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#101 DragonLord

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 20:14

[quote name="MEKRUSHU"]How is this fair now Hoof? I have to kill 2700 titans to get my item and everyone else had to kill ONE! AND they get the better item???!!![/quote][/quote]

That was mentioned (by myself) in the other threads and no-one else picked up on it ... It SUCKS, but hey, what can ya do about it - NAFF ALL *sighs*

(but this is the fairest solution to EVERYONE, it seems - sorry, i don't think so..)

No...the SOLUTION would have been to just ADD TO THE QUEST, using the original epic, hand it over after killing a stupid amount of titans to get the NEW epic! FAIR TO EVERYONE! but noooooooooo that would have been far too easy! :evil:[/quote]

I was quoting HOOF there, saying it was the fairest solution - I happen to think it's anything BUT the fairest solution :)

#102 fs_moxcyn

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 20:14

I am pleased with the change (most noteworthy: i am pleased that no rollback was being done - i could not fathom the work it would take to get amazon and super rewards to refund me another batch of FSPs!)...

And I basically GAVE AWAY my javelin because i figured i'd never use it.... Now - it'll probably be worth at least a few hundred FSPs soon... And i'll never be able to earn it again... So, yes, i do have a hammer; and i will be using it to level... But i surely wish i had held on to the Javelin!

I do think the quest should be modified based on who the target is...

For example... The level 100 Titan should only take a few hundred kills (he'll be hunted by TONS of players because he's the most accessible). (100-500)

The level 300 Should also only take a few hundred kills (700-900)...

The level 500 - maybe a 1000.

The level 700 - maybe 2000.

I figure that change is ok since as you go up in levels there will be less people hunting it.

I believe that is why those who missed out are complaing.... Or those who sold their item for cheap thinking it wasn't that great (like me and my javelin).

I look forward to gaining another 96 levels and going for the level 500 item...

#103 BalianRW

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 20:16

Ok, I think I'm more confused than when I started reading this topic. The way I understand it, now in order to complete these quests you have to kill the titan multiple times (2700, 3000, 3600 have all been reported). I assume that is cumulative not against a single titan, so you get a few hit in each time he pops out, and eventually you will be able to finish the quest. I hope that these titans start coming out more often when I am on in the evenings (CST in the US) because I rarely see a titan out. So that is how you finish the quest now. As a result the stats on these new titan Epics have been upgraded.

However, everyone that was able to finish the quest with a single titan kill (and even some that didn't have to kill the titan, due to an early bug) are being handed one of the upgraded items, but it is bounded to them, where as those that complete the quest now will have the item unbounded.

Problem is that thousands of FSPs have already changed hands in the sell/re-sell of these items. Some people have even spent 100s of FSPs buying items for their guild mates, and as a result will have several of the same type bound to them, i.e. wasted FSPs.

Since I hunted last night, I hate to say this, but I think the only real solution to this problem is to roll the game back to the point where the new quests came out. Yes I understand that is two days, but seriously anything less and you are using a band-aid to try and repair a severed hand. Unfortnatlly this roll back would have to be accompanied by either a huge amount of reserve stamina approaching 4k (+85 stamina gain x 48 hours), or a temporary increase of max stamina to cover those that would have been at max stamina shortly after the point of the roll back.

Also, I recommend, in order to prevent players who have already completed the quests from taking titan kills away from the 10s of thousands of players that will be trying to complete them, that you either prohibit those that have completed the quest from being able to attack the elemental titan, or better yet just remove the normal titan rewards from these quest titans.

#104 fs_iosys

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 20:17

nice reborn hammer :D

#105 ludwigo

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 20:18

every player had the same oportunity to do quests yesterday people who did quest are happy now people who didnt are unhappy but they cant say they didnt chance i did one quest cos earth titan was not available so need to do one quest harder second not . thats the life i Think HSC did best solution what they can do thx . with a rollback plenty of players will loose arena wins plenty of players will lose gear won in auction trader will lost profits etc

#106 SkyWizard

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 20:19

Epic quests are suppose to be EPIC, so far so good.

My 50 cents on this are:

1 - Making the items required for kill Champions and Titans bound is VERY GOOD idea, drop rate should be lower and a certain number of champios killed could be given also.

2 - Reference the Titans, 1 kill is no epic at ALL but 2000+? 3000+? Is way to much. Why not number of kills = to level of Titan. 100, 300, 500 and 700 kills.

Not all players have thousands of stamina to kill thousands of Titans and that requires months to complete the quests, considering number of players that will be hunting in the area.

#107 mikkyld

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 20:21

So if we had 5 same epics we will get only 1 new epic for replacement?


No - each of the old items have been upgraded to the new quest reward items. :)



How is this fair now Hoof? I have to kill 2700 titans to get my item and everyone else had to kill ONE! AND they get the better item???!!!


I managed to get them done yesterday and so have no complaints but I will say it doesn't seem right for the number of titan kills to go from 1 to 2700; that is bizarre.

Obviously it wouldn't be right to take those away which were won yesterday but making it that much tougher today is just wrong.

The issue of these things being easy is NOT so much the number of titan kills but rather the fact that all the lower tier items (not the weapons themselves) were not bound, meaning people could buy aether runes and skip all the difficulties getting up to that point.

Perhaps you cannot go back but if you can, make all the lower items bound and thus make people do the whole quest up to the titan kill and reduce the number of titans to kill accordingly.

Then max out the titan kills at no more than 100 (frankly I'd go no higher than 10 but...) and in that way everyone will be able to reasonably do the quests.

I don't feel too much guilt at getting mine with 1 titan kill since I fought lag and did all the parts of the various quests but if I had one to do and 2700 to kill, I doubt I'd want to try either.

#108 BalianRW

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 20:21

So if we had 5 same epics we will get only 1 new epic for replacement?


No - each of the old items have been upgraded to the new quest reward items. :)


How is this even remotly fair. You are essentially handing the new upgraded epic to everyone that has alrady completed the quest with a single titan kill (or in some cases none), but the rest of us (including those of us that were stuck in Xinderoth at the time), will have to make 2700 kills on the titan.

#109 ironcire

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 20:21

HCS, you do realize that in one fell swoop, you've made everyone who hoarded the new epics earlier in the game.. you've made them instant FS millionaires for completing quests the wrong way.

#110 fs_nicodemus3

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 20:21

So you're telling me HCS that I went from having to kill one titan like everyone else yesterday to 3-4,000 now just because I was busy last night. That's total crap and you know it HCS.

Now less than 24 hours later, when some of us are finally available to suit up and do the quests, we find that they dramatically change the requirements without warning. I guess the real winners out of all this mess were the ones sitting on their good-for-nothing butts when the quests were released and got all of the epics with just a single titan kill.

And of course when you tell us that "We changed it according to all the forum feedback that said they needed to be harder", we know in reality it was the same people who already finished the quests with no effort posting that on the forums. Take all of their epic rewards away and then let them have their "epic" quest. :-/

I'm through donating to this game for obvious reasons...

#111 Zennaro

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 20:21

For myself I can only say thank you for this last change. I think, however, it would have been better to take the suggestion of making another quest with many titan kills to upgrade the old epic items. Though I can see it would mean a lot more work on your part.

Virtually yours,
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#112 neil7887

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 20:22

Everyone had the opportunity of doing the Quests...they've been out more then 24 hours, those who wanted to wait...thats your own fault not ours. So don't whine cause you gotta hunt 2700 or more titans. Think of this um well statment/quote: "The early bird gets the worm" the people who did this early get it easier, the people who wanted to wait...its your own fault

#113 Bleltch

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 20:23

2700 kills it requires now??? I'm glad i got mine before they fixed it. Hate to think how long it would take me to get 2700 kills when it took me nearly 20 minutes chasing that thing around to get just 1.

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 20:25

Facepalm x100

for those of us who actually did the quest the correct way and earned the original epics (for me the air javelin) you screwed us over... you changed the stats, on items many of us have already sold
Overall the stats were fine, 300 damage is still better than anything for at least another 50 levels after that... but you still changed it.


not only is that wrong, but now you make the required kills increase? how is that fair for those that havenet done them yet... Why don't you guys test stuff first? and why not make it fair for everyone?

#115 fs_gravely

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 20:26

Everyone had the opportunity of doing the Quests...they've been out more then 24 hours, those who wanted to wait...thats your own fault not ours. So don't whine cause you gotta hunt 2700 or more titans. Think of this um well statment/quote: "The early bird gets the worm" the people who did this early get it easier, the people who wanted to wait...its your own fault


Because everyone logs on every day. And no one takes vacations, has real life issues or donates enough real cash to enjoy stamina tanks that don't require daily maintenance.

The entire method of this update has been awful.

#116 ironcire

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 20:26

Everyone had the opportunity of doing the Quests...they've been out more then 24 hours, those who wanted to wait...thats your own fault not ours. So don't whine cause you gotta hunt 2700 or more titans. Think of this um well statment/quote: "The early bird gets the worm" the people who did this early get it easier, the people who wanted to wait...its your own fault



Do you even realize what you're saying?? Everyone who did the quests and got the rewards for killing one titan essentally got rewarded for exploiting a glitch in the quest that was never meant to happen. If you think you deserve to have an EPIC weapon for putting in 20 mins worth of work for it, then you're seriously delusional. All they have done is make instant FSP profits for people who exploited the quests and hoarded the items.

#117 pinkdude

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 20:27

2700 is too much. Those people who didn't do it last night shouldn't be punished that drastically. I agree with (forget there name but made this suggestion a page or two ago) Make them according to the level. 100, 300, 500, 700. That way they aren't too drastically punished. Maybe even make it like 50, 100, 200, 300. Also take RP away so there aren't any RP hoarders.

#118 MaximusGR

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 20:27

Hoof, if the required number of Titan kills is to stay, can you at least make each of them spawn in the small map the champions of that element are? It is a huge pain to go for 3K kills in a huge map with so many locations it can be hidden

#119 Mekrushu

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 20:28

Everyone had the opportunity of doing the Quests...they've been out more then 24 hours, those who wanted to wait...thats your own fault not ours. So don't whine cause you gotta hunt 2700 or more titans. Think of this um well statment/quote: "The early bird gets the worm" the people who did this early get it easier, the people who wanted to wait...its your own fault


Id love to see you make the same statement when you are trapped on the 19th floor of Xinderoth (As I was)! Going from 1 kill to 2700+ kills is totally ridiculous, regardless of WHY someone didnt do the quest yesterday!

ALL YOU HAD TO DO HCS, WAS ADD TO THE QUEST!


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Posted 19 March 2010 - 20:28

Everyone had the opportunity of doing the Quests...they've been out more then 24 hours, those who wanted to wait...thats your own fault not ours. So don't whine cause you gotta hunt 2700 or more titans. Think of this um well statment/quote: "The early bird gets the worm" the people who did this early get it easier, the people who wanted to wait...its your own fault



Look at my level Neil .... I did 3 of 4 ... hoping to complete one next Monday ....

No fault
No choice

But now a player I have been competing with gets a free 1500 fsp weapon having 1790 damage ...

Why still compete ?


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