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#21 EJames2100

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Posted 18 April 2010 - 15:16

Agreed, I do like a lot of the features in there but I think some of them should be removed.
Such as what you need to beat this creature and etc..., aslo agree on the relic, show stats is good, showing buffs is bad

#22 Uralus

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Posted 18 April 2010 - 18:32

The reason i don't have helper, is because the thing I injoy most on FS is doing all the calculations myself.

#23 fs_gravely

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Posted 18 April 2010 - 22:34

The reason i don't have helper, is because the thing I injoy most on FS is doing all the calculations myself.


+1

And I hate FireFox, and would rather run as clean and cut down a browser as humanly possible...

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Posted 19 April 2010 - 00:20

I wasn't complaining about an advantage, I was simply saying it is the sole example of a cheating program. There is automation because it makes things faster than what you would be able to do without it.



however, being that is approved for use by the developers, it is by definition not cheating.

if you remember a bit back, there was a hunting mechanism on the helper that HCS made them remove, saying it was an automaton, so to me, it would seem HCS monitors the helpers features, and have decided that it falls into legal boundaries of use.

you are defining anything that helps with gameplay as cheating, and by the rules of the game, that is simply false.


I believe FSH defines the definition of a cheating program for a game, but it lays on the boundary of rules.



I understand it is completely legal, but for online games as a whole, any program that can enhance gameplay is defined as cheating. Regardless if it is allowed or not.

#25 evilbry

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Posted 19 April 2010 - 00:39

What is interesting for me is Helper is an approved addon people to use, however what is stopping people from slightly modifying the existing helper script with some code of their own. A couple of small code changes and you can have something quite dangerous which will be very hard for HCS to pick up on.

#26 RJEM

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Posted 19 April 2010 - 00:51

What is interesting for me is Helper is an approved addon people to use, however what is stopping people from slightly modifying the existing helper script with some code of their own. A couple of small code changes and you can have something quite dangerous which will be very hard for HCS to pick up on.


This is an interesting and valid point. Of course, there is a sound and efficient solution for HCS:

Adopt the Helper Code and absorb all of the excellent features (Combat logs, displaying stamina on players when buffing etc.) into the main game code. Anything which is too close to the line (for example, I would be behind removing some of the automatic auction house features relevant to this thread) could simply be left out.

Then return to the 'no external scripts' rule which should be in place.

Simple.

#27 silmarilen

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Posted 19 April 2010 - 09:47

What is interesting for me is Helper is an approved addon people to use, however what is stopping people from slightly modifying the existing helper script with some code of their own. A couple of small code changes and you can have something quite dangerous which will be very hard for HCS to pick up on.


This is an interesting and valid point. Of course, there is a sound and efficient solution for HCS:

Adopt the Helper Code and absorb all of the excellent features (Combat logs, displaying stamina on players when buffing etc.) into the main game code. Anything which is too close to the line (for example, I would be behind removing some of the automatic auction house features relevant to this thread) could simply be left out.

Then return to the 'no external scripts' rule which should be in place.

Simple.


like they did with the side bar chat.

#28 fs_mdbcruise

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Posted 19 April 2010 - 09:48

they can actually do this?

I wonder if scripts can change the exp thing :shock: usal 1k exp turns into 10k exp :shock:

#29 fs_hittingray

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Posted 19 April 2010 - 09:58

they can actually do this?

I wonder if scripts can change the exp thing :shock: usal 1k exp turns into 10k exp :shock:


No it can't change 1k to 10k, a script simply pretends to act like a person, it can't interfere with anything else.

Getting back to the point, I fully agree, this is INDEED cheating. It's not fair to people that work hard, they farm, invent, sell and all just to see their pots come back to their mailbox. This needs to stop as it is simply and utterly unfair. Maybe a system detecting patterns in auctions is called for? (Easier said than done tough)

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Posted 19 April 2010 - 10:01

they can actually do this?

I wonder if scripts can change the exp thing :shock: usal 1k exp turns into 10k exp :shock:


No it can't change 1k to 10k, a script simply pretends to act like a person, it can't interfere with anything else.

Getting back to the point, I fully agree, this is INDEED cheating. It's not fair to people that work hard, they farm, invent, sell and all just to see their pots come back to their mailbox. This needs to stop as it is simply and utterly unfair. Maybe a system detecting patterns in auctions is called for? (Easier said than done tough)

-HR.


I think it can be detected

oh btw I fully agree its cheating I hate my items comming back to my mailbox :evil:

#31 fs_hittingray

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Posted 19 April 2010 - 10:13

I'm sure it can, I played another game but I've pretty much stopped and they have an engine that picks up macros, but that game runs on Java, so it could easily be slipped into the game in the Java, but as FS is a game thats just HTML, there would have to be some sort of different process scanning for a pattern as it wouldn't be possible to underlay it in the HTML as far as I'm concerned.

-HR.

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Posted 19 April 2010 - 10:26

I think it can be detected


It depends on how the game is programmed.. if HCS had something to detect this it would've been picked up months ago. I'm just amazed that nobody else has said anything, and that the player is still getting away with it!

#33 MaximusGR

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Posted 19 April 2010 - 10:29

Let me guess..You sent a ticket and cows said 'We will look into this' but nothing happened since?

#34 fs_hittingray

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Posted 19 April 2010 - 10:31

Let me guess..You sent a ticket and cows said 'We will look into this' but nothing happened since?


Hahahaha probably, pretty typical!

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#35 Booger

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Posted 19 April 2010 - 13:13

Let me guess..You sent a ticket and cows said 'We will look into this' but nothing happened since?


Haha.. I can't say, rules are rules.

I see a certain someone has their bookworm and fury pots spaced at exact intervals right now.. if enough people log tickets, there's a chance it might actually get to someone in HCS who realises it's obviously cheating and who might actually do something about it. Or we could all just let cheats prosper at the expense of hard working people.

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Posted 19 April 2010 - 19:18

While the helper isnt considered cheating, I have had a few discussions with Tang in the past whether or not it's helping too much on some areas. Don't know if it was ever implemented, but there was a thought to have the helper calculate the final stats on a PvP target after buffs, some of which are intended to confuse the attacker in the first place. If this was added to it (or if it is) it means there's no need to look at your opponents buffs or know how they affect stats, the helper would do it for you.
The above is actually in work concerning relics today. While I applaud the helper calculating total screen stats, I think effects from buffs like flinch, DC, NMV and const on lead should be taken out of it.

And on topic; send in a ticket.



Yeah, that what I'm worried about as well. The helper has taken out a lot of the though in hunting. If it does it to PvP as well.... just bleh. :?


Little over 100 levels in a year and you think leveling is easy? WOW. I would hate to see what your idea of hard PvP. I can't hang with you bro.

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Posted 19 April 2010 - 19:20

While the helper isnt considered cheating, I have had a few discussions with Tang in the past whether or not it's helping too much on some areas. Don't know if it was ever implemented, but there was a thought to have the helper calculate the final stats on a PvP target after buffs, some of which are intended to confuse the attacker in the first place. If this was added to it (or if it is) it means there's no need to look at your opponents buffs or know how they affect stats, the helper would do it for you.
The above is actually in work concerning relics today. While I applaud the helper calculating total screen stats, I think effects from buffs like flinch, DC, NMV and const on lead should be taken out of it.

And on topic; send in a ticket.



Yeah, that what I'm worried about as well. The helper has taken out a lot of the though in hunting. If it does it to PvP as well.... just bleh. :?


Little over 100 levels in a year and you think leveling is easy? WOW. I would hate to see what your idea of hard PvP. I can't hang with you bro.



LOL - Loooooove peoples' ignorance. You don't know much about me. :D

So I suggest you bugger off. Sick of being pestered about my level when there's a damn good reason for it.

#38 fs_phyrstormz

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Posted 19 April 2010 - 19:27

While the helper isnt considered cheating, I have had a few discussions with Tang in the past whether or not it's helping too much on some areas. Don't know if it was ever implemented, but there was a thought to have the helper calculate the final stats on a PvP target after buffs, some of which are intended to confuse the attacker in the first place. If this was added to it (or if it is) it means there's no need to look at your opponents buffs or know how they affect stats, the helper would do it for you.
The above is actually in work concerning relics today. While I applaud the helper calculating total screen stats, I think effects from buffs like flinch, DC, NMV and const on lead should be taken out of it.

And on topic; send in a ticket.



Yeah, that what I'm worried about as well. The helper has taken out a lot of the though in hunting. If it does it to PvP as well.... just bleh. :?


Little over 100 levels in a year and you think leveling is easy? WOW. I would hate to see what your idea of hard PvP. I can't hang with you bro.


he has lost as many levels as you have gained buddy ;)

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 11:35

Oh well.. no sign of any justice with this one. I tried.

#40 Zukira

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 19:40

are you certain the person isn't just relisting as stuff sells and it ends up just looking that way?

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