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#1201 fs_gravely

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 05:29

Vast difference between DH and Choker...no one completely, utterly controlled DH drops.

And DH is still beatable by defense setups if you know what you're doing - defense hardcore dominated 450-500+ for so long people were simply shocked armor could win on a regular basis.

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 05:29

Once more than 2-3 items are around, after a month or so, the system will balance itself out.


That's ok, let's wait for those 2-3 items, arena tourneys can wait too, no? ;)


Hehe, looking at some arena recipes, i feel they can , but they wont :P Its nice to see players trying to beat that set, i can name a few that have good enough sets to actually pull that off :) Better than just sitting in the corner crying 'foul' as per your suggestion no? ;)

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 05:33

Vast difference between DH and Choker...no one completely, utterly controlled DH drops.

And DH is still beatable by defense setups if you know what you're doing - defense hardcore dominated 450-500+ for so long people were simply shocked armor could win on a regular basis.



No one controls Choker drops..When Squiddy spawns, bring 20 people in and win one :) And its exactly the same case you are describing that was happening in 60-100 at least where i left it..Def or Att/def or Def/Damage sets were dominating armor sets until 2 days ago. Balance changed, some are adapting, some are retiring..

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 05:39

400 attack represents the stats of an item well over three times the effective level, max.

You control the current number of chokers in the game. Semantics aside, you most likely will for the forseeable (several months +) future.

I'm very tired of arguing whether people can challenge FFS for a titan. Yes, they COULD. But they don't.

I'm concerned about general arena health here, not the validity of what FFS does.

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 05:42

Regarding the choker drop and FFS , without taking sides , i have to ask , would we have all this drama if, lets say , Panic would have won the first drop?
They have arena players as well, no?

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 05:43

One, this isn't drama, and two, yes, if they were winning the ratio of tourneys.

I'm sure there would be FFS arena players out saying something should be done, too, lol.

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 05:45

hmmmz....seems like mini-drama to me :roll:

But lets pretend ( for once ) someone else won the first drop...just so we will have variety in the forum posts............. :|

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 05:59

Regarding the choker drop and FFS , without taking sides , i have to ask , would we have all this drama if, lets say , Panic would have won the first drop?
They have arena players as well, no?


There would be less uproar for sure if it was not FFS that had won a drop first. And we would make sure to win the next rather than look to get that one nerfed or countered with other new items :) I believe this was what cows had in mind when introducing such a good item.

Can you imagine the carnage if we had the old RP system rather than TKP?

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 06:07

Vast difference between DH and Choker...no one completely, utterly controlled DH drops.

And DH is still beatable by defense setups if you know what you're doing - defense hardcore dominated 450-500+ for so long people were simply shocked armor could win on a regular basis.


The Death set is overpowered for it's level and availability (made a post earlier comparing Death against two other LE sets and the difference were enormous). I haven't seen that stats on the new epic but since it's of a lower availability it should make a difference if you have one or not.

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 06:10

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 06:35

Once more than 2-3 items are around, after a month or so, the system will balance itself out.


That's ok, let's wait for those 2-3 items, arena tourneys can wait too, no? ;)


Hehe, looking at some arena recipes, i feel they can , but they wont :P Its nice to see players trying to beat that set, i can name a few that have good enough sets to actually pull that off :) Better than just sitting in the corner crying 'foul' as per your suggestion no? ;)



You don't understand, neither me nor Grave competes at those levels, that item doesn't change anything for me personally, but it does damage to the spirit of the arena. I was first solo player who earned Silver medal in 6 weeks using only common items back then when Arena was slow. WW was easy to beat with common items, so I know what is challenge and what is donation to FFS, you say there is 10% chance to beat that item, what are chances to beat it 4 times in a row? How many frackers enter one tournament? Besides I like skillful arena, if there is less than 50% chance to beat my opponent this is based on luck.

As for people trying to beat you, I will definitely make a list of those players and check what they were saying in the forums etc, just in case..

Developers of this game can change it as they think is right, I can only support or not support those changes. This time I vote against this item, I will stop joining arena in my level range till 4 different guilds have that item or stats is cut, and I am not going to donate to the game for 6 months. Let's call it my vote against unprofessional work.

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 07:19

http://fallensword.c... ... _id=237017

its not that choker is unbeatable ... lol relax guys ... though i do agree it completly destroys anything below level 100 ... according to me that things need to lose atleast 200 attack or 100 armor .

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 07:36

http://fallensword.com/index.php?cmd=arena&subcmd=results&pvp_id=237017

its not that choker is unbeatable ... lol relax guys ... though i do agree it completly destroys anything below level 100 ... according to me that things need to lose atleast 200 attack or 100 armor .


it's beatable only because frackers are not that good in designing setups and strategies for the arena, I would cut number of tourneys with epics for those levels because arena won't be normal till some new Common overpowered items balance all strategies..

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 07:43

http://fallensword.com/index.php?cmd=arena&subcmd=results&pvp_id=237017

its not that choker is unbeatable ... lol relax guys ... though i do agree it completly destroys anything below level 100 ... according to me that things need to lose atleast 200 attack or 100 armor .


it's beatable only because frackers are not that good in designing setups and strategies for the arena, I would cut number of tourneys with epics for those levels because arena won't be normal till some new Common overpowered items balance all strategies..


well I try to steer clear of anything below level 100 and do only good items or big gold prices between 100 and 200 ... was told that FFS were owning everyone in those levels and they were impossible to beat ... it was just to show that it is not the case above level 100 .... i designed a set by loaning a lot of equipment from my arena buddies lol

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 09:06

Vast difference between DH and Choker...no one completely, utterly controlled DH drops.

And DH is still beatable by defense setups if you know what you're doing - defense hardcore dominated 450-500+ for so long people were simply shocked armor could win on a regular basis.


The Death set is overpowered for it's level and availability (made a post earlier comparing Death against two other LE sets and the difference were enormous). I haven't seen that stats on the new epic but since it's of a lower availability it should make a difference if you have one or not.


The Death set is nothing comparing to this new Epic.

(708 pts - 55 pts (hell forge)) / 60 lvls = 10.88 pts / lvl

10.88 pts / lvl * 450 lvls = 4896 pts in one item before hell forging

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 12:12

Vast difference between DH and Choker...no one completely, utterly controlled DH drops.

And DH is still beatable by defense setups if you know what you're doing - defense hardcore dominated 450-500+ for so long people were simply shocked armor could win on a regular basis.


The Death set is overpowered for it's level and availability (made a post earlier comparing Death against two other LE sets and the difference were enormous). I haven't seen that stats on the new epic but since it's of a lower availability it should make a difference if you have one or not.


The Death set is nothing comparing to this new Epic.

(708 pts - 55 pts (hell forge)) / 60 lvls = 10.88 pts / lvl

10.88 pts / lvl * 450 lvls = 4896 pts in one item before hell forging


Ohh, sounds a tad bit overpowered or should I say good bang for the buck?

I think Death had something like 3.8 (P/FF) and Azure must be even lower (think it's like 1400 points and 500 level which would land it somewhere around 2.8 ).

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 14:17

Bump. Hi Grim.

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Posted 21 May 2010 - 00:55

Look at the new Amulet super powerful! But its epic so in nonepic GF!!

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Posted 21 May 2010 - 02:26

By my *rough* count, a Fracker has won 17 out of 18 arenas in the lvl 60-100 range that allow Epics with podfog winning the lvl 99 Boar Tusk Arena as the only exception. That's a 94% win rate.

On arenas with no Epics allowed, I believe it was 1 out of 5 arenas won by a Fracker (Conscar) in the level 60-99 range.

#1220 avvakum

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Posted 21 May 2010 - 04:31

By my *rough* count, a Fracker has won 17 out of 18 arenas in the lvl 60-100 range that allow Epics with podfog winning the lvl 99 Boar Tusk Arena as the only exception. That's a 94% win rate.

On arenas with no Epics allowed, I believe it was 1 out of 5 arenas won by a Fracker (Conscar) in the level 60-99 range.



ask those players why they enter arena in lvl 60-100 range that allow Epics, people with self respect would never allow developers to treat them as badly as it's now. What should have been said by arena players: "You just disrespected us and that's not acceptable to us. If you don't respect us, we won't spend time with the arena anymore."


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