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#1 fs_grimaldius

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 16:40

I am outraged that after looking at the conditions of recompense due to the last update, me, a player who has been completely loyal to the game for 3 YEARS, does not benefit from as many 'allegiance tokens' (loyalty in currency form apparently) as your average "oo! new game! I'll spend 500 dollars, go on holiday then come back and play" player. On their return from holiday ... "oooo! look! 10000 allegiance points! go me! only played 10 days and get all these points for being loyal apparently ahaha XD" ...

All an example, but get my point?

HCS. Loyalty is the only angle a player with not enough money to spend on a game can get over a rich player who has spent comparatively little time with the game, and you deprive us of even this because of your greed?!

Us players who have suggested this game to friends and family, suggested it online to others and have been that one extra player on the 'players online' link are obviously not valued as much as the investment bankers, doctors and stock dealers who play. Money is everything as always.

#2 fs_stickisgod

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 16:44

Sure, I'll take more points for playing close to 3 years. I'm all for making it retroactive to the day we started playing. It will shut up all the whiners. And while you do that, please triple the amount of points it costs for the potions as so many people will have so many points. :D

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 16:58

We gave all players 50 Allegiance Tokens to everyone initially.

I'm sorry that your feel outraged, however we just felt it was the right thing to do to allocate Allegiance Tokens for people who had donated to the game.

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 17:01

We gave all players 50 Allegiance Tokens to everyone initially.

I'm sorry that your feel outraged, however we just felt it was the right thing to do to allocate Allegiance Tokens for people who had donated to the game.


ok, i understand you are trying to show love to those who have been loyal, but what about those people that have been loyal from day one? you are calling their loyalty worth only 10 days of LP?

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 17:14

Wow... FS is a free game (if you don't donate). It's amazing how much people think they can complain about a service that they're getting for free. Maybe you should ask for a refund on all the nothing that you've given in exchange for countless hours of gamplay.

If I went to the supermarket and got a load of free food, I certainly wouldn't be complaining if it didn't taste quite as nice as the stuff that people pay for. If you're getting something for nothing then really you should be happy..

After all the work that they've put in to provide us with a game and content to play for the past 3 years, I personally think it's more a case of we owe them, rather then they owe us for showing up and playing..

#6 fs_grimaldius

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 17:17

We gave all players 50 Allegiance Tokens to everyone initially.

I'm sorry that your feel outraged, however we just felt it was the right thing to do to allocate Allegiance Tokens for people who had donated to the game.


ok, i understand you are trying to show love to those who have been loyal, but what about those people that have been loyal from day one? you are calling their loyalty worth only 10 days of LP?


Exactly! what is 50 AT?! nothing. Been playing for 3 years and have introduced many people to this game, including my mate who has spent easily over one thousand pounds, and that is worth 50 tokens?

Your reply certainly confirms your answer to the question "will HSC update the game to backdate AT for all players".

Thanks for your response anyway.

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 17:23

Wow... FS is a free game (if you don't donate). It's amazing how much people think they can complain about a service that they're getting for free. Maybe you should ask for a refund on all the nothing that you've given in exchange for countless hours of gamplay.

If I went to the supermarket and got a sh1tload of free food, I certainly wouldn't be complaining if it didn't taste quite as nice as the stuff that people pay for. If you're getting something for nothing then really you should be happy..



Are you saying that all the promoting i and others have done for the game, plus the things we have done to keep people interested is worth nothing?

As far as i know...we DONATE to the game...we don't pay for the service...NONE of us. But what we 'do' do, is entice more players to play and keep the game alive, and HCS hope we will donate.

I say EVERYONE should get backdated for AT, not just non donaters. And for your information, i, myself have donated around 150 pounds to the game.

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 17:26

Wow... FS is a free game (if you don't donate). It's amazing how much people think they can complain about a service that they're getting for free. Maybe you should ask for a refund on all the nothing that you've given in exchange for countless hours of gamplay.

If I went to the supermarket and got a sh1tload of free food, I certainly wouldn't be complaining if it didn't taste quite as nice as the stuff that people pay for. If you're getting something for nothing then really you should be happy..


ok, i want you to see how important us non-donators are...
if you could get a percentage of donators vs. non-donators, you would find their are over 60% non-donators, without us, this game would have so few players that it wouldn't even be on the top 50 list of MMORPG's. Without us the FS as we know it today, would not exist. We are the players that scavenge your potions, that find your SE's, and give suggestions on how to fix things. Without us, the game would have less donating players, since we were never here to recruit them. non-donaters are more important than you think

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 17:29

Wow... FS is a free game (if you don't donate). It's amazing how much people think they can complain about a service that they're getting for free. Maybe you should ask for a refund on all the nothing that you've given in exchange for countless hours of gamplay.

If I went to the supermarket and got a sh1tload of free food, I certainly wouldn't be complaining if it didn't taste quite as nice as the stuff that people pay for. If you're getting something for nothing then really you should be happy..



Are you saying that all the promoting i and others have done for the game, plus the things we have done to keep people interested is worth nothing?

As far as i know...we DONATE to the game...we don't pay for the service...NONE of us. But what we 'do' do, is entice more players to play and keep the game alive, and HCS hope we will donate.

I say EVERYONE should get backdated for AT, not just non donaters. And for your information, i, myself have donated around 150 pounds to the game.


You didn't get your fsp for your recruits? that's what recruits are worth.

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 18:35

Yeah I wasn't exactly saying than non donaters are not important. Every serious and active player who participates here matters. But what I am saying is if it's decided to give an extra bonus to the people who donate to the game as well as doing all the things that non donaters do. Then there is not really any reason for people to be outraged or start making demands. If you are playing FS without donating and doing all the things mentioned above then your reward is a nice game to play for free. If you are playing FS, doing all of that, and spending your hard earned cash on it (lets be realistic here this game would not continue to run, certainly as it is now if no one donated) Then why should you not get a little extra now and then

Anyone who plays here without spending real money on it is already getting something that those who buy fsp are not getting - a free game, so I just think we should all (myself included) be grateful for everything that HCS have done to make this game available and payable for people who either don't want to or can't donate to it. Rather than getting pissed at them for giving someone else more than they gave you

Also for what it's worth, I am unable to donate to the game (I was able to in 2008 and early 2009) because I no longer have a credit card, paypal account or any other type of service that allows me to spend money online. So personally im glad that other people are still pumping money directly into the game, and glad that this is still a profitable business and not only kept here for us to play, but regularly updated with new content, and im grateful not only to HCS but to the other players who are spending a lot more than I ever did, to ensure that this continues to be possible..

#11 fs_grantslego

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 18:41

Yeah I wasn't exactly saying than non donaters are not important. Every serious and active player who participates here matters. But what I am saying is if it's decided to give an extra bonus to the people who donate to the game as well as doing all the things that non donaters do. Then there is not really any reason for people to be outraged or start making demands. If you are playing FS without donating and doing all the things mentioned above then your reward is a nice game to play for free. If you are playing FS, doing all of that, and spending your hard earned cash on it (lets be realistic here this game would not continue to run, certainly as it is now if no one donated) Then why should you not get a little extra now and then

You get fsp isn't that enough, we have to work for our fsp, you all can just buy yours

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 18:52

Yeah I wasn't exactly saying than non donaters are not important. Every serious and active player who participates here matters. But what I am saying is if it's decided to give an extra bonus to the people who donate to the game as well as doing all the things that non donaters do. Then there is not really any reason for people to be outraged or start making demands. If you are playing FS without donating and doing all the things mentioned above then your reward is a nice game to play for free. If you are playing FS, doing all of that, and spending your hard earned cash on it (lets be realistic here this game would not continue to run, certainly as it is now if no one donated) Then why should you not get a little extra now and then

You get fsp isn't that enough, we have to work for our fsp, you all can just buy yours


Good lord, you really just don't get it do you?

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#13 Dowster

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 18:55

If you had read my whole post you would see that I can't buy fsp, and the people that can have to work for the money that they use to buy them anyways...

#14 fs_oblivion05

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 18:58

They simply reward the players who Donate, it's not unfair, they just reward us I don't see a problem in that o.O
FS is free for you guys, be happy, the people that donate keep the game free for the people who do not donate!

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 19:49

Also I think it's rather unfortunate that anyone would consider playing the game as work. If that was the way I felt about it I would start looking for a game that I actually found fun. Im sure most of us who live in the real world have some concept of what work is, and it's certainly not making fsp in fallensword

I only get about 3-5 hours available for sleep out of every 24 and I still take a little time out of that to get on FS when im at home (rarely but I do) because I find it to be an escape from stress and hardship..

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 20:24

Are you saying that all the promoting i and others have done for the game, plus the things we have done to keep people interested is worth nothing?



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If you had recruited players then you would have been given a medal for doing so. That is your reward for promoting the game.

Your continued reward for your loyalty(logging in) will be 5 AT per day, just like everyone else. The fact that people that donated to this game were given something has exactly zero bearing on you. You and every single active player in this game were rewarded exactly the same for logging in. What you can't seem to grasp is that completely separate from your logging in, players were given a bonus for donating. The fact that their bonus can be used to buy things that are also gained by AT has no relevance.

HCS is rewarding 2 different things, the rewards happen to be AT points and the AT points happen to buy the same things, other then that there is no correlation.

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 20:35

all i can really say to those who think this is a bad idea is that you guys are complete idiots!!! you should all be kicked from the game for being so foolish!! if people did not donate to the game the game would not be in existence!!! you think hunted cow employees just update this game for fun??? if that was the case they would all be homeless. Seriously are you all fools i think they should give more stuff to people who donate to the game. Instead of complaining thank those who do donate to the game they are the only people who truly keep this game alive

#18 fs_grimaldius

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 22:41



Are you saying that all the promoting i and others have done for the game, plus the things we have done to keep people interested is worth nothing?



Recruiting:
grimaldius has recruited 0 active player(s) to the game

If you had recruited players then you would have been given a medal for doing so. That is your reward for promoting the game.

Your continued reward for your loyalty(logging in) will be 5 AT per day, just like everyone else. The fact that people that donated to this game were given something has exactly zero bearing on you. You and every single active player in this game were rewarded exactly the same for logging in. What you can't seem to grasp is that completely separate from your logging in, players were given a bonus for donating. The fact that their bonus can be used to buy things that are also gained by AT has no relevance.

HCS is rewarding 2 different things, the rewards happen to be AT points and the AT points happen to buy the same things, other then that there is no correlation.



Okay, first off, I never said i recruited through a computer, there is also this thing called 'real life'?

Now then ... I am aware that ALL players get AT for logging in, but our money contributions are being backdated and loyalty to the game is not...which makes this updates connection to 'loyalty' a contradiction in terms.

What you can't seem to grasp is that completely separate from your logging in, players were given a bonus for donating.


You can't seem to grasp the value of loyalty and the way it was rewarded recently...we dont recieve tokens from log in's prior to the update, with donations, we do. Some say 'You cant buy loyalty with money' ...its a virtue as valued as love and honor, and the oldies are not getting enough love!

So why is loyalty not rewarded to the same extent of currency contributions?



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Posted 09 March 2010 - 22:43



Are you saying that all the promoting i and others have done for the game, plus the things we have done to keep people interested is worth nothing?



Recruiting:
grimaldius has recruited 0 active player(s) to the game

If you had recruited players then you would have been given a medal for doing so. That is your reward for promoting the game.

Your continued reward for your loyalty(logging in) will be 5 AT per day, just like everyone else. The fact that people that donated to this game were given something has exactly zero bearing on you. You and every single active player in this game were rewarded exactly the same for logging in. What you can't seem to grasp is that completely separate from your logging in, players were given a bonus for donating. The fact that their bonus can be used to buy things that are also gained by AT has no relevance.

HCS is rewarding 2 different things, the rewards happen to be AT points and the AT points happen to buy the same things, other then that there is no correlation.



Okay, first off, I never said i recruited through a computer, there is also this thing called 'real life'?

Now then ... I am aware that ALL players get AT for logging in, but our money contributions are being backdated and loyalty to the game is not...which makes this updates connection to 'loyalty' a contradiction in terms.

What you can't seem to grasp is that completely separate from your logging in, players were given a bonus for donating.


You can't seem to grasp the value of loyalty and the way it was rewarded recently...we don't receive tokens from log in's prior to the update, with donations, we do. Some say 'You cant buy loyalty with money' ...its a virtue as valued as love and honour, and the oldies are not getting enough love!

So why is loyalty not rewarded to the same extent of currency contributions?



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No response, just a spelling check :P

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 23:07



You can't seem to grasp the value of loyalty and the way it was rewarded recently...we don't receive tokens from log in's prior to the update, with donations, we do. Some say 'You cant buy loyalty with money' ...its a virtue as valued as love and honour, and the oldies are not getting enough love!

So why is loyalty not rewarded to the same extent of currency contributions?



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No response, just a spelling check :P



Well done. You just wasted 2 mins of your life pointing out spelling mistakes...very mature lol and quite ironic as you back HCS on this point and their developers have regularly made spelling mistakes :P are they not intelligent. I sometimes have bad spelling, but i could tell you that to your face 'no problem' ... mister 'never misspelled anything' :)


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