Titan Changes Proposal
#661
Posted 22 April 2010 - 04:52
#662
fs_ziojoe
Posted 22 April 2010 - 05:00
The idea we have at the moment would be to change how the Titan works in that when a Titan is released each guild will have a number of kills as before but the Titan will not despawn for a set period of time. (Lets say 6 hours) During this time period every guild will be able to compete for the Titan and each guild would have its own threshold of kills.
So the titan will last for 6 hours regardless of kills? Sorry, never hunted a titan, can I assume that there's a max HP right now and once the total has been killed it disappears?
What I mean by that is say over 100 kills would give the guild a small RP reward, over 1500 kills would give a large RP reward and over 2500 kills would reward the epic item. Now these rewards would be irrespective to other guilds. Meaning both smaller guilds and also guilds with less Titan hunters would now be able to compete and receive the epic items.
Feedback on this is appreciated
So it sounds like it's still going to be near impossible for a titan to give a drop at 2500 kills. I'm not sure what delay people are talking about, but it sounds pretty tough already to kill 2500 titans. I know I have taken 2 attempts and several hours and stam to kill 250 elemental titans, so 10 times that naturally seems hard and time consuming.
I can't say I like the idea of multiple guilds getting epics and their value dropping, but what if there were a second drop for everyone to fight for once the first guild wins?
So the first guild to 2500 kills gets the drop, then the remaining guilds get to fight for a secondary drop (could be weaker or same).
Hey I'm not gonna lie, I'm jealous of FFS, don't want to join them, but I saw they had a relic for 122 days straight, among 2 others, but I don't think that their success means we need to change the rules to make it harder for them. Maybe the titan hunting was another "well thought out" idea from HCS, but that doesn't mean FFS should suffer for it. Albeit that they have already profitted quite a bit by now. Just make something fair.
#663
Posted 22 April 2010 - 06:04
My suggestion would be to try spawning 4-6 titans at the exact time ..and no crap elemental titans either .. 2 oggy 2 Tsukiyaomo 2 skald all at the same time .. that way other guilds would have a better shot at winning
FFS can't kill em all
#664
Posted 22 April 2010 - 06:23
I don't think their is anything wrong with the current system FFS dominate as they should they are the most active guild with a very good reward system to motivate their members to rush to a titan.. you need 3-6 ppl (depending on stams) starting close to spawn time and also being decent hunters to win.. that to me is the main reason other guilds don't win... some say it's a waste of stam ..some titans their are no guilds placing 4th or 5th place because no one bothers to try ..
My suggestion would be to try spawning 4-6 titans at the exact time ..and no crap elemental titans either .. 2 oggy 2 Tsukiyaomo 2 skald all at the same time .. that way other guilds would have a better shot at winning
FFS can't kill em all
+1
#665
Posted 22 April 2010 - 07:00
I don't think their is anything wrong with the current system FFS dominate as they should they are the most active guild with a very good reward system to motivate their members to rush to a titan.. you need 3-6 ppl (depending on stams) starting close to spawn time and also being decent hunters to win.. that to me is the main reason other guilds don't win... some say it's a waste of stam ..some titans their are no guilds placing 4th or 5th place because no one bothers to try ..
My suggestion would be to try spawning 4-6 titans at the exact time ..and no crap elemental titans either .. 2 oggy 2 Tsukiyaomo 2 skald all at the same time .. that way other guilds would have a better shot at winning
FFS can't kill em all
You don't remember the lag when they did that recently.
So you think 3-6 decent hunters will beat FFS?
#666
fs_niick
Posted 22 April 2010 - 07:02
I have personally tried Titan Hunting once, sometime last week to be more specific. It was very easy at first, and kind of boring. Then other players started showing up and things got a bit more interesting. I may be a low level, and I may not have much max stamina, but I still pulled off soloing Ogalith with 252 kills, earning my guild 4th place for kills, only 5 kills from third.
Now, my point is that if I can get that many kills alone, being such a low level, having a real bad internet connection (and Computer), and I don't have much max stamina to burn; I think that if just a couple players in a guild joined up at a time and really tried, beating FFS is possible. Most people just seem to think that they can't win, so what's the point in trying? I thought, 'What the heck, let's give this a shot,' and I didn't do too bad. I may not have come first, but it doesn't mean I won't go and hunt titans in the future.
And even if FFS does have a monopoly on the Titan Epics, I say good job to them. They earned it. If they can organize themselves that well, they obviously deserve to be #1 and getting all the drops.
I can't say I disagree with all of the people who say that FFS should give everyone else a chance, I wouldn't mind getting myself a new pair of gloves;
I'm just rambling on now, so I'll end my post here by saying that I am not going to vote. I choose this because at the moment, there is no specific change being voted on, it's just whether I want a change or not. I think the current system is fine, but I also wouldn't mind seeing what else people can come up with...
"It's not the money I make, it's the thrill of the chase."
#667
Posted 22 April 2010 - 07:18
1. FFS (or their fan club) say they're bored with Titan hunting 'cos there's no competition ? - easy solution to that. Stop hunting for a month or two. Let other guilds get organised without you crushing them on their first outing and destroying their will to try.
2. FFS seem to win almost, if not all, titan spawns now - but do the prices come down ? - not noticeably. So, the claim that " we hunt for the competition, not the fsp" is blatantly false. Normally, a oversupply of an item results in prices lowering - unless the vendors stockpile in order to manipulate the flow of items and thus keep the price up - again, disproving the "we're not in this for the fsp" comment.
3. A comment raised gaining some support was that if you win a, for instance, Tsuki helm, you can't enter then next one. How about extending it to, you win one titan, you can't enter ANY of the next (insert random number here) of titan spawns - so, you can't even pick and chose. The titans spawn randomly so killing titan "A" might well mean you have to miss out on the more lucrative titan "B".
4. Anything that stops 1 guild (doesnt matter who it is, could be ANY guild) from dominating one aspect of the game is a good move in my book.
*climbs off soapbox again and stands ready with the fire extinguisher*
#668
Posted 22 April 2010 - 07:29
HCS seems to think this system is more fair for slower connections, and has brought more people to titan hunting...which is hardly the outcome it had made.
I asked my guild to not hunt 1 titan at ALL and just let me go up against what ever competition arrived to show just how little interest people have in titans, i also made sure to do 1 of the lower level 1's as they have "more" people who can hunt them, so tonight I went and hunted a skally all by myself and will post the results in a screen shot.
This was also done to show how easy it would be for guilds to win the items and flood the market with epics if this new update was to be implemented...
Individuals would easily be able to go out and continuously win epics by them selves if they had the stamina and time, not to mention can endure all the clicking it takes, I must admit my wrist is very tired after clicking for 3 hrs straight for 2000 kills.
#669
fs_citizenx
Posted 22 April 2010 - 07:51
The people that know what they are doing win the awards...
If you want more participation then just enlarge the RP rewards for 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th... Simple as!
I'm sure you will agree that not many guilds actually go on a Titan hunt expecting to win, they go for the RP...
Other than that it works fine already...
Now that thats over please fix the Arena...
Kthnxbi
#670
Posted 22 April 2010 - 07:55
#671
Posted 22 April 2010 - 07:57
Titan system is fine.. It works how its supposed to...
The people that know what they are doing win the awards...
If you want more participation then just enlarge the RP rewards for 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th... Simple as!
Kthnxbi
So, hang on, you want to maintain the high prices of the titan drops and lower the prices of the epics ? - 'cos that's what increasing the level of RP would do ...
#672
Posted 22 April 2010 - 07:58
Posted: 7:54 22 Apr 2010
The 'Skaldir the Chill (Titan)' titan has been defeated!
The guild 'For Fracks Sake' was determined the overall victor in the struggle against the titan and received the item 'Skaldirs Frostbitten Steps'
~ The Fallen Sword Team
and the results are in, and in 2nd in a 1 man guild is FlyingHighA, nice effort as well bro, and shows even more the lack of competition out there...
#673
Posted 22 April 2010 - 08:00
i wish i would have had more stamina
#674
Posted 22 April 2010 - 08:01
Titan system is fine.. It works how its supposed to...
The people that know what they are doing win the awards...
If you want more participation then just enlarge the RP rewards for 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th... Simple as!
I'm sure you will agree that not many guilds actually go on a Titan hunt expecting to win, they go for the RP...
Other than that it works fine already...
lol especially after seeing leos solo a skaldir..and flyinghigh taking second
more RP rewards for 2nd-5th place and just more RP rewards all together would bring more hunters to the field..
#675
Posted 22 April 2010 - 08:03
I tried to help yathat was the dullest hunt ever. lol
i wish i would have had more stamina
Grats on the RP!
#676
fs_citizenx
Posted 22 April 2010 - 08:04
So, hang on, you want to maintain the high prices of the titan drops and lower the prices of the epics ? - 'cos that's what increasing the level of RP would do ...
In Short... Yes!
Titan Epics price is Fine... Let it stay that way.
#677
Posted 22 April 2010 - 08:05
I tried to help yathat was the dullest hunt ever. lol
i wish i would have had more stamina
Grats on the RP!
Yes and i really appreciated that
not bad for 2000 stamina. hehe
#678
Posted 22 April 2010 - 08:07
So, hang on, you want to maintain the high prices of the titan drops and lower the prices of the epics ? - 'cos that's what increasing the level of RP would do ...
In Short... Yes!
Titan Epics price is Fine... Let it stay that way.
Actually, no, i disagree, they're not fine - but there you go, we'll agree to disagree on that. But what i don't understand is why you want to maintain the price of 1 set of drops yet lower even further, the price of the Epics. Titans should have a different award to RP - TKP has been suggested - to keep the two items completely distinct and seperate.
Titans :- Titan drops and points towards making titan drops
GvG :- RP for making Epics
#679
fs_kaisersz
Posted 22 April 2010 - 09:20
When two single hunters can come in 1st and 2nd against other 'Guilds' so to speak proves that all the talk about smaller sized guilds not having a chance to win and all is not exactly true. If anyone is committed and puts in reasonable effort, they too can come out tops. Of course some basic knowledge of hunting efficiency is necessary but the main thing is... it is possible.
The Titan system may not be perfect, yea there should/would be improvements, either way it has little or nothing to do with leveling the playing field. It's already in place.
#680
Posted 22 April 2010 - 09:28
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