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#281 abhorrence

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 18:13

Forn,

Why can't you answer the simple question that has been asked many many many times here. If we have complete the quest already will we be able to redo it. I would think that after rolling out a completely untested quest, making your customers test it, slapping them in the face by binding un binding then binding on a time line, then throwing it in our face that we can loose the work we did or roll back the entire community... maybe.. just maybe you might address this issues.

It's usually your most loyal and active players that do these things first and forge the way for others and as a nice little treat for them you turn the incompetence of the situation into a punishment for them.

Will we be allowed to redo the quest if we have done it before?
It's not that hard to answer.

#282 fs_fradiavolo

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 18:14

If you seriously think I am going to kill thousands of Titans to get an item a player 5 levels higher gets as a reward for free you are mad. "But it is stronger"

Finally a quest worth doing in stead of the usual low XP throwaway item type ..


and they do it again .. untested, under influence of a few shouters .. here they go again


This game is rapidly turning into something you would not recommend

#283 fs_semm

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 18:14

_I has hard kill thos champs/ lvl 100 ok its nothing.. Im +lvl200 (and deleweled)
Item i taged for guild, other playes spend fsp for forging and (lot spend)..
vith that i mena reward was god/ but make
That lvl 100 qest can do palyers in ~50lvl range? so not be so much epic/ and get it be harder.. bicos al items colets +/- higt lvl players.. for low lvl/ i min in qest range be hard get reward
Sory about laungage..

#284 Elnestor

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 18:14

you have to understand that the quest was never intended to be as easy as it was. Its like giving away an EPIC item for a normal quest reward. Hence the changes and also the item changes.

The game mechanics are complex, flooding the game with epic items was not intended. I mean if we did a roll-back you would loose it all - would you rather have the epic items or loose it altogether? :D


A roll-back please :P

#285 Thorsark

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 18:14

WHERE IS THE DAMNED EARTH TITAN ANYWAY


Probably sitting on a temple. They don't show on the maps when on a temple.

Personally, I'd be happier WITHOUT a rollback - I like my flamey level 700 sword. My guildmates who bought stuff were pissed, but the temporary un-bind fixed that.

The gear is unbound, and prices are higher. Merchants should rejoice.

Now that I have calmed down - giving folks a week to decide what to do, then re-binding to (effectively) take the Epics out of the game actually makes sense.

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#286 fs_bluebaron

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 18:14

I hate to say it . . . but roll this disaster back. Already there are piles of unintended consequences you guys keep stepping in. Even if you continue to tweak things, there's still going to be a ripple effect that lasts a long time. Roll it back. It'll hurt, but only briefly, people will get over it. Then this fantastic event (I really enjoyed it) can occur in the manner you intended.

#287 Dygica

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 18:14

:shock: I don't know what to think. :shock: This was a huge minus to the HCS and game itself. :? i didn't lost fsps except i lost my right to do better quest which is also really big penalty. :( But problem is that i think that this game can start falling apart from this moment cause i talk with lot of high level players considering leaving the game. :( I was one of donating members of FS but now i really think i will never donate for this again. I don't wonna play smart but i really wonna see how HCS will fix this mess cause this was....i actually don't have word for this. Let's just say "this is HCS mess of EPIC PROPORTIONS" :evil:

#288 fs_deljzc

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 18:15

You guys screwed up so bad....

I can't believe I can't do the "epic" epic quest now because I did the easy one like you wanted. What kind of logic is that.

Come on....

#289 KitiaraLi

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 18:15

make a new quest where the reward is a recipe to upgrade our current epics to the new super stated ones.



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That is an excelent idea. But if people have sold items and such they will have another quest they cannot do.


Well, U cannot please everyone, and if they went into the quests to sell the items, well.. they have done so and had their earnings from it.

They can most likely buy the epics back from AH within the next week anyways, making a good profit on it as well.

This has to be the biggest mess I have ever seen in this game btw... U should have let it be the way it was, and just improved the next EQ... this is.. well.. patch upon patch upon patch upon patch upon patch .. making the quests truly epic: Epic Phale !

No one can deny that we changed this game and influenced it in such a way that NO ONE could compete with us.. so much so that they changed the rules. ~Abhorrence, chosen founder of Cerulean Sins


#290 Deathgun12

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 18:15

you have to understand that the quest was never intended to be as easy as it was. Its like giving away an EPIC item for a normal quest reward. Hence the changes and also the item changes.

The game mechanics are complex, flooding the game with epic items was not intended. I mean if we did a roll-back you would loose it all - would you rather have the epic items or loose it altogether? :D


Forn you have to understand, that you can bind all the old epic items or even get rid of them/rollback. Or just let us do the new quest and lock/terminate the old items.

BTW WTF IS UP WITH THE POSTING LOOK DOWN!

or make it so that it takes so much to get a recipe and once the recipe is used successfully once, it cannot be regained.

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At least one new post has been made to this topic. You may wish to review your post in light of this. WTF!?!?!?!?!?!?

#291 fs_cheetos185

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 18:16

If they sold them its their own fault, I think this is probably the best solution to the current problem, or just add a Final step to each of the current quests the requires the 2700 or so Kills to unbind and upgrade the weapons.


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#292 Nagoyaka

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 18:16

you have to understand that the quest was never intended to be as easy as it was. Its like giving away an EPIC item for a normal quest reward. Hence the changes and also the item changes.

The game mechanics are complex, flooding the game with epic items was not intended. I mean if we did a roll-back you would loose it all - would you rather have the epic items or loose it altogether? :D


This is your answer? Honestly?

You're the ones that first ADDED stamina gain and XP gain to the items to make them more powerful. BEFORE changing the quantity of Titans to kill.

Then you increased the damage stat on each one. Again, before you made the quests more difficult.

Now you want to make the quests more difficult (completely in the wrong order) and this is your solution?

What the heck are you guys smoking?

Why not roll it back completely, make the Epics not overly powerful (maybe like they are now or worse stats) and have 500 kills or something?


I would rather lose these damn crappy bound items and have my FSP back and from then ignore all new updates until they are tested and decided, as FS is its own beta. So yeah, scrap the damn epics, roll back so i can have my FSP back. at least its xxx times better than this.

#293 boeffie

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 18:16

make a new quest where the reward is a recipe to upgrade our current epics to the new super stated ones.



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That is an excelent idea. But if people have sold items and such they will have another quest they cannot do.



You have unbound the items, so those who sold them can buy them back. It still seems the fairest solution

#294 fs_chibibucky

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 18:16

Due to these changes, the original Epic quest reward has been reborn with stronger stats to reflect the new difficulty level of the quests.


will the new one be bound as well?

#295 Trailman

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 18:16

So with a rollback I lose the level I gained yesterday again and have to complete the same quest again but I am tempted to agree with it.

#296 Mister Doom

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 18:17

Simplest idea. Do nothing. Leave the quests as they are, learn, get it right next time. Whatever you do now is going to annoy the hell out of someone, you really don't want to know what I've been hearing people say just now..

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#297 fs_dougmines

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 18:17

Think about it, those who paid outrageous prices for the epic items are now to be cheated as they will have no real resale value no matter what you do. The merchants who got ahead make out like bandits, but at the cost of the poor saps who are now being told they are the proud owners of inferior merchandise. Should you decide to boost all the current epics stats to the equivilant of the new ones, you will effectively punish all those still to complete the quests at the cost of additional buffs, potions, stam etc. There is no way out except a system wide rollback as I first put forth.

#298 fs_moxcyn

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 18:18

Give the people who have already done the quest the epics... Let them keep them... And have the same stats as the new ones... I don't see the big deal in that! People who do future quests will have to do them the hard way.... Including me when i reach level 500 and 700. And whatever other epic quests that come out in the future.

So a few hundred players got lots of powerful epics? Ok... Bound them after a week but DO NOT nerf the ones that are already here (which is essentially what you're doing by making a more powerful version).

#299 fs_sollimaw

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 18:18

Simplest idea. Do nothing. Leave the quests as they are, learn, get it right next time. Whatever you do now is going to annoy the hell out of someone, you really don't want to know what I've been hearing people say just now..



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#300 Drimm

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 18:18

HCS,

You messed up. Big. Please stop with your knee-jerk reactions. The flood gate is closed for the new Epic items and you now have a few options that have been said in here.

1.) Rollback. It sucks, no one likes them. But it is the only way to restore everyone to an equal standing.

2.) Merge the old Epic items with the new ones to where there are not two versions and leave the quest in its new stage to keep the flood gate closed. The people who got through in the first 24hrs will be lucky. But, it was your mistake afterall.

3.) A quest to update the old Epic item into the new. Too many people have sold their items. This will only create more chaos.

My vote is option 2. This is YOUR mistake. Do not punish us for it by making us replay our last 24hrs or screwing over people who have already bought/sold/upgrade the items.


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