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#761 Mister Doom

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 18:33

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Hahaha you completely missed my point entirely.. *sigh*

One man guilds are different to all of the other examples because a one man guild isn't a 'guild' as such, it's one person taking advantage of a poorly thought out system.

Please take your childish and poorly thought out answers elsewhere. You say I'm upset because you might be catching me up or making FSP etc? Really, you really are a silly billy aren't you... Bless your little cotton socks, if you had read any of my most recent posts you'd see that nothing I've been arguing for recently would have any beneficial repercussions for me ;)

#762 ZidaneT

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 18:36

A solo guild engaging in gvg for profit is exactly the same as a 40 person guild engaging in pvp for profit. The only difference is that solo guilds may, on occasion, be able to complete their attacks quicker.

I wonder how many levels you dropped intentionally? Same arguments are coming from players abusing the GvG system as with intentional delevelers. We can do it so it must be ok... Sorry your days are numbered.


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What a surprise, another high leveller openly lying and threatening on the forums to promote his ridiculous and nonsensical views.

I have not currently, nor have i ever, deliberately delevelled myself.

As you have now resorted to openly lying about, and indeed threatening, me in the public forums, i can only resort to escalating your blatant attempt to bring unwanted hostile attention to a support ticket.

#763 ZidaneT

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 18:38

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Hahaha you completely missed my point entirely.. *sigh*

One man guilds are different to all of the other examples because a one man guild isn't a 'guild' as such, it's one person taking advantage of a poorly thought out system.


how nice of you to once again accuse me of cheating through advantage without even bothering to check out the guild...

Please take your childish and poorly thought out answers elsewhere. You say I'm upset because you might be catching me up or making FSP etc? Really, you really are a silly billy aren't you... Bless your little cotton socks, if you had read any of my most recent posts you'd see that nothing I've been arguing for recently would have any beneficial repercussions for me ;)


Well, as espected, a completely adult and rational comment that in no way seeks to just be insulting without in any way presenting any information to oppose my valid and acceptable points. It is indeed such a pleasure to see people have not lost the ability for rational discussion...

Am I the only person who realises the only people so vehemently trying to push this are the very high levellers with much to gain? (or more accurately, much to lose).

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 18:41

Isn't that called PvP? Not as much profit in PvP is there?


No. I hate PvP because in PvP I lose experience, experience that I've gathered with labour.

#765 BalianRW

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 18:42

. . .The only difference is that solo guilds may, on occasion, be able to complete their attacks quicker.


on occasion? Try every time, and add A LOT quicker

now, please explain to me why we should continue to allow SE hunting, as a 40 person guild clearly has an advantage over a solo guild


Not following you here. SE hunting is about a 1 on 1 as you can get. No guild involved there.

Tell me, what, exactly, gives you the right to decide that your guild can do something for profit and nobody else can?


No one is saying that any guild should be giving opportunities that other guilds don't have. But the problem lies in what IS a guild. According to the dictionary a guild is:

1. an organization of persons with related interests, goals, etc., esp. one formed for mutual aid or protection.
2. any of various medieval associations, as of merchants or artisans, organized to maintain standards and to protect the interests of its members, and that sometimes constituted a local governing body.

Take your pick. The point being that it is more then one person. In all practical purposes A LOT more than one person.

I guess this is a prime example of just another high level player crying because other people might be catching up....


I don't think that being 1/2 way through the current content makes me a high level player, and I am pretty much in the same opinion as Shardoom.

Now on the subject of actually trying to make suggestions to fix the problem/issue. Here is a suggestion that I don't think has ever been proposed. Have the "set" participation limit apply to the attacker only. Allow the defender to attack with the max number of participants allowed as per their upgrades etc.

#766 Mister Doom

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 18:43

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I would have posted a rational and probably crushing argument against your aem 'valid' points if your first reply hadn't been so openly passive-aggressive. Now I simply see you as someone who seems to think they are everyones intellectual superior. I don't appreciate being talked down to. You failed to read and understand my post before commenting, you obviously failed to read any of my previous comments before accusing me of being selfishly motivated. Tell me, why should I grace you with a valid response, seems to me you don't warrant the effort.

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 18:50

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I would have posted a rational and probably crushing argument against your aem 'valid' points if your first reply hadn't been so openly passive-aggressive. Now I simply see you as someone who seems to think they are everyones intellectual superior. I don't appreciate being talked down to. You failed to read and understand my post before commenting, you obviously failed to read any of my previous comments before accusing me of being selfishly motivated. Tell me, why should I grace you with a valid response, seems to me you don't warrant the effort.


Because i openly addressed every single point you had, and proved it invalid. your response? "you're a silly billy so nyaaargh!"....

kinda says it all really.

#768 Mister Doom

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 18:53

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I would have posted a rational and probably crushing argument against your aem 'valid' points if your first reply hadn't been so openly passive-aggressive. Now I simply see you as someone who seems to think they are everyones intellectual superior. I don't appreciate being talked down to. You failed to read and understand my post before commenting, you obviously failed to read any of my previous comments before accusing me of being selfishly motivated. Tell me, why should I grace you with a valid response, seems to me you don't warrant the effort.


Because i openly addressed every single point you had, and proved it invalid. your response? "you're a silly billy so nyaaargh!"....

kinda says it all really.


LOL! read through your post... You completely missed my primary point. As to proving the other points invalid? Comparing GvG to titan hunting, SE hunting etc etc doesn't actually prove anything, you realise this right?

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 18:57



Hahaha you completely missed my point entirely.. *sigh*

One man guilds are different to all of the other examples because a one man guild isn't a 'guild' as such, it's one person taking advantage of a poorly thought out system.


how nice of you to once again accuse me of cheating through advantage without even bothering to check out the guild...


Honestly I don't see any accusation of cheating. I think we all agree that everyone IS playing within the current rules of the game. However the game is flawed by having a "poorly though out system" for GvG, that allows 1-members guilds to have a huge advantage (in GvG) over most other guilds, and even a substantial advantage over 2-member guilds.

#770 ZidaneT

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 18:57

. . .The only difference is that solo guilds may, on occasion, be able to complete their attacks quicker.


on occasion? Try every time, and add A LOT quicker

And how, exactly, does this prevent you from retaliating? it doesnt, it confers no advantage, other than completing the attacks quicker. You still have time to complete your attacks, and you are still able to attack back... seriously, what on earth is the issue?


now, please explain to me why we should continue to allow SE hunting, as a 40 person guild clearly has an advantage over a solo guild


Not following you here. SE hunting is about a 1 on 1 as you can get. No guild involved there.

By being in a guild, you effectively have multiple eyes. everyone levelling has the chance to run into an SE, and if you're in a solo guild, that's only one person, if you're in a 40+ guild, that's 40+ people. bigger guilds have a massive advantage through numbers.


Tell me, what, exactly, gives you the right to decide that your guild can do something for profit and nobody else can?


No one is saying that any guild should be giving opportunities that other guilds don't have. But the problem lies in what IS a guild. According to the dictionary a guild is:

1. an organization of persons with related interests, goals, etc., esp. one formed for mutual aid or protection.
2. any of various medieval associations, as of merchants or artisans, organized to maintain standards and to protect the interests of its members, and that sometimes constituted a local governing body.

Take your pick. The point being that it is more then one person. In all practical purposes A LOT more than one person.


The dictionary definition of a warrior is someone who engages in physical combat, but i don't see many shamblers leaping through my window.....

Try and tie it up in semantics all you like, some people just like playing solo. They should not be punished just because they don't want to be your friend.



I guess this is a prime example of just another high level player crying because other people might be catching up....


I don't think that being 1/2 way through the current content makes me a high level player, and I am pretty much in the same opinion as Shardoom.

Now on the subject of actually trying to make suggestions to fix the problem/issue. Here is a suggestion that I don't think has ever been proposed. Have the "set" participation limit apply to the attacker only. Allow the defender to attack with the max number of participants allowed as per their upgrades etc.


Or, much better, just deal with the fact that the *only* advantage is that solo guilds get to attack quicker.... they get no other advantage, other than not having to wait as long....

seriously, i am amazed that so many people are up in arms about what is essentially a non-issue. I'm not surprised to see the usual high-levellers in here trying to keep their advantage, but when it resorts to lies and threats, things have gone too far.

So, one guy gets to attack quicker, in a gvg.... and that's it? seriously, you guys need to relax a little, it's not that big of a deal.

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 19:00



Hahaha you completely missed my point entirely.. *sigh*

One man guilds are different to all of the other examples because a one man guild isn't a 'guild' as such, it's one person taking advantage of a poorly thought out system.


how nice of you to once again accuse me of cheating through advantage without even bothering to check out the guild...


Honestly I don't see any accusation of cheating. I think we all agree that everyone IS playing within the current rules of the game. However the game is flawed by having a "poorly though out system" for GvG, that allows 1-members guilds to have a huge advantage (in GvG) over most other guilds, and even a substantial advantage over 2-member guilds.



And what advtange? are they gaurunteed wins? are they somehow able to defeat everyone? do they get free fsp when they click attack? do they get some sort of superpower?

no.

they can attack at exactly the same rate as any other player, however, they may have two or three targets, instead of just one.

seriously, it's *that* big of an advtantage that you cannot possibly play the game ever again?

i'll give a dollar to the first person who proves that GvG is so flawed that there is no possible way to defend against a solo guild.

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 19:01


Because i openly addressed every single point you had, and proved it invalid. your response? "you're a silly billy so nyaaargh!"....

kinda says it all really.


LOL! read through your post... You completely missed my primary point. As to proving the other points invalid? Comparing GvG to titan hunting, SE hunting etc etc doesn't actually prove anything, you realise this right?


I missed your point... how nice of you to restate it for me, and address my own, instead of just randomly posting and calling people names...

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 19:02

You think a one man guild has only that advantage? Being able to complete attacks quicker? How about the ability to attack multiple targets while at the same time ensuring only one member can attack back, and only at one target?

Couple that with the recent trend of downward leveling to take high level skills down with them and I'm sure even you can see where the advantage lies there?

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 19:02


Because i openly addressed every single point you had, and proved it invalid. your response? "you're a silly billy so nyaaargh!"....

kinda says it all really.


LOL! read through your post... You completely missed my primary point. As to proving the other points invalid? Comparing GvG to titan hunting, SE hunting etc etc doesn't actually prove anything, you realise this right?


I missed your point... how nice of you to restate it for me, and address my own, instead of just randomly posting and calling people names...

Calling names? I dunno where you saw that in this post :roll:

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 19:03

What a surprise, another high leveller openly lying and threatening on the forums to promote his ridiculous and nonsensical views.

I have not currently, nor have i ever, deliberately delevelled myself.

As you have now resorted to openly lying about, and indeed threatening, me in the public forums, i can only resort to escalating your blatant attempt to bring unwanted hostile attention to a support ticket.



*falls over laughing, takes a deep breath, sees the post again, repeats first action*

If I scream 'Boo!' do I get reported too? He made no threat against you. He told no lies. And your threats of reporting him for posting when you are the one resorting to name calling, slander and threats are absolutely hilarious! Thanks for the laugh today, I needed that.

 


#776 Mister Doom

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 19:04


Because i openly addressed every single point you had, and proved it invalid. your response? "you're a silly billy so nyaaargh!"....

kinda says it all really.


LOL! read through your post... You completely missed my primary point. As to proving the other points invalid? Comparing GvG to titan hunting, SE hunting etc etc doesn't actually prove anything, you realise this right?


I missed your point... how nice of you to restate it for me, and address my own, instead of just randomly posting and calling people names...


LOL you really are an angry little man aren't you? I don't see anywhere in that post where I called you a name. As to addressing your points, if you can't see where your arguement is flawed I'm not going to point it out for you, I've had enough of having to do that just recently. :)

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 19:06

Calling names? I dunno where you saw that in this post :roll:


Please take your childish and poorly thought out answers elsewhere. You say I'm upset because you might be catching me up or making FSP etc? Really, you really are a silly billy aren't you... Bless your little cotton socks, if you had read any of my most recent posts you'd see that nothing I've been arguing for recently would have any beneficial repercussions for me ;)



You may wish to go back and read the rest of the thread before commenting. :roll:

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 19:08

LOL you really are an angry little man aren't you? I don't see anywhere in that post where I called you a name. As to addressing your points, if you can't see where your arguement is flawed I'm not going to point it out for you, I've had enough of having to do that just recently. :)


On the contrary, i simply refuse to accept your ridiculous position of "If you don't know, i'm not going to tell you, so nyaaaargh"

So, once again, this mysterious point you have, the super-point that makes all other points invalid.... what is it?

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 19:09

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I would have posted a rational and probably crushing argument against your aem 'valid' points if your first reply hadn't been so openly passive-aggressive. Now I simply see you as someone who seems to think they are everyones intellectual superior. I don't appreciate being talked down to. You failed to read and understand my post before commenting, you obviously failed to read any of my previous comments before accusing me of being selfishly motivated. Tell me, why should I grace you with a valid response, seems to me you don't warrant the effort.


Because i openly addressed every single point you had, and proved it invalid. your response? "you're a silly billy so nyaaargh!"....

kinda says it all really.



Its funny to me that after about 50 pages of people whinging and moaning about the state of gvg it boils down to people trying to define a "guild". Like ya said anyone lvl25+ with 10fsp can make a guild. Thats a guild. What ever they choose to do in the guild within the rules of the game is their business. Now that those people have an opertunity to earn fsp and upgrade their characters and guilds certain people want it stopped. Partly because some people have nothing better to do than complain, partly because some people dont want players leaving their guild in search of easy fsp, partly because some people have spent alot of money on the game and begrudge other people makin profit so easily. And partly because of some misguided sense of morality and ethics where people think its "wrong" to trade rp. Like ya said, everything in this game is about making profit. And trading is 99% of it. Without doing so it wouldnt go anywhere. But HCS has decided to change GVG based on the opinions of a few that complain on the forums, same few that seems to complain about everything. So you might aswell be talking to the wall as offering an opinion on the matter because your wasting your time talking to these fools.

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 19:12

Calling names? I dunno where you saw that in this post :roll:


Please take your childish and poorly thought out answers elsewhere. You say I'm upset because you might be catching me up or making FSP etc? Really, you really are a silly billy aren't you... Bless your little cotton socks, if you had read any of my most recent posts you'd see that nothing I've been arguing for recently would have any beneficial repercussions for me ;)



You may wish to go back and read the rest of the thread before commenting. :roll:


Silly billy? LOL Really? Thats the name calling? No thats fair enough, yeah I guess calling you a silly billy after you basically called me a selfish idiot in your first post was completely out of order. Now, would you care to tell me how one person can actually be called a guild? I'm sure you have seen the post which gives you the definition of the word 'guild' but I think you probably spouted some nonsense in your response. Now if you can get your head around the idea that a one man guild isn't even a 'guild' then you will see why your ranting about the other activities guilds can partake in is irrelevant, then maybe we can take this conversation further.


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