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#561 fs_johe71

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 13:07

Link please. This doesn't sound like Forn!


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Posted 20 March 2010 - 13:09

also dont forget it was down to the players feedback that we chose this direction.


ok. But you realise that most likley the majority of the players that were online [and gave feedback] when this came down had already done the quest - and of course (doh!) they wanted it to go down the way it now became

Link please. This doesn't sound like Forn!


Unfortunately Luis, it WAS Forns comment - replied to post i made :(

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 13:10

They were intended to be even harder than they are now! It was a glitch in the way the titan defeat and the ultimate kill of the titan were registered in the quest that caused the problem.

We did think of creating bound items and rolling back and more..but ultimately the way we chose to go was the one we felt was the best and also dont forget it was down to the players feedback that we chose this direction.


But when the arena recipes weren't balanced, you didn't change them such as to not affect these players too much.

Now, with the tampering of the elite items you've set a new precedent for decisions that impact the economy of the game, were talking about people possibly profiteering thousands of FSP's and others losing thousands.

Let's rewind, you release new quests that drop uber items, within 24 hours hundreds of players complete it. You then make an announcement about tentative changes that will bring the market value of these uber items to floor levels. Wild trading of items happen with some players possibly stockpiling in prevision of the upcoming fail. You finally change the quests such that it is VERY hard, such that very few items will now enter the market, so the values of the items already out RISES 8 FOLDS over the original price.

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 13:17

i suppose after two days a rollback is not possible anymore, but maybe the situation can be improved a little more:

1) downgrade the item stat (at least at the level before the Reborn version);

2) reduce the number of kills needed for the quest (its will be less epic but more fair)

3) no RP for the quest Titans (and maybe no Medal) and make they spawn very often (yes there will be much more epic items but much less disappointed customers)

4) allocate a fair amount of stam reserve for each not completed quest to players that are in the right level range to make the quest.

Probably its not the perfect soultion, but i think it would go in the right direction.

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 13:20

ok. But you realise that most likley the majority of the players that were online [and gave feedback] when this came down had already done the quest - and of course (doh!) they wanted it to go down the way it now became

Link please. This doesn't sound like Forn!


Unfortunately Luis, it WAS Forns comment - replied to post i made :(

I don't care. Take it in context

They were intended to be even harder than they are now! It was a glitch in the way the titan defeat and the ultimate kill of the titan were registered in the quest that caused the problem.

We did think of creating bound items and rolling back and more..but ultimately the way we chose to go was the one we felt was the best and also dont forget it was down to the players feedback that we chose this direction.

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 14:24

Why bother argueing people? Forn and Hoof have their minds set...just stop now

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 14:28

Why bother argueing people? Forn and Hoof have their minds set...just stop now


God Neil are you really so weak that all you do is care what happens to you in the game and refuse to stand up for what is right.

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 14:31

Why bother argueing people? Forn and Hoof have their minds set...just stop now


God Neil are you really so weak that all you do is care what happens to you in the game and refuse to stand up for what is right.

Not weak one bit but think of it. Is it fair that the players who jumped on the quest travelling through tremendous lag get pentalized for being there first? No. I agree with one arguement...2700 kills for a level 100 Titan only going up from 300, 500, and 700 is far too great. It really shouldn't be more then 300-500 kills

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 14:40

Why bother argueing people? Forn and Hoof have their minds set...just stop now


God Neil are you really so weak that all you do is care what happens to you in the game and refuse to stand up for what is right.

Not weak one bit but think of it. Is it fair that the players who jumped on the quest travelling through tremendous lag get pentalized for being there first? No. I agree with one arguement...2700 kills for a level 100 Titan only going up from 300, 500, and 700 is far too great. It really shouldn't be more then 300-500 kills


SO is it fair that because you got a one kill epic drop that was then made even better and there is now only one way to get that same item which is to use at least 2700 times the stamina 24 hours earlier. No your not weak just an opportunist who doesnt care about over all fair play. Good on you

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 14:43



God Neil are you really so weak that all you do is care what happens to you in the game and refuse to stand up for what is right.

Not weak one bit but think of it. Is it fair that the players who jumped on the quest travelling through tremendous lag get pentalized for being there first? No. I agree with one arguement...2700 kills for a level 100 Titan only going up from 300, 500, and 700 is far too great. It really shouldn't be more then 300-500 kills


SO is it fair that because you got a one kill epic drop that was then made even better and there is now only one way to get that same item which is to use at least 2700 times the stamina 24 hours earlier. No your not weak just an opportunist who doesnt care about over all fair play. Good on you

Say what you wish, I'm standing up for what I think is RIGHT!!!! I am on your side for ONE thing, lower the kills.

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 14:46

Many pages ago I said this, and I will say it again. I have the shiny trident - it is very nice, it will make my hunting life very easy and I can put my Brides set in mothballs now. However I would gladly lose my shiny trident in order to see this mess fixed.

Rollback. It is the only way. Yes some folk will lose hunts, yes some folk will lose invented items, but far more will benefit from an unmistakably level playing field. Apologies to all those who beta (or alpha!) tested the original quests, but they were so flawed as to be unmanageable. Rollback and do it right. If these people (our alpha/beta testers) can be given extra extra reserve stam to make up for their efforts, so be it. Rollback solves the problem of a flooded market, allows the new epics to be exactly that and allows the quests to be as intended. I think the game atmosphere will benefit from a rollback. Everyone who has paid attention will know how much things went wrong, and needed to be fixed. The new round of complaints will largely be led by those who made huge profit in the AH/want to hold onto their cheaply gained epics.

HCS - you screwed up. Admit it and wipe the slate clean and try again. And address the issues of epic item stats, elemental titans and RP farming etc. When the database went down and the game was out we effectively had a large rollback - do it again now because as it stands it seems that you may be alienating too many players, or have you done that calculation already - the number of happy epic wielding players versus the number of disenfranchised disillusioned players?

Rollback.

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 14:49

Many pages ago I said this, and I will say it again. I have the shiny trident - it is very nice, it will make my hunting life very easy and I can put my Brides set in mothballs now. However I would gladly lose my shiny trident in order to see this mess fixed.

Rollback. It is the only way. Yes some folk will lose hunts, yes some folk will lose invented items, but far more will benefit from an unmistakably level playing field. Apologies to all those who beta (or alpha!) tested the original quests, but they were so flawed as to be unmanageable. Rollback and do it right. If these people (our alpha/beta testers) can be given extra extra reserve stam to make up for their efforts, so be it. Rollback solves the problem of a flooded market, allows the new epics to be exactly that and allows the quests to be as intended. I think the game atmosphere will benefit from a rollback. Everyone who has paid attention will know how much things went wrong, and needed to be fixed. The new round of complaints will largely be led by those who made huge profit in the AH/want to hold onto their cheaply gained epics.

HCS - you screwed up. Admit it and wipe the slate clean and try again. And address the issues of epic item stats, elemental titans and RP farming etc. When the database went down and the game was out we effectively had a large rollback - do it again now because as it stands it seems that you may be alienating too many players, or have you done that calculation already - the number of happy epic wielding players versus the number of disenfranchised disillusioned players?

Rollback.

Is this your people's answer to everything? Everytime theres a mistake its rollback. No. Do you know how many people hunted? They realeased the new areas so high level 800 players took possibly hours to hunt, Conflicts were won, Arenas were won, money donated to game. You gotta take all this into affect. Its far too late for a rollback

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 14:55

Many pages ago I said this, and I will say it again. I have the shiny trident - it is very nice, it will make my hunting life very easy and I can put my Brides set in mothballs now. However I would gladly lose my shiny trident in order to see this mess fixed.

Rollback. It is the only way. Yes some folk will lose hunts, yes some folk will lose invented items, but far more will benefit from an unmistakably level playing field. Apologies to all those who beta (or alpha!) tested the original quests, but they were so flawed as to be unmanageable. Rollback and do it right. If these people (our alpha/beta testers) can be given extra extra reserve stam to make up for their efforts, so be it. Rollback solves the problem of a flooded market, allows the new epics to be exactly that and allows the quests to be as intended. I think the game atmosphere will benefit from a rollback. Everyone who has paid attention will know how much things went wrong, and needed to be fixed. The new round of complaints will largely be led by those who made huge profit in the AH/want to hold onto their cheaply gained epics.

HCS - you screwed up. Admit it and wipe the slate clean and try again. And address the issues of epic item stats, elemental titans and RP farming etc. When the database went down and the game was out we effectively had a large rollback - do it again now because as it stands it seems that you may be alienating too many players, or have you done that calculation already - the number of happy epic wielding players versus the number of disenfranchised disillusioned players?

Rollback.

Is this your people's answer to everything? Everytime theres a mistake its rollback. No. Do you know how many people hunted? They realeased the new areas so high level 800 players took possibly hours to hunt, Conflicts were won, Arenas were won, money donated to game. You gotta take all this into affect. Its far too late for a rollback


I know that all of your objections seem to add up to "let me keep my shiny javelin" Neil. I am aware of the number of actions that may well have occurred in the time required. Game balance has been affected, and at base - the quest roll out was bad and has adversely affected too many aspects of the game - hunting/arena, the AH, epic market etc. I am not saying that this is ideal, or even nice, but the status quo isn't that pleasant either. I would rather take a rollback than the status quo, that is my position.

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 14:56

Many pages ago I said this, and I will say it again. I have the shiny trident - it is very nice, it will make my hunting life very easy and I can put my Brides set in mothballs now. However I would gladly lose my shiny trident in order to see this mess fixed.

Rollback. It is the only way. Yes some folk will lose hunts, yes some folk will lose invented items, but far more will benefit from an unmistakably level playing field. Apologies to all those who beta (or alpha!) tested the original quests, but they were so flawed as to be unmanageable. Rollback and do it right. If these people (our alpha/beta testers) can be given extra extra reserve stam to make up for their efforts, so be it. Rollback solves the problem of a flooded market, allows the new epics to be exactly that and allows the quests to be as intended. I think the game atmosphere will benefit from a rollback. Everyone who has paid attention will know how much things went wrong, and needed to be fixed. The new round of complaints will largely be led by those who made huge profit in the AH/want to hold onto their cheaply gained epics.

HCS - you screwed up. Admit it and wipe the slate clean and try again. And address the issues of epic item stats, elemental titans and RP farming etc. When the database went down and the game was out we effectively had a large rollback - do it again now because as it stands it seems that you may be alienating too many players, or have you done that calculation already - the number of happy epic wielding players versus the number of disenfranchised disillusioned players?

Rollback.

Is this your people's answer to everything? Everytime theres a mistake its rollback. No. Do you know how many people hunted? They realeased the new areas so high level 800 players took possibly hours to hunt, Conflicts were won, Arenas were won, money donated to game. You gotta take all this into affect. Its far too late for a rollback


I know that all of your objections seem to add up to "let me keep my shiny javelin" Neil. I am aware of the number of actions that may well have occurred in the time required. Game balance has been affected, and at base - the quest roll out was bad and has adversely affected too many aspects of the game - hunting/arena, the AH, epic market etc. I am not saying that this is ideal, or even nice, but the status quo isn't that pleasant either. I would rather take a rollback than the status quo, that is my position.


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Posted 20 March 2010 - 14:57

A rollback would be disastrous.

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 14:58

have the perfect solution if someone care to know.
But the punchline is:

1. Do not roll back. Instead, nerf make the elemental epic gear. Make them weak. Possibly without the +2 stamina. Perhaps only +1 stamina. Do not reset the craft and forges.
2. Continue the quest for each epic by creating a new one. In this quest, you need to kill 500 titan and the elemental gear. When you finished, you'll receive the powerful "Reborn Elemental" gear.
3. Problem solved.

Perfect solution without flaw whatsoever. I am so smart.

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 14:59

Many pages ago I said this, and I will say it again. I have the shiny trident - it is very nice, it will make my hunting life very easy and I can put my Brides set in mothballs now. However I would gladly lose my shiny trident in order to see this mess fixed.

Rollback. It is the only way. Yes some folk will lose hunts, yes some folk will lose invented items, but far more will benefit from an unmistakably level playing field. Apologies to all those who beta (or alpha!) tested the original quests, but they were so flawed as to be unmanageable. Rollback and do it right. If these people (our alpha/beta testers) can be given extra extra reserve stam to make up for their efforts, so be it. Rollback solves the problem of a flooded market, allows the new epics to be exactly that and allows the quests to be as intended. I think the game atmosphere will benefit from a rollback. Everyone who has paid attention will know how much things went wrong, and needed to be fixed. The new round of complaints will largely be led by those who made huge profit in the AH/want to hold onto their cheaply gained epics.

HCS - you screwed up. Admit it and wipe the slate clean and try again. And address the issues of epic item stats, elemental titans and RP farming etc. When the database went down and the game was out we effectively had a large rollback - do it again now because as it stands it seems that you may be alienating too many players, or have you done that calculation already - the number of happy epic wielding players versus the number of disenfranchised disillusioned players?

Rollback.

Is this your people's answer to everything? Everytime theres a mistake its rollback. No. Do you know how many people hunted? They realeased the new areas so high level 800 players took possibly hours to hunt, Conflicts were won, Arenas were won, money donated to game. You gotta take all this into affect. Its far too late for a rollback


I know that all of your objections seem to add up to "let me keep my shiny javelin" Neil. I am aware of the number of actions that may well have occurred in the time required. Game balance has been affected, and at base - the quest roll out was bad and has adversely affected too many aspects of the game - hunting/arena, the AH, epic market etc. I am not saying that this is ideal, or even nice, but the status quo isn't that pleasant either. I would rather take a rollback than the status quo, that is my position.

And mine is set dead against them, too many players will be affected, and honestly if it wasn't for the amount of players who hunted, won arenas, conflicts, even Titans, etc. would be affected I would gladly hand in my Javelin and kill 2700 Titans, even though thats not really the fair way. Forn says the quests were meant to be harder. He's lieing. It took over 24 hourse for them to notice this. The quests were meant to be 1 kill but because of complaints and whiners the quests were made that much harder.

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 15:03

And mine is set dead against them, too many players will be affected, and honestly if it wasn't for the amount of players who hunted, won arenas, conflicts, even Titans, etc. would be affected I would gladly hand in my Javelin and kill 2700 Titans, even though thats not really the fair way. Forn says the quests were meant to be harder. He's lieing. It took over 24 hourse for them to notice this. The quests were meant to be 1 kill but because of complaints and whiners the quests were made that much harder.

Of course you would. I believe you. But since you already have your epic with one kill, no point in doing that anymore, right? You are so honest.

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 15:05

I don't care if its a roll back, or change the quest.
Something has to be done to make things fair.

I just don't think anything will happen now. Just very disappointed, at what a mess this all is. :(

At least make the bloody titans re-spawn constantly. Its hard enough as it is.

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 15:06

the solution is so easy .. let everyone get their epic for 1 kill

nothing against hcs , but you screwed up in the first place ..next time , make sure you test things thoroughly before releasing new content ...

last time a glitch occurred due to an error in coding , i lost 3 good friends of mine cause they got termed ..this is nothing different ..some players exploited a glitch but now you are rewarding them. i have made 500+ fsps in profits but i dont really give a damn.

set things right.


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