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#741 MaximusGR

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Posted 11 March 2010 - 06:08

Are you kidding me? How would you like it if you have 2k defense, and get hit by armor/dam when they have 500 attack? and if you have even remotely any attk, the 10-20% increase in attk should easily allow you to hit max defense. The 2% rule is enough already, SA is simply overpowered.


With the same logic, how can 500 damage get through 2000 armor and cause 1 HP loss? Both 2% and 1 damage/round are thre to ensure something is actually happening in the combat

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Posted 11 March 2010 - 13:00



Are you kidding me? How would you like it if you have 2k defense, and get hit by armor/dam when they have 500 attack? and if you have even remotely any attk, the 10-20% increase in attk should easily allow you to hit max defense. The 2% rule is enough already, SA is simply overpowered.


With the same logic, how can 500 damage get through 2000 armor and cause 1 HP loss? Both 2% and 1 damage/round are thre to ensure something is actually happening in the combat


Right, but you dont see an instant kill where damage ignores armor now do you? And you dont see anything that increases attk over defense in the other case do you? Either make one or the other...Im for the latter...

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#743 Sakuliver

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Posted 11 March 2010 - 17:01

It's almost Friday and some balances will hopefully be restored then. So here's another one which needs some tweaking, though I think Grim said only the coders can do this. Bring the number off epic-allowed tournies down (along with the previously mentioned more combat move tournies). With the recent introduction of all those new fancy epics, a small group of people have a huge advantage in the arena. I just had a look after a new spawning of tournies what is around:

83 tournies and in only 17 of them epics were not allowed. So the still pretty small group of people who have access to the epics dominate some 75% of the arena. Out of these 17 non-epic tournies, 4 were for moves and 5 for
Something interesting I also noticed and which is kind of useless is that out of 26 tournies for

#744 DaleJunior

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Posted 11 March 2010 - 19:17

It's almost Friday and some balances will hopefully be restored then. So here's another one which needs some tweaking, though I think Grim said only the coders can do this. Bring the number off epic-allowed tournies down (along with the previously mentioned more combat move tournies). With the recent introduction of all those new fancy epics, a small group of people have a huge advantage in the arena. I just had a look after a new spawning of tournies what is around:

83 tournies and in only 17 of them epics were not allowed. So the still pretty small group of people who have access to the epics dominate some 75% of the arena. Out of these 17 non-epic tournies, 4 were for moves and 5 for
Something interesting I also noticed and which is kind of useless is that out of 26 tournies for


While you do have a point, Sak, you will have to admit that the non-epic arenas are the slowest to fill. If there are so many people out there who do not have access to epics that are clamoring to enter these non epic arenas, Where Are They??? I have watched non-epic arenas even for very valuable items take quite a while longer to fill than their epic counter parts. I do not think that this situation is bad as you make it sound. Also, what you saw was just one random snapshot of the arena at a particular time. If you look at it over a much longer time period, you will notice that the epics and non epics eventually almost even out. It's completely random whether an arena will allow epics or not, allow moves or not, or allow forges or not. This is why the arenas below 100 also allow epics sometimes, because as they told us in a previous thread about this, it's just not feasible to enter all of those tourneys manually, so you get the odd arena below 100 that allows epics. Did I say that right, BG?

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Posted 11 March 2010 - 20:16

You're right that it was just a moment just after spawning, so the stats might differ a bit. But 21 out of 27
That epic tournies fill up faster than non-epic ones is kind of logical, especially for the expensive items. I personally don't check if these are epic or non-epic....I just want to get a chance before they fill up and you have to wait a long time already anyway before they show up. So when non-epic ones show up they take longer to fill as the epic wearers suddenly have to come up with a different setup (and possibly even skip them).

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Posted 12 March 2010 - 07:55

epics or no epics, the stalling is beginning due to relation between recipes/crysts and components...

Hopefully we get a great weekend with a) a decent scavenge and B) loads of components in arena including the ones that have been out of circulation for 10-14 days ( just need 1 yathul gem more to invent bhaltairs for guild, plz plz start spawning then again plz plz)

Phellans Set is under 10 FSP now which means most people will not enter for 325000 entry fee. solution? obviously to spawn less Phellans. Same goes with most of the new crysts...

#747 shokolo

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Posted 12 March 2010 - 09:12

celendais , dont you think the high cost of entry deter the casual player from joining arena?

I admit i am one of those casual players, i go in when there is a 5-10k arena, might go for more if i just hunted and have spare gold to throw.

But the cost of the new arena means ( in my opinion ) that only the pro's will bother to go in it .

My 2 orbs on stalling

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Posted 12 March 2010 - 10:10

Yathul gems and most of the new components could be 600K entry fee and they would still fill rapidly since 600K for a 1/16 chance to win item worth 100-400 FSP is OK .
but to win a crystalline worth 6-8 FSP paying 325K for a 1/16 chance is not what people yearn for. In fact at this point it is probably smarter to go to AH for most of the new crysts....

1 cryst tourney= 1 cryst item more in circulation= more in AH=price go down
1 component= 1/2 to 1/5 of 1 inventable epic ready to invent and can still blow up while inventing. and if you have 4 components for something you want to invent, you ain“t gonna be selling= few items in AH= price go up.

#749 BigGrim

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Posted 12 March 2010 - 11:52

Right then.

The existing Component Arenas have had their Weights increased. Lemme know if it helps. If not, we might have to increase em a bit more.

Crystalline. Do their weights need dropping slightly?

What's the feedback like for the sets themselves?

#750 shokolo

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Posted 12 March 2010 - 11:56

Can you lower the price for the recipes? :mrgreen:

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Posted 12 March 2010 - 12:03

yeah i think u can lower the rate of the recipe and the new cyrstaline items coming into arena BG cheers mate

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Posted 12 March 2010 - 12:16

Right then.

The existing Component Arenas have had their Weights increased. Lemme know if it helps. If not, we might have to increase em a bit more.

Crystalline. Do their weights need dropping slightly?

Recipes and crystalline are starting to stall the arena for the most part (takeos does not stall, but they are 8 player tourneys, and a high demand set)

#753 DaleJunior

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Posted 12 March 2010 - 12:45

Right then.

The existing Component Arenas have had their Weights increased. Lemme know if it helps. If not, we might have to increase em a bit more.

Crystalline. Do their weights need dropping slightly?

What's the feedback like for the sets themselves?


So far some of the sets are awesome. Gideons and Nolands have almost immediately become indespensible for winning in the arena. Takeos seems great for leveling (I hear this anyway, not that level myself) Am looking forward to using Torils set after my next hunt. I also hear that the high level players love the Acheron and Colvis sets, so it seems you have even pleased them as well! I will weigh in on other sets later.

One thing that seems to be happening is that because a lot of these new sets are attack sets, that max defense sets are rearing their ugly heads more than ever in the arena. Simply no way to get past them sometimes. I suppose this is all part of the game, but it's getting ever more frustrating because there's almost no way to beat it and still have enough damage to do in an armor set if you happen to run into it.

I feel you need to dramatically decrease the spawn rate of the new crystalline sets and add the first wave recipe components back into the mix, particularly components for Bhaltairs, Ivars, Brices and Ormarrs. Particularly if the new UB200 loyalty potion reward stays in the game. The instant it was introduced Takeos set immediately halved its value, and now it's considerably less.

Others please weigh in with your comments. BG is trying his best to make the arena work well for everyone, in a way that will last more than just a couple of days. It is a big undertaking to get it right, so everyone please give your opinions about all the new sets and what you think needs to be placed into the arena. Now is your chance. He won't be here much after today.

A couple more thoughts: Steamwork Cuirass components should be slowly re introduced into the arena. We also talked about higher gold prize tourneys. Any chance of adding a few of those? I admire the work you've done so far and look forward to your additional tweaks. Thanks again for all the hard work.

#754 evilbry

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Posted 12 March 2010 - 13:01

*wonders how cow tastes*

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Posted 12 March 2010 - 13:56

*wonders how cow tastes*


like steak.

#756 BigGrim

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Posted 12 March 2010 - 14:08

Can you lower the price for the recipes? :mrgreen:


All prices have been reduced by over 75% over the last 2 weeks or so. They don't need to be reduced any further, surely?

*wonders how cow tastes*


Like meaty based Awesome!

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Posted 12 March 2010 - 14:16

grim you will need to come up with a solution because already it's getting cheaper to buy recipes and crystalline gear from the AH than it is to enter (not quite there, but very close).

the lower you drop it the cheaper people will sell them for.

Here's a way you could think of this. 8 player and drop the price a bit more, should keep it flowing for a bit. But it will stall again in the very near future as people keep undercutting to try and get some return.

Another way to think of it, treat them like the potion of lesser buff master/potion of annihilation. Cheap as dirt. This will get a lot more people into the arena because it's not much outlay.

With the second option, this kinda ties in with making recipes unbound, making them accessable to all?

Just some clover for thought.

p.s. crystalline is a tough one. My suggestion would be give it the lowest weighting possible and even swap it out every couple of weeks with crystalline from the last batch. *shrugs*

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Posted 12 March 2010 - 14:44

p.s. crystalline is a tough one. My suggestion would be give it the lowest weighting possible and even swap it out every couple of weeks with crystalline from the last batch. *shrugs*


For crystalline not to stall we need UB200 removed from the game again. As it is I have my Takeos set and will never need to buy a new one for me, or my guild.

With UB190 the dropped on average 4 durability points per hunt (so figure 80 hunts to get used up). That's a lot, but it is at least finite.

Please reconsider UB200 for the sake of the arena - I love the new sets both for their usefulness and the artwork, so help us out!

P.S. Although I barely dabble in the arena it seems to me the weighting should be:

Gold tournaments
Legendary Components
Recipes and Crystalline
(Potions and Moves as now)

Highest spawn rate at the top.

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Posted 12 March 2010 - 14:47


p.s. crystalline is a tough one. My suggestion would be give it the lowest weighting possible and even swap it out every couple of weeks with crystalline from the last batch. *shrugs*


For crystalline not to stall we need UB200 removed from the game again. As it is I have my Takeos set and will never need to buy a new one for me, or my guild.

you need to remember, for crystalline to be in demand, it needs to be useful. If there's no demand/use peopel won't want to use it. There's only a very small number of people who will use most of the crystalline sets which are more pvp orientated than anything else. Takeos/Volkers are in demand because they are useful for what the bulk of the players do. Hunt.

Should crystalline take damage in the arena, this could also keep it flowing.

some more clover to chew on.

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Posted 12 March 2010 - 14:47

Can you lower the price for the recipes? :mrgreen:


All prices have been reduced by over 75% over the last 2 weeks or so. They don't need to be reduced any further, surely?

*wonders how cow tastes*


Like meaty based Awesome!


Recipes: i'd prefer to see a straight 50k-75k across the board. maybe 50/100/150, but i don't think it should cost more than 150k to enter a tourney for a recipe. the 850 tourneys are still at 425k. seems a bit steep.

otherwise - i think everything is looking good. would have been nice to have a set or two difficult to invent like bothild, but can't go back and fix that now.

now, go put the guardian in the caves please?


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