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#21 andyvince

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Posted 04 March 2010 - 11:41

I am on your side on the issue of GVG affecting game economy. But you not correct in saying

HCS wants a gold sink not FSP sink...

HCS want FSP to sink to get people donating, meaning profitable for them to run the game. I am surprised you not realised this, you joined the game in 2006. :?
For players, the game need gold sinks to balance the in-game economic, so not ending up just a few who can get the FSP in game.

#22 Spitfire666123

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Posted 04 March 2010 - 12:10

HCS wants a gold sink not FSP sink...


no... PLAYERS want to sink gold...

Less gold = Cheaper in-game FSP = Less bought from Donations

FPS Sink = More FSPs being bought through Donations = more money for HCS ;)

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Posted 04 March 2010 - 19:04

I am on your side on the issue of GVG affecting game economy. But you not correct in saying

HCS wants a gold sink not FSP sink...

HCS want FSP to sink to get people donating, meaning profitable for them to run the game. I am surprised you not realised this, you joined the game in 2006. :?
For players, the game need gold sinks to balance the in-game economic, so not ending up just a few who can get the FSP in game.


yes i know hcs wants us to buy more but they're not dumb they know that if they make a huge fsp sink and throw off the balance that less people will buy fsp... no one wants to spend real money in an unstable market

plus they know they will lose players with another fsp sink

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Posted 04 March 2010 - 21:39

holyspit without being mean i know you don't like gvg but your a freaking pvper it's like 2 sides to the same coin atleast what i do i don't take away from other people and hurt they're game don't get me wrong i have no problem with pvpers and what they do but don't say i'm the scum of fs earth if you steal from other people for your own profit when i try to make fsp i don't take others gold away from them

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Posted 04 March 2010 - 21:52

holyspit without being mean i know you don't like gvg but your a freaking pvper it's like 2 sides to the same coin atleast what i do i don't take away from other people and hurt they're game don't get me wrong i have no problem with pvpers and what they do but don't say i'm the scum of fs earth if you steal from other people for your own profit when i try to make fsp i don't take others gold away from them


no you would just rather make our gold worthless :P

#26 Spitfire666123

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Posted 04 March 2010 - 23:11

holyspit without being mean i know you don't like gvg but your a freaking pvper it's like 2 sides to the same coin atleast what i do i don't take away from other people and hurt they're game don't get me wrong i have no problem with pvpers and what they do but don't say i'm the scum of fs earth if you steal from other people for your own profit when i try to make fsp i don't take others gold away from them


umm... who said i dont like GvG? Im in a top GvG Guild for crying out loud =\

What i dont like are the GvG Guilds that are trying to take advantage and make a quick FSP... and ill be ready to smash all of said guilds when the option is available

#27 andyvince

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Posted 05 March 2010 - 04:46

GvG does not provide much of an FSP sink: the only "sinking" is the 1 FSP used to do the attack.

For people who GvG purely for profit, they also using FSBox heavily be that for recruiting GvGer, GvGer offering services or selling the final items… and don’t forget the10 FSP used to create the guild for that purpose only.

Forging, character upgrades and guild upgrades are probably the dominant FSP sinks.

that’s why I said:

But there are already many other ways to sink FSP that are positive for the whole community.

Those FSP sinks are not purely used for the purpose of quick buck.

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Why not make it that a guild needs to reach a certain levels in order to do GvG. So players cannot just create a guild and jump straight into GvG just to farm RPs. I mean, guild levels doesn’t add much use to a guild, other than being Top 250 in current scheme of things.

#28 fs_flames68

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Posted 05 March 2010 - 14:03

lol fsp not circulating lol i have spend like everything i have made on gear and other items for my guild more fsp circulates at one time when someone buys or sellls a gvg item just like with the titan item

#29 fs_raklim

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Posted 05 March 2010 - 18:24

lol fsp not circulating lol i have spend like everything i have made on gear and other items for my guild more fsp circulates at one time when someone buys or sellls a gvg item just like with the titan item


titan items are limited at the number and rate they enter the game so don't compare GVG to titan


normal supply and demand is 1 or 2 tears enter the game a weak which would be roughly 1000-1400 fsp total in game moved. with increase supply due to over active GVGness 5-6 will enter every week. prices drop from 700 each to merely 400 each crashing the prices of that but also taking 2400 fsp out near twice as much as normal. This causes you to either invest into the guild to do again or in armor/upgrades. Either way it stimulates extra fsp being thrown into another market crashing the prices there OR reducing the amount of FSP in circulation Which rises the price per FSP higher which lowers the value of gold. these numbers are all rough and inaccurate i know but its just an example.

Its like introducing more frogs to a pond with already a scarcity of flies. Eventually the ecosystem will run out of flies and all the frogs will die!

#30 mikkyld

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Posted 05 March 2010 - 19:17

HCS wants a gold sink not FSP sink...


no... PLAYERS want to sink gold...

Less gold = Cheaper in-game FSP = Less bought from Donations

FPS Sink = More FSPs being bought through Donations = more money for HCS ;)


true however HCS has stated that they do indeed want gold sinks and I still wonder (and will always wonder) why they don't just reduce the amount of gold awarded by creatures. Voila! Gold Sink

#31 cyrus7

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Posted 06 March 2010 - 00:24

HCS has stated that they do indeed want gold sinks and I still wonder (and will always wonder) why they don't just reduce the amount of gold awarded by creatures. Voila! Gold Sink

Can you imagine the complaints? :shock:

#32 Spitfire666123

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Posted 06 March 2010 - 00:37

HCS has stated that they do indeed want gold sinks and I still wonder (and will always wonder) why they don't just reduce the amount of gold awarded by creatures. Voila! Gold Sink

Can you imagine the complaints? :shock:


True... but its really what is needed, (as well as something to take out alot of the gold already in the game) so who cares if people whine? >.<

#33 fs_flames68

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Posted 06 March 2010 - 03:49

lol so now it's not gvg it's a gold sink lol

#34 Spitfire666123

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Posted 06 March 2010 - 03:54

lol so now it's not gvg it's a gold sink lol


'sinking gold' in oder to get an RP item for FSP is not a 'gold sink'...

a 'gold sink' would be stealing all gold from somebody with 5M+ (MT) and entering into 20+ tourneys... even ones you have no chance to win >.>

#35 fs_flames68

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 21:49

isn't that what the arena is for lol


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