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Do you like this idea?

  1. Voted Yes. (304 votes [64.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 64.00%

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    Percentage of vote: 36.00%

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#761 Mister Doom

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Posted 24 April 2010 - 23:34

Even members of your own guild don't like how you go about titans, it's not fun for you, it's all business. Here's an exerpt from your guild chat from one of the fast hunters..

16:03 21/Apr/2010 FlyinHighA [b] I appreciate all the help from everyone here from my 1st se, my 1st arena win, all the help on GVGing and all the buffs....but honestly the last two weeks have sucked as im now not only limited by hcs but now by new frackers on titans....and that goof getting max's mass is the final straw... I wish 122 of you the best of luck and the mole can kiss my ASS!

Yeah, everyone should be REALLY jealous and dying to join FFS.. hahaha


You know, if you want to read our guild chat so bad, you can always apply in our guild forum

http://www.fsffs.net/

Or do you enjoy the fact that you have a friend in our guild whom passes you information.......



When I applied to panic I got asked to send in a app to FFS by your leadership.. I was shocked but, tbh, I'd rather quit the game. ;)

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#762 UrcK

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Posted 24 April 2010 - 23:34

I'm curious shardoom .. since we have had 0 interaction ... what is your opinion of me ?¿


I've seen the way you talk to people who don't go along with FFS's agenda. You to me are just like the rest of them.


What way could that be ?¿

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Posted 24 April 2010 - 23:35

I just go by the sheer amount of support I have received via pm.. A lot of people are indeed intimidated by the frackers when they come out in force on the forum..


That's fine, but PMs don't get things across to the cows, so I hope you encourage them to come to the forums and make themselves heard rather than basking in their 'support'.

As it is, by your earlier '64% Approval' logic I have 2 active threads which should immediately be implemented in the game (but won't be), so I guess I'll go back to the drawing board.


Which threads would those be RJEM? Were they ideas put forward by HCS themselves too?

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Posted 24 April 2010 - 23:39

I'm curious shardoom .. since we have had 0 interaction ... what is your opinion of me ?¿


I've seen the way you talk to people who don't go along with FFS's agenda. You to me are just like the rest of them.


What way could that be ?¿


The usual, it's mainly you guys' arrogance that lets you down. I honestly can't even be bothered to go through your history of posts to find an example..

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Posted 24 April 2010 - 23:40

I miss Retsnom :/

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Posted 24 April 2010 - 23:41

I miss Retsnom :/


Yeah, FFS didn't run rampage smashing down ideas when RETS was in charge.

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Posted 24 April 2010 - 23:43

That's fine, but PMs don't get things across to the cows, so I hope you encourage them to come to the forums and make themselves heard rather than basking in their 'support'.

As it is, by your earlier '64% Approval' logic I have 2 active threads which should immediately be implemented in the game (but won't be), so I guess I'll go back to the drawing board.



This is not directed at you, but everyone.

The polls mean nothing. 10% of the players could want something and the cows could implement it. 51% could achieve the same result as could 100% support. I mean, if the cows started a poll asking who wants free fsps I am pretty such everyone would say yes, but that doesn't mean it is going to happen :lol:

Hopefully the cows do not use this kind of a poll again, because ultimately they have the final say, regardless of how many people vote (because let's face it, not everyone votes and this is not a democracy anyways). What we all are hoping is that the cows do what is right, not what is popular.

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Posted 24 April 2010 - 23:44

I miss Retsnom :/


Yeah, FFS didn't run rampage smashing down ideas when RETS was in charge.


How he managed to curb all this arrogance and keep most of them on a leash is just mind boggling.

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Posted 24 April 2010 - 23:46

http://forum.fallens...php?f=1&t=92867
http://forum.fallens...php?f=1&t=92306

:) I think you even approved of one of the ideas yourself, but I may be wrong. Anyway, they aren't HCS initiated threads but I think they're worth a bit of attention given the huge focus on titans recently.

Then there's a whole heap of fun to be had discussing the new skills. All in all, titans aren't my priority right now.

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Posted 24 April 2010 - 23:46


That's fine, but PMs don't get things across to the cows, so I hope you encourage them to come to the forums and make themselves heard rather than basking in their 'support'.

As it is, by your earlier '64% Approval' logic I have 2 active threads which should immediately be implemented in the game (but won't be), so I guess I'll go back to the drawing board.



This is not directed at you, but everyone.

The polls mean nothing. 10% of the players could want something and the cows could implement it. 51% could achieve the same result as could 100% support. I mean, if the cows started a poll asking who wants free fsps I am pretty such everyone would say yes, but that doesn't mean it is going to happen :lol:

Hopefully the cows do not use this kind of a poll again, because ultimately they have the final say, regardless of how many people vote (because let's face it, not everyone votes and this is not a democracy anyways). What we all are hoping is that the cows do what is right, not what is popular.


No, get it right. YOU want hcs to keep things as they are right now because that is what is right for YOU. It's clear as day, that is the only reason you're fighting against the change, to protect your profit margin, thats all you ever cared about. If you truly hunted the titans for the sheer fun of it the collossus would be dead by now.

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Posted 24 April 2010 - 23:48

I miss Retsnom :/


Yeah, FFS didn't run rampage smashing down ideas when RETS was in charge.


What? They did lol. Suggestion forum, titan thread, it's a mess of selfishness, forum thuging and putting down others. In fact I'd say it has gotten a whole lot better.

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Posted 24 April 2010 - 23:49

http://forum.fallens...php?f=1&t=92867
http://forum.fallens...php?f=1&t=92306

:) I think you even approved of one of the ideas yourself, but I may be wrong. Anyway, they aren't HCS initiated threads but I think they're worth a bit of attention given the huge focus on titans recently.

Then there's a whole heap of fun to be had discussing the new skills. All in all, titans aren't my priority right now.


So basically two ideas of your own creation. Nothing at all like HCS noticing that something is desperately wrong and trying to gauge popular opinion on a possible solution. The last idea had great merit and had a lot of support but because of the small guilds that have placed 2nd ONCE and think they can run against FFS with just a couple more hunters crying against it it got shut out and locked. Some people are just strange.

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Posted 24 April 2010 - 23:50

I miss Retsnom :/


Yeah, FFS didn't run rampage smashing down ideas when RETS was in charge.


What? They did lol. Suggestion forum, titan thread, it's a mess of selfishness, forum thuging and putting down others. In fact I'd say it has gotten a whole lot better.


Sure but at the end of the day when RETS cracked his whip the dogs heeled.

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Posted 24 April 2010 - 23:54

I only read the first ~8 or so pages of this thread before I got bored of finding personal attacks every 1/3 posts

I think it's fascinating to see some people compare titan hunting with BH, arena, and SE hunting; "why aren't you limiting people to winning those as well?". just the desperation in making such a comparison entertains me, since there's no monopoly in either of those game areas. not even close. there are atleast a 100 more SEs, bounties and arena tourneys that spawn every day compared to titans. I thought that went without saying but apparently not :lol:

I'm not a fan of the second suggestion, frankly it's terrible. I'm still standing by my suggestion. Groups. There's a threshold of participants in every bloody sport/game out there, so why not this? You can only measure competition when every other factor is put into a control group. unlimited participants, heavily influenced by location and connection. Seriously, no one should be surprised things have gotten this bad. And no guild is to blame when the implementation was so poor and imbalanced to begin with.

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Posted 24 April 2010 - 23:55

http://forum.fallens...php?f=1&t=92867
http://forum.fallens...php?f=1&t=92306

:) I think you even approved of one of the ideas yourself, but I may be wrong. Anyway, they aren't HCS initiated threads but I think they're worth a bit of attention given the huge focus on titans recently.

Then there's a whole heap of fun to be had discussing the new skills. All in all, titans aren't my priority right now.


So basically two ideas of your own creation. Nothing at all like HCS noticing that something is desperately wrong and trying to gauge popular opinion on a possible solution. The last idea had great merit and had a lot of support but because of the small guilds that have placed 2nd ONCE and think they can run against FFS with just a couple more hunters crying against it it got shut out and locked. Some people are just strange.


The last idea would have allowed guilds a chance to get the items, but at a sacrifice of the 'competition' aspect of hunting - you're simply racing the clock to rack up kills, and once you reached the threshold you could leave. Given that this isn't about the items according to you, but the chance to win, I don't see the merit.

If anything, I like this lockout idea more than the previous one because it does at least involve competing directly with other guilds, which is the fun part.

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Posted 24 April 2010 - 23:55

I only read the first ~8 or so pages of this thread before I got bored of finding personal attacks every 1/3 posts

I think it's fascinating to see some people compare titan hunting with BH, arena, and SE hunting; "why aren't you limiting people to winning those as well?". just the desperation in making such a comparison entertains me, since there's no monopoly in either of those game areas. not even close. there are atleast a 100 more SEs, bounties and arena tourneys that spawn every day compared to titans. I thought that went without saying but apparently not :lol:

I'm not a fan of the second suggestion, frankly it's terrible. I'm still standing by my suggestion. Groups. There's a threshold of participants in every bloody sport/game out there, so why not this? You can only measure competition when every other factor is put into a control group. unlimited participants, heavily influenced by location and connection. Seriously, no one should be surprised things have gotten this bad. And no guild is to blame when the implementation was so poor and imbalanced to begin with.


Thats right, however when a guild fights to maintain the stanglehold then a line must be drawn. ;)

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Posted 24 April 2010 - 23:56

[quote name="Shardoom"]I've seen the way you talk to people who don't go along with FFS's agenda. You to me are just like the rest of them.[/quote]

What way could that be ?¿[/quote]

The usual, it's mainly you guys' arrogance that lets you down. I honestly can't even be bothered to go through your history of posts to find an example..[/quote]

You would be wasting your time filtering my post history ...

#778 Kevin

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Posted 24 April 2010 - 23:56


That's fine, but PMs don't get things across to the cows, so I hope you encourage them to come to the forums and make themselves heard rather than basking in their 'support'.

As it is, by your earlier '64% Approval' logic I have 2 active threads which should immediately be implemented in the game (but won't be), so I guess I'll go back to the drawing board.



This is not directed at you, but everyone.

The polls mean nothing. 10% of the players could want something and the cows could implement it. 51% could achieve the same result as could 100% support. I mean, if the cows started a poll asking who wants free fsps I am pretty such everyone would say yes, but that doesn't mean it is going to happen :lol:

Hopefully the cows do not use this kind of a poll again, because ultimately they have the final say, regardless of how many people vote (because let's face it, not everyone votes and this is not a democracy anyways). What we all are hoping is that the cows do what is right, not what is popular.


No, get it right. YOU want hcs to keep things as they are right now because that is what is right for YOU. It's clear as day, that is the only reason you're fighting against the change, to protect your profit margin, thats all you ever cared about. If you truly hunted the titans for the sheer fun of it the collossus would be dead by now.



Wow, you are a mind reader too :shock:

I am not too proud to admit that I MIGHT be biased (but I honestly believe that if it was another guild that was dominating the titans I would hold the same opinion).

What I believe is that the titans are fair: every guild can hunt them, every guild can send as many players as they want, etc. FFS is simply better than any other guild right now. I am a competitive person and believe in competition. The current system is a monopoly in that FFS is winning all the epics, but it is not a monopoly in that we prevent competition. That is where monopolies are harmful (although I suppose if epics were necessary to playing this game and because of that we set the price, that would be bad too, but that is not the case).

You have your clouded opinion and that is fine. No matter what I or any Fracker says, you are going to interpret it as greed and protecting our profits and what ever else you accuse us of. Thankfully, many other people from many other guilds do not see it this way on this thread. They realize that preventing a guild from hunting a titan because they win, is just not fair.

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Posted 24 April 2010 - 23:57

http://forum.fallens...php?f=1&t=92867
http://forum.fallens...php?f=1&t=92306

:) I think you even approved of one of the ideas yourself, but I may be wrong. Anyway, they aren't HCS initiated threads but I think they're worth a bit of attention given the huge focus on titans recently.

Then there's a whole heap of fun to be had discussing the new skills. All in all, titans aren't my priority right now.


So basically two ideas of your own creation. Nothing at all like HCS noticing that something is desperately wrong and trying to gauge popular opinion on a possible solution. The last idea had great merit and had a lot of support but because of the small guilds that have placed 2nd ONCE and think they can run against FFS with just a couple more hunters crying against it it got shut out and locked. Some people are just strange.


The last idea would have allowed guilds a chance to get the items, but at a sacrifice of the 'competition' aspect of hunting - you're simply racing the clock to rack up kills, and once you reached the threshold you could leave. Given that this isn't about the items according to you, but the chance to win, I don't see the merit.

If anything, I like this lockout idea more than the previous one because it does at least involve competing directly with other guilds, which is the fun part.


Not at all! :) It would all depend on the time allowed. If the timeframe was strict enough we could potentially have seen the titan getting away without dropping anything..

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#780 Mister Doom

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Posted 24 April 2010 - 23:58

Wow, you are a mind reader too :shock:

I am not too proud to admit that I MIGHT be biased (but I honestly believe that if it was another guild that was dominating the titans I would hold the same opinion).

What I believe is that the titans are fair: every guild can hunt them, every guild can send as many players as they want, etc. FFS is simply better than any other guild right now. I am a competitive person and believe in competition. The current system is a monopoly in that FFS is winning all the epics, but it is not a monopoly in that we prevent competition. That is where monopolies are harmful (although I suppose if epics were necessary to playing this game and because of that we set the price, that would be bad too, but that is not the case).

You have your clouded opinion and that is fine. No matter what I or any Fracker says, you are going to interpret it as greed and protecting our profits and what ever else you accuse us of. Thankfully, many other people from many other guilds do not see it this way on this thread. They realize that preventing a guild from hunting a titan because they win, is just not fair.


Not really, a lot of the posts against the ideas are from guilds that due to FFS propaganda are under the misconception that if they try hard enough they can attain victory. In fact if they try harder they just save you people a bit of stamina.

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