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#21 jinks

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Posted 17 March 2010 - 16:46

How would you get different Titan components? Place differently? Nah, I don't buy that, scrap the titan drop altogether..

If titans don't give out RP let them give out TP, build your own epics built from TP purchased components?


Thats why I suggested a % of the epic depending on the place...I'm sure something could be sorted...along the lines of TP, as you put it. You get 100 TP for 2nd, 75 for 3rd, 50 for 4th, 25 for 5th. The oggy gloves take 750 TP to invent, Skally boots take 1000 or 1250 etc etc.

Either way, I agree it should be seperate from gvg rewards.

#22 MaximusGR

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Posted 17 March 2010 - 16:50

If titans don't give out RP let them give out TP, build your own epics built from TP purchased components?


Separating Titans from GvG can be a major step in convincing guilds to try harder..special buff packs needing Titan Points or a mix of TP and RP would do the trick, as well as Epics that can be purchased with TP (NOT the same as Titan drops, with various interesting stat allocations -high attack items, full defense items etc)

Each Titan has to have their own Titan points and the drop cannot be scrapped because its what we are supposed to be fighting over.

#23 Mister Doom

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Posted 17 March 2010 - 16:51

It should ALL be either components, TP or RP.. NO drop. If there's a drop for 1st place it's still a massive jump up from the 2nd place and STILL leaves room for market manipulation, domination and that foul taste in the back of your throat..

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#24 Mister Doom

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Posted 17 March 2010 - 16:53



If titans don't give out RP let them give out TP, build your own epics built from TP purchased components?


Separating Titans from GvG can be a major step in convincing guilds to try harder..special buff packs needing Titan Points or a mix of TP and RP would do the trick, as well as Epics that can be purchased with TP (NOT the same as Titan drops, with various interesting stat allocations -high attack items, full defense items etc)

Each Titan has to have their own Titan points and the drop cannot be scrapped because its what we are supposed to be fighting over.


Look, noone fights for the titan drop anymore and you damn well know it..

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#25 SgtDrunkie

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Posted 17 March 2010 - 16:55

Each Titan has to have their own Titan points


I see the reasoning for this, personally I would like a generic TP as that way I can hunt other titans and eventually get a Tsucki helm for the guild, but I do see the reasoning for having TP for each individual titan.

#26 acvila

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Posted 17 March 2010 - 17:53

i will tell from the start that my post will be or not be sarcastic.

Hey, i have an idea, lets change the loto system after me, so i can win. I will think at a number. and you will have to select it from a bunch of other numbers, of course, with your eyes blinded. if you don't choose it from the start, no problem, choose the number until i win. is a win win me situation.

you want RP? you want cheap titan items? GO OUT THERE AND HUNT THE TITANS. stop making ideas on how to improve titan system if you don't participate.

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Posted 17 March 2010 - 18:21

you want RP? you want cheap titan items? GO OUT THERE AND HUNT THE TITANS. stop making ideas on how to improve titan system if you don't participate.

Apparently you are missing the whole point of the topic. The suggestions are EXACTLY so that hunting the titans would be more appealing and so more people would participate. The "you don't participate, therefore you are not allowed to make suggestions" crap is childish. I hope Grim removes your off-topic and insulting post too.

Back to the topic.

Whether you call'em epic shards or titan points, the idea sound great. Further suggestion : every single one of the participants should get a number of titan points proportional to their contribution. Example : an Ogalith with 5000 Titan HP spawns - that would mean 5000 titan points available for the taking. If a guild scores even two measly kills, they get two titan points :) That way everybody would get a piece of the reward, however small, and in time those titan points would add up. I think this would greatly increase the number of guilds and players that would involve in titan hunting.

Oh, and I'm also totally for NO DROP. The titan items should be built on titan points (+-fsp gold whatever). You don't even have to affect current prices - for my previous example a pair of Ogalith's gloves would cost 5000 TP to make. The proportions would be kept. And everyone would get a piece of the pie :) And titan hunts would become so more challenging!

P.S. Didn't think of nor calculated the numbers for the other titans. If the idea is implemented I'm sure the devs would come up with fair numbers of TP for everything.

#28 MaximusGR

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Posted 17 March 2010 - 18:52

Apparently you are missing the whole point of the topic. The suggestions are EXACTLY so that hunting the titans would be more appealing and so more people would participate. The "you don't participate, therefore you are not allowed to make suggestions" crap is childish. I hope Grim removes your off-topic and insulting post too.


Actually acvila is right on topic, people do not like the fact FFS is winning every Titan and selling the drops, so they try to find ways to "improve" the system, in other words, to take away our income source or greatly reduce it...And they do so while not coming to Titan maps but rather in the forum to debate..

Apart from that, sorry but you are not even close to knowing what it takes to achieve a win so you cannot be asking for removal of the drop for top guild..We evolved into successful Titan hunters and went through a period where the 2nd did not get a thing..Now 4 guilds get RP and hunters get credited with medal kills..Since those are not enough, i suggest splitting Titans from GvG and adding exclusive rewards for hunting Titans..Which will motivate guilds to come and hunt to get those.

If you want challenging hunts, assemble a team of hunters and bring it..We long for a challenge and we ll give you a good one :)

#29 fs_ando

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Posted 17 March 2010 - 22:00

:) I am sorry that Grim deleted some posts, but I will mention it again, in a few words : people should stop taking things so personally; especially you frackers. Some of you guys are SO SURE that people are so jealous on your winning every titan/epic items/income source and of course THAT is why these changes are proposed. False. That's just the fracker ego talking.

People just want a shot at a titan. People are targetting the titan system, not FFS. Of course you like the way things are now :) and object to every suggestion of change. It is understandable that FFS cannot be objective to suggestions.

No matter what you say, the only way to stop people from asking/proposing/thinking out loud is a ban on the forum :) Until that happens, be ready to deal with whatever anyone has to suggest.

And if you so long for a challenge... why not agree to suggestions that will bring more people into the playing field ? If you are so confident on your power and expertise and whatever, then why are you so afraid of suggestions, mere words on the forum ? :) Afraid that the devs might actually implement some of these ideas and take away a big slice of FFS' cake ?

P.S. I already stated my opinion on the proposed change two posts ago and I am sticking to it.

#30 EJames2100

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Posted 17 March 2010 - 22:14

Getting a reward for killing a % of the Titan is a much better idea than 2nd-5th places, .
Good idea Doom

Oh and BTW, every Titan changing idea is about how we can stop FFS from winning and also every FFS is against changing the Titan idea.

Those 2 statements are about as valid as each other.

#31 Khanate

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Posted 17 March 2010 - 22:42



If titans don't give out RP let them give out TP, build your own epics built from TP purchased components?


Separating Titans from GvG can be a major step in convincing guilds to try harder..special buff packs needing Titan Points or a mix of TP and RP would do the trick, as well as Epics that can be purchased with TP (NOT the same as Titan drops, with various interesting stat allocations -high attack items, full defense items etc)

Each Titan has to have their own Titan points and the drop cannot be scrapped because its what we are supposed to be fighting over.


Why should the item not be the same? Not that lesser-epic item idea again I hope, a lesser item will just mean a crystalline that doesn't lose durability, it won't interest anyone.

#32 MaximusGR

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Posted 17 March 2010 - 22:52

Why should the item not be the same? Not that lesser-epic item idea again I hope, a lesser item will just mean a crystalline that doesn't lose durability, it won't interest anyone.



Because ranking 1st once cant be compared with ranking 2nd or 3rd a few times..If you want the drop, rank 1st. :) If your limits are up to finishing 2nd or below, settle for a smaller reward..

Do you regard Inferno Hammer and Steamwork Cuirass as crystallines without durability loss? That kind of Epics(right stats, no gains) could easily be added and have a market of their own for the guilds that regularly place in top 5..

#33 evilbry

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Posted 17 March 2010 - 23:18



Why should the item not be the same? Not that lesser-epic item idea again I hope, a lesser item will just mean a crystalline that doesn't lose durability, it won't interest anyone.



Because ranking 1st once cant be compared with ranking 2nd or 3rd a few times..If you want the drop, rank 1st. :) If your limits are up to finishing 2nd or below, settle for a smaller reward..

Do you regard Inferno Hammer and Steamwork Cuirass as crystallines without durability loss? That kind of Epics(right stats, no gains) could easily be added and have a market of their own for the guilds that regularly place in top 5..

so you want:
- Protect your monopoly of the market on titan items
- Create a game of the have and the have nots. HCS have never implemented anything that non dontators could not access. This is a dangerous step in the wrong direction with separating those with the fast connections and monopolistic tactics from those who can't. GvG at least anyone, new to the game or not can participate in and gain a reward of value.

#34 MaximusGR

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Posted 17 March 2010 - 23:29

so you want:
- Protect your monopoly of the market on titan items
- Create a game of the have and the have nots. HCS have never implemented anything that non dontators could not access. This is a dangerous step in the wrong direction with separating those with the fast connections and monopolistic tactics from those who can't. GvG at least anyone, new to the game or not can participate in and gain a reward of value.


- Not at all. There is no monopoly when titan realms are open to any number of players of any guild..They just have to kill it more times than every other guild and the item is theirs :) FFS has worked hard to take advantage of both our fast hunters and number of active members, it seems to be paying off, is anything wrong with adapting and outrunning everyone else in the current system?

- You dont have to be a donator to hunt Titans..You dont have to be a donator to have a fast connection as well :) You dont have to be a donator to complete GvGs and make enough FSP to buy Titan drops either if you lack both the speed and the resources to get a team going and win them..

#35 Khanate

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Posted 17 March 2010 - 23:52

Because ranking 1st once cant be compared with ranking 2nd or 3rd a few times


That's entirely an opinion.

I will make a parallel with a recent event : the Olympics.

The Olympics does not officially acknowledged a winner of the games, yet most newspaper will rank countries to see who is "winning". However the way these rankings are done can vary wildly. A few of the most prominent methods:

- Gold count
- Total count
- Per capita
- Weighted ranking

Per capita has been suggested a few times for titans to be shot down in flames as it is (imo) absurd.

Total count is obviously flawed as a gold medal should be worth more than a bronze medal. However, it is often used in certain countries as it put USA on top instead of China in recent years.

Gold count assumes that silver and bronze medal are worthless, which is quite false imo. This is also used in many countries, putting a different country on top (Canada this year).

Weighted rankings acknowledges that silver and bronze medals are quite good scores, yet far from being as good as gold. Seems like the most fair system to me, although it might be hard to comprehend on a quick read. However in FS we aren't doing quick reads, especially not in a guild ready to start hunting titans.

I firmly believe that many 2nd and 3rd place can be better than a single first place and I therefore think that weighted rewards should be put in place.

I propose as a tentative solution numbers based on the Fibonacci sequence (the nth number is the sum of the n-1 and n-2 numbers), skipping the first 1, as it is one of the methods used for weight rankings in the Olympics:

5th: 1 Point
4th: 2 Points
3rd: 3 Points
2ng: 5 points
1st: 8 points (Automatically awarded the drop)

8 Points = an epic.

Though it could probably be tweak so that a few more points are needed while keeping 1st as an automatic win.

#36 Kevin

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Posted 18 March 2010 - 00:03


Because ranking 1st once cant be compared with ranking 2nd or 3rd a few times


That's entirely an opinion.

I will make a parallel with a recent event : the Olympics.


Everything is an opinion. Your statement is an opinion. Do you have any other examples besides the Olympics? Which by the way, I heard the commentators talk on numerous occasions about how long it has been since this or that country has won the gold in a particular event. So, Gold is what matters.

Any other competition I can think of, First place is what matters. Tennis, Golf, Soccer, Football, Bowling, Pool, Chess, etc. If someone keeps getting second place, they are not remembered. It is the player or teams that win First, or win First numerous times, that are remembered. I am a tennis fan, so I can speak of that specifically. Michael Chang or Anna Kournikova are 2 good examples. People might know their names, but not for their tennis. Even Pete Sampras has the dark cloud of not winning the French Open.

As a great man once said, "If you're not first, you're last".

#37 Khanate

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Posted 18 March 2010 - 00:14


Because ranking 1st once cant be compared with ranking 2nd or 3rd a few times


That's entirely an opinion.

I will make a parallel with a recent event : the Olympics.


Everything is an opinion. Your statement is an opinion. Do you have any other examples besides the Olympics? Which by the way, I heard the commentators talk on numerous occasions about how long it has been since this or that country has won the gold in a particular event. So, Gold is what matters.

Any other competition I can think of, First place is what matters. Tennis, Golf, Soccer, Football, Bowling, Pool, Chess, etc. If someone keeps getting second place, they are not remembered. It is the player or teams that win First, or win First numerous times, that are remembered. I am a tennis fan, so I can speak of that specifically. Michael Chang or Anna Kournikova are 2 good examples. People might know their names, but not for their tennis. Even Pete Sampras has the dark cloud of not winning the French Open.

As a great man once said, "If you're not first, you're last".


Yes, I am also stating an opinion. And an alternate reward system based on this opinion. Is there a problem with that?

The person in the lead of the PGA tour is the money leader, not the one with the most individual wins. Tennis is a cumulation of points to determine the winner. So in both these cases a sum of second and more places can be better than a few first places.

#38 MaximusGR

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Posted 18 March 2010 - 00:19

Gold count assumes that silver and bronze medal are worthless, which is quite false imo. This is also used in many countries, putting a different country on top (Canada this year).


What do the bounty hunters that are just behind the leading hunter to the 10th kill get?

What do SE hunters that arrive second at the location get?

Arena finalists?

Titan hunting had been that way for MONTHS until only a handful of guilds wanted to hunt them..Many of us requested consolation prizes to encourage participation, it has been working well since Titans will not stay alive for days now..We cant just hand out more and more until everyone can get something without some serious effort.

I firmly believe that many 2nd and 3rd place can be better than a single first place and I therefore think that weighted rewards should be put in place.


If you ever hunt a titan rather than keep bringing ideas you might see the difference between a 1st place and a 2nd or a 3rd.

#39 Kevin

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Posted 18 March 2010 - 00:28

Yes, I am also stating an opinion. And an alternate reward system based on this opinion. Is there a problem with that?

The person in the lead of the PGA tour is the money leader, not the one with the most individual wins. Tennis is a cumulation of points to determine the winner. So in both these cases a sum of second and more places can be better than a few first places.


When was the last time that a person finished the year in first place but did not actually win a tournament (gold or tennis)? If this event ever took place, did this person also never finish first in any tournament? I can say with 99.99% certainty that this has never happened. Are those systems designed so it can happen? Sure. The current titan system is also designed so if someone finishes 2nd enough times, they get enough RP to buy an item, sell it, and then have enough FSPs to buy an epic.

There are some things in this world that not everyone is going to achieve. Not everyone has won a world series or the super bowl. Not everyone can be the president or go to the moon. The current titan system is actually more fair than any of these real life examples. We are just the Yankees of fallensword titans (I actually hate the Yankees but other comparisons could be made). We can be beat, we have been beat. We have learned from our mistakes and grown stronger, while others have given up. The solution is not making titans easier to win.

Ask Jonnymo. He was out fighting me for titan kills recently. He was doing well too. But he can't do it alone.

#40 MaximusGR

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Posted 18 March 2010 - 00:32

Not everyone can be the president


Are you ABSOLUTELY positive on that? If Bush did it then anyone can :lol:


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