvl...
But I want to have the skill points I earned... POINT.


It's not a valid argument though? You got bored, deleveled had a good run with an unfair advantage (same as uber-connection have an unfair advantage) It matters not that you once leveled up does it? You're not that level anymore hence not entitled to those skills anymore. You gave them up when you 'chose' to go down in levels.. Or you 'should' have given them up..

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Posted 13 January 2010 - 19:14

I'm liking the idea of only the top 'x' guilds gaining Guild RP based on the GvG Rating. This could be a daily gain of Guild RP. Tne same could also apply to PvP Prestige, ie. the top PvP Rating.

This would make it a challenge to be the best at Guild Conflicts and PvP.

What are your feelings on this?


I like the idea for GVG. Would reward people for hard work rather than penalize them with high initiation cost and kill the "FREE RP" that seems to bother everyone.

The PVP will be more difficult though. I mean if your after prestige to gain extra xp when ya hunt then being at the top of that ladder is gonna make you quite a big target and lose ya alot of xp. It should just be added to bounty hunting but shouldnt be tied into pvp ratings. IE. +10 for a PVP win. +5 for a bounty kill. That way you can gain your extra 10% from doing bounties with a minimal risk of losing xp over it. Add more competition to bounties.

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Posted 13 January 2010 - 19:15

You don't know the reasons that pushed me to get down...
I was just tired of leveling up and wanted to try again from begenning...


I don't need to know your reasons, what I do know is that someone your level should not be able to cast skills that are above your level.

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Posted 13 January 2010 - 19:16

thats beautiful.. good thing I dont need to do much then, I have everything that any other level 125 has, and still accomplish the same things.. with or without my own skills..

Are you just upset I am not coming to you and paying for your skills?

What makes you think I didnt earn the respect and friendships of players at all levels, enough to get free buffs at any time I want? My friends know im not a mooch, and give the shirt off my back.. and those that know me, also know im a very selfless player. I have a lot of respect to you and most of the people posting in this thread, and their guilds, but I no not agree with the sentiment that a forced reset on skills is imminent.


Don't try and make this personal levy.. Did I say I'm upset that you haven't come to me for buffs? You probably have earned your respect or whatever, I really don't see the relevance though? We are talking about skills that you have that people at the same don't. Thats all, nothing more..

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Posted 13 January 2010 - 19:17

I gave u that point rigth...
I told that I had no reasons to go against that point...

I just asked to find a compromise and to give me the amount of skill points I have... That way i'll have as strong buffs as those of my lvl BUT I'll just have more... That's not TOO MUCH unfair, no?
I'm trying to be reasonable that's all...

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Posted 13 January 2010 - 19:19

I gave u that point rigth...
I told that I had no reasons to go against that point...

I just asked to find a compromise and to give me the amount of skill points I have... That way i'll have as strong buffs as those of my lvl BUT I'll just have more... That's not TOO MUCH unfair, no?
I'm trying to be reasonable that's all...


It just as bad, as I've said, you lost the bonus's attached to higher levels when you self deleveled, why should you have more buffs? You aren't level 260 anymore, if you want those skills points again, level up.

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Posted 13 January 2010 - 19:20

It's not an exploit. HCS set up the rules this way. HCS said (via the rules) you always get to keep your earned skills when you get deleveled. To now say oops (months and months later), we made a mistake, when the deleveling is essentially irreversible (barring a massive expenditure), is terrible policy.


Clearly Shardoom didn't say it was an exploit, he said it was an OVER SIGHT, by HCS. One that should be fixed.

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Posted 13 January 2010 - 19:21

Pretty easy to say...
I don't have more to give you, sorry!

I say something, you say something else...
Then I reply and you reply again...
Then I come back with my arguments and you do the same...

We each have our point of view... Time for HCS to take their decision over it :|

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Posted 13 January 2010 - 19:21

I just asked to find a compromise and to give me the amount of skill points I have... That way i'll have as strong buffs as those of my lvl BUT I'll just have more... That's not TOO MUCH unfair, no?
I'm trying to be reasonable that's all...


So you should have a different kind of advantage over other players in your range?

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Posted 13 January 2010 - 19:23

Yes, a sligth advantage as I worked before...
But i'm repeating, there's no reason I continue

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Posted 13 January 2010 - 19:24



I just asked to find a compromise and to give me the amount of skill points I have... That way i'll have as strong buffs as those of my lvl BUT I'll just have more... That's not TOO MUCH unfair, no?
I'm trying to be reasonable that's all...


So you should have a different kind of advantage over other players in your range?


That's not necessarily unreasonable, actually. If you were to level up to 400, spend 8000 skill points in level 200 and below skills (to a maximum benefit of level 145 buffs, not 165 buffs like level 400 buffs would be) and then deleveled yourself to 200, you'd have traded 200 levels worth of leveling for twice the buffs, but nothing stronger than a normal level 200 player would cast. Don't see an issue with that, honestly.

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Posted 13 January 2010 - 19:25

Your virtual level is your highest achieved level in the game(for which you have allocated level up points for). Your actual level can be lower due to deleveling.

In PvP, when you attack other players, your actual level is taken as the starting point for the range of players you can attack, not your virtual level. If another player attacks you, they must be within your virtual level range as oppossed to your actual level.


This isn't factually true at this time.

#54 Mister Doom

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Posted 13 January 2010 - 19:26

Yes, a sligth advantage as I worked before...
But i'm repeating, there's no reason I continue


It's nothing personal Roan, I just don't believe the level up point reset was designed to enable people to use it to delevel and take skills down with them, thereby giving themselves an advantage over other players. If you enjoy the PvP aspect of the game and want to go back to the lower levels and participate, by all means go right ahead. No to having an unfair advantage over people of similar levels due to a HCS oversight though.

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Posted 13 January 2010 - 19:27



thats beautiful.. good thing I dont need to do much then, I have everything that any other level 125 has, and still accomplish the same things.. with or without my own skills..

Are you just upset I am not coming to you and paying for your skills?

What makes you think I didnt earn the respect and friendships of players at all levels, enough to get free buffs at any time I want? My friends know im not a mooch, and give the shirt off my back.. and those that know me, also know im a very selfless player. I have a lot of respect to you and most of the people posting in this thread, and their guilds, but I no not agree with the sentiment that a forced reset on skills is imminent.


Don't try and make this personal levy.. Did I say I'm upset that you haven't come to me for buffs? You probably have earned your respect or whatever, I really don't see the relevance though? We are talking about skills that you have that people at the same don't. Thats all, nothing more..



Fair enough, and you are correct, no reason to make it personal.. though it was not my point..

I guess I was asking if this was about upper level players not making any money off selling skills.. or if this was just about the skills themselves.. already, I took a major loss, for having spend a ton of money on fsp, to power level through content.. to lvl783, just to watch all the people who did the same, get rewarded 100stamina per level, and I get rejected. I spent the stamina to level through that, why didnt I earn the 100stamina per level above level 500 like everyone else? why did the relics suddenly now have worth and I lose out on that? I never deleveled down thinking I would have levle 175 buffs to crush people, I left lvl783 and #1 player of the game to have fun, I was sick and tired of end of content, relics being crappy and no incentive to being up there.. since then, they made it rather wholesome to be up there.. so tell me, would you rather me be up there grabbing hundreds of relics a month that are all empowered, and PvPing the daylights out of people? or be down here at 125 chilling, and enjoying the game? personally, I think demanding a skill reset, does not effect you or any other player in this game, its out of pure jealousy that you demand such things. but hey thats just me.. lol.. Everyone is indeed, entitled to their own opinion.

I will support whatever HCS does.. because in the end, I will still be successful in whatever I do, and measured well by my friends because of who I am. I dont need lvl175 buffs to be a over powering player, I was that already long before a single skill was cast on me.

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Posted 13 January 2010 - 19:28

Just a question, should skills work like gear or level up points? Think I missed or just didn't understand that part ...

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Posted 13 January 2010 - 19:28



I just asked to find a compromise and to give me the amount of skill points I have... That way i'll have as strong buffs as those of my lvl BUT I'll just have more... That's not TOO MUCH unfair, no?
I'm trying to be reasonable that's all...


So you should have a different kind of advantage over other players in your range?


That's not necessarily unreasonable, actually. If you were to level up to 400, spend 8000 skill points in level 200 and below skills (to a maximum benefit of level 145 buffs, not 165 buffs like level 400 buffs would be) and then deleveled yourself to 200, you'd have traded 200 levels worth of leveling for twice the buffs, but nothing stronger than a normal level 200 player would cast. Don't see an issue with that, honestly.


It's an unfair advantage, would you also be ok with people taking their level up points down with them too? This is simply an oversight, it could quite easily have been something a lot worse..

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Posted 13 January 2010 - 19:32



thats beautiful.. good thing I dont need to do much then, I have everything that any other level 125 has, and still accomplish the same things.. with or without my own skills..

Are you just upset I am not coming to you and paying for your skills?

What makes you think I didnt earn the respect and friendships of players at all levels, enough to get free buffs at any time I want? My friends know im not a mooch, and give the shirt off my back.. and those that know me, also know im a very selfless player. I have a lot of respect to you and most of the people posting in this thread, and their guilds, but I no not agree with the sentiment that a forced reset on skills is imminent.


Don't try and make this personal levy.. Did I say I'm upset that you haven't come to me for buffs? You probably have earned your respect or whatever, I really don't see the relevance though? We are talking about skills that you have that people at the same don't. Thats all, nothing more..



Fair enough, and you are correct, no reason to make it personal.. though it was not my point..

I guess I was asking if this was about upper level players not making any money off selling skills.. or if this was just about the skills themselves.. already, I took a major loss, for having spend a ton of money on fsp, to power level through content.. to lvl783, just to watch all the people who did the same, get rewarded 100stamina per level, and I get rejected. I spent the stamina to level through that, why didnt I earn the 100stamina per level above level 500 like everyone else? why did the relics suddenly now have worth and I lose out on that? I never deleveled down thinking I would have levle 175 buffs to crush people, I left lvl783 and #1 player of the game to have fun, I was sick and tired of end of content, relics being crappy and no incentive to being up there.. since then, they made it rather wholesome to be up there.. so tell me, would you rather me be up there grabbing hundreds of relics a month that are all empowered, and PvPing the daylights out of people? or be down here at 125 chilling, and enjoying the game? personally, I think demanding a skill reset, does not effect you or any other player in this game, its out of pure jealousy that you demand such things. but hey thats just me.. lol.. Everyone is indeed, entitled to their own opinion.

I will support whatever HCS does.. because in the end, I will still be successful in whatever I do, and measured well by my friends because of who I am. I dont need lvl175 buffs to be a over powering player, I was that already long before a single skill was cast on me.


Hey, at the end of the day everything you have done has been your own choice, right? It's unlucky that you went down and the relics became worthwhile, but thats all it is bad luck. I honestly believe the reason you didn't get the reserve stamina is the exact same reason that you shouldn't have those skills.. You are no longer that high level you once were.. You effectively gave up all the privs and advantages you had earned when you deleveled. As I've said over and over this is simply an oversight on HCS part, one which you have taken advantage of, when things are wrong it doesn't mean they shouldn't be changed because certain people have already taken advantage of them, does it?

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Posted 13 January 2010 - 19:35

I'm liking the idea of only the top 'x' guilds gaining Guild RP based on the GvG Rating. This could be a daily gain of Guild RP. Tne same could also apply to PvP Prestige, ie. the top PvP Rating.

This would make it a challenge to be the best at Guild Conflicts and PvP.

What are your feelings on this?


I like the idea for GVG. Would reward people for hard work rather than penalize them with high initiation cost and kill the "FREE RP" that seems to bother everyone.

The PVP will be more difficult though. I mean if your after prestige to gain extra xp when ya hunt then being at the top of that ladder is gonna make you quite a big target and lose ya alot of xp. It should just be added to bounty hunting but shouldnt be tied into pvp ratings. IE. +10 for a PVP win. +5 for a bounty kill. That way you can gain your extra 10% from doing bounties with a minimal risk of losing xp over it. Add more competition to bounties.


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My 2 cents in this debate. It is not Levy's fault that HCS made some sort of "mistake" within its game mechanics. That being said, HCS has also partially endorsed his deleveling by participating in it as shown via the screen shot. One must consider this I believe. When Levy was weighing out whether or not he wanted to delevel, that decision was weighed out in part that he would get to keep his skill points. IMO, if they choose to have a master reset of skills effecting deleveled players, one thing needs to happen. Give these players a 1 time choice to either remain at their current level and accept the resetting of their skills back to being level appropriate, OR allow them to return back to the VL attached to those skill points. In Levy's case 783. This should be a one time deal only! This is to accommodate the "mistake" made by HCS without penalizing the players who made that decision based upon the game mechanics at that time. Levy and others should not be held responsible for that. Much money, time, and effort was spent in this. I believe that this would be the best way to "correct" this problem and to be fair to all involved. The debate on whether to allow Levy to keep his skills, I say he spent the time and the dime. Anybody who wants to cry about it can level their butts up to where they want and come right back down. I;ll be waiting for them! :wink:

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Posted 13 January 2010 - 19:35

Hey, at the end of the day everything you have done has been your own choice, right? It's unlucky that you went down and the relics became worthwhile, but thats all it is bad luck. I honestly believe the reason you didn't get the reserve stamina is the exact same reason that you shouldn't have those skills.. You are no longer that high level you once were.. You effectively gave up all the privs and advantages you had earned when you deleveled. As I've said over and over this is simply an oversight on HCS part, one which you have taken advantage of, when things are wrong it doesn't mean they shouldn't be changed because certain people have already taken advantage of them, does it?


I dont see where the advantages are you talk about.. having skills I earned are mine.. not yours.. and are used in however way they should me.. its not like im running around with a HOOF SET on..
lol.. although, Id love one of those.. lol


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