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#781 Kevin

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Posted 25 April 2010 - 00:02

I only read the first ~8 or so pages of this thread before I got bored of finding personal attacks every 1/3 posts

I think it's fascinating to see some people compare titan hunting with BH, arena, and SE hunting; "why aren't you limiting people to winning those as well?". just the desperation in making such a comparison entertains me, since there's no monopoly in either of those game areas. not even close. there are atleast a 100 more SEs, bounties and arena tourneys that spawn every day compared to titans. I thought that went without saying but apparently not :lol:

I'm not a fan of the second suggestion, frankly it's terrible. I'm still standing by my suggestion. Groups. There's a threshold of participants in every bloody sport/game out there, so why not this? You can only measure competition when every other factor is put into a control group. unlimited participants, heavily influenced by location and connection. Seriously, no one should be surprised things have gotten this bad. And no guild is to blame when the implementation was so poor and imbalanced to begin with.


Thats right, however when a guild fights to maintain the stanglehold then a line must be drawn. ;)


We have made and supported this suggestion, but were promptly flamed for doing so. How many members should be allowed per group? 4? 8? I ask because if I were to suggest a number I am sure I would accused of some kind of ulterior motive.

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Posted 25 April 2010 - 00:03

I only read the first ~8 or so pages of this thread before I got bored of finding personal attacks every 1/3 posts

I think it's fascinating to see some people compare titan hunting with BH, arena, and SE hunting; "why aren't you limiting people to winning those as well?". just the desperation in making such a comparison entertains me, since there's no monopoly in either of those game areas. not even close. there are atleast a 100 more SEs, bounties and arena tourneys that spawn every day compared to titans. I thought that went without saying but apparently not :lol:

I'm not a fan of the second suggestion, frankly it's terrible. I'm still standing by my suggestion. Groups. There's a threshold of participants in every bloody sport/game out there, so why not this? You can only measure competition when every other factor is put into a control group. unlimited participants, heavily influenced by location and connection. Seriously, no one should be surprised things have gotten this bad. And no guild is to blame when the implementation was so poor and imbalanced to begin with.


Thats right, however when a guild fights to maintain the stanglehold then a line must be drawn. ;)


We have made and supported this suggestion, but were promptly flamed for doing so. How many members should be allowed per group? 4? 8? I ask because if I were to suggest a number I am sure I would accused of some kind of ulterior motive.


What?? You people only started to agree with such ideas when ideas that would have affected you worse started to appear from HCS' mouth..

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Posted 25 April 2010 - 00:03




Wow, you are a mind reader too :shock:

I am not too proud to admit that I MIGHT be biased (but I honestly believe that if it was another guild that was dominating the titans I would hold the same opinion).

What I believe is that the titans are fair: every guild can hunt them, every guild can send as many players as they want, etc. FFS is simply better than any other guild right now. I am a competitive person and believe in competition. The current system is a monopoly in that FFS is winning all the epics, but it is not a monopoly in that we prevent competition. That is where monopolies are harmful (although I suppose if epics were necessary to playing this game and because of that we set the price, that would be bad too, but that is not the case).

You have your clouded opinion and that is fine. No matter what I or any Fracker says, you are going to interpret it as greed and protecting our profits and what ever else you accuse us of. Thankfully, many other people from many other guilds do not see it this way on this thread. They realize that preventing a guild from hunting a titan because they win, is just not fair.


Not really, a lot of the posts against the ideas are from guilds that due to FFS propaganda are under the misconception that if they try hard enough they can attain victory. In fact if they try harder they just save you people a bit of stamina.


And your propaganda that the only way to beat us is by handicapping us has convinced a good number of people too. The fact is our "propaganda" is true. We do not have some magic win button. If a guild gets more kills than us, they will win. Pretty simple really :roll:

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Posted 25 April 2010 - 00:04

Pretty simple huh? Then tell me, dear boy. Why is it you win all of the titans now? No one else wins any titans at all. Why is this?

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Posted 25 April 2010 - 00:05

Not at all! :) It would all depend on the time allowed. If the timeframe was strict enough we could potentially have seen the titan getting away without dropping anything..


Make the timeframe too strict and you would exclude the small guild from having any hope at a reward, especially with the time delay on kills in place. Assuming perfect clicking speeds of 3s per titan and no movement time you can only kill 1200 per person per hour, with no competition. Factor in lots of other hunters and it soon scales to requiring 5-6-7-8 hunters on the map to have any real hope in a tight window.

Again, I would favour TKPs if this unlimited HP system were introduced, so you can rack up points over multiple hunts as a stamina intensive solo hunter. Whichever poison is picked it will need some amendments.

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Posted 25 April 2010 - 00:05


Thats right, however when a guild fights to maintain the stanglehold then a line must be drawn. ;)


We have made and supported this suggestion, but were promptly flamed for doing so. How many members should be allowed per group? 4? 8? I ask because if I were to suggest a number I am sure I would accused of some kind of ulterior motive.


What?? You people only started to agree with such ideas when ideas that would have affected you worse started to appear from HCS' mouth..


Naturally, as I have already stated, their is nothing wrong with the titans to begin with, so why would I suggest fixes for something that is not broken?

Now that it appears the cows are going to change titans, we know we had better get our 2 cents in otherwise ludicrous ideas, like this OP, will be implemented. Given the choice of the lesser of 2 evils, what are we to do???

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Posted 25 April 2010 - 00:06


Not at all! :) It would all depend on the time allowed. If the timeframe was strict enough we could potentially have seen the titan getting away without dropping anything..


Make the timeframe too strict and you would exclude the small guild from having any hope at a reward, especially with the time delay on kills in place. Assuming perfect clicking speeds of 3s per titan and no movement time you can only kill 1200 per person per hour, with no competition. Factor in lots of other hunters and it soon scales to requiring 5-6-7-8 hunters on the map to have any real hope in a tight window.

Again, I would favour TKPs if this unlimited HP system were introduced, so you can rack up points over multiple hunts as a stamina intensive solo hunter. Whichever poison is picked it will need some amendments.


Yeah TKP's would work well in that system. Pity you and so many others fought against that idea without thinking about that though huh?

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Posted 25 April 2010 - 00:08

Naturally, as I have already stated, their is nothing wrong with the titans to begin with, so why would I suggest fixes for something that is not broken?

Now that it appears the cows are going to change titans, we know we had better get our 2 cents in otherwise ludicrous ideas, like this OP, will be implemented. Given the choice of the lesser of 2 evils, what are we to do???


Not broken.. hahahaha Yeah right. This is why you get flamed, this is why you are hated. It's not broken because you can break up other guilds and create the unltimate titan hunting guild and block all competition, but yeah, the game is fine.. :roll:

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Posted 25 April 2010 - 00:08

Pretty simple huh? Then tell me, dear boy. Why is it you win all of the titans now? No one else wins any titans at all. Why is this?


Why do people lose to Tiger Woods or why did Pete Sampras win so many Wimbledon finals?

No one is currently able to beat us :roll: . This does not prove titans are brokenthough . This proves that we want it more than any other guild. Seriously, we do not have any kind of unfair advantage that other guilds do not have. Right now it is all about practice and effort.

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Posted 25 April 2010 - 00:10


Not at all! :) It would all depend on the time allowed. If the timeframe was strict enough we could potentially have seen the titan getting away without dropping anything..


Make the timeframe too strict and you would exclude the small guild from having any hope at a reward, especially with the time delay on kills in place. Assuming perfect clicking speeds of 3s per titan and no movement time you can only kill 1200 per person per hour, with no competition. Factor in lots of other hunters and it soon scales to requiring 5-6-7-8 hunters on the map to have any real hope in a tight window.

Again, I would favour TKPs if this unlimited HP system were introduced, so you can rack up points over multiple hunts as a stamina intensive solo hunter. Whichever poison is picked it will need some amendments.


Yeah TKP's would work well in that system. Pity you and so many others fought against that idea without thinking about that though huh?


Fought against TKPs? Or against the time limit suggestion? My only objection to the time limit suggestion was the removal of the direct competition for places on a leaderboard, so it became more like an 'everybody wins' than I would like. I don't think I said anything else in there at all.

Edit: Also, once again the poll was yes/no, and without TKPs included it had to be a no vote!

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Posted 25 April 2010 - 00:11



Naturally, as I have already stated, their is nothing wrong with the titans to begin with, so why would I suggest fixes for something that is not broken?

Now that it appears the cows are going to change titans, we know we had better get our 2 cents in otherwise ludicrous ideas, like this OP, will be implemented. Given the choice of the lesser of 2 evils, what are we to do???


Not broken.. hahahaha Yeah right. This is why you get flamed, this is why you are hated. It's not broken because you can break up other guilds and create the unltimate titan hunting guild and block all competition, but yeah, the game is fine.. :roll:



How do we block competition? Are we somehow able to stop people from hunting? Anyone that wants to hunt can, we can not stop them.

We do not break up guilds. There have been players that have joined our guild (and many that left). Get your facts straight before you throw your DOOM mud around.

Why are the Yankees hated? Oh yes, because they cheat :lol: The best are often hated by those that can not beat them.

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Posted 25 April 2010 - 00:12

Pretty simple huh? Then tell me, dear boy. Why is it you win all of the titans now? No one else wins any titans at all. Why is this?


Why do people lose to Tiger Woods or why did Pete Sampras win so many Wimbledon finals?

No one is currently able to beat us :roll: . This does not prove titans are brokenthough . This proves that we want it more than any other guild. Seriously, we do not have any kind of unfair advantage that other guilds do not have. Right now it is all about practice and effort.


Practise and effort? Perhaps if titans had just started. You have had the time to build up your guild absorbing the best hunters from around FS and now your are unbeatable, when one guild wins every single event to the point were other guilds don't even try something has to change. I think it's funny you people like to copare yourselves to sporting legends, you are not. If anything you are like a struggling football team that has had a cash injection and bought there way to the top. You took advantage of the relic mess and then the titans and forged ahead. Now you cry foul when people start to realise something is not right. I should pity you really for your delusions of greatness.

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Posted 25 April 2010 - 00:13

Back on rails: 2nd to 5th place rewards needs to happen. I'd say 80+% agrees on that much.

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Posted 25 April 2010 - 00:14

Hi, 2nd to 5th place rewards needs to happen. I'd say 80+% agrees on that much.


I'd guess even more than that - who would be against them?

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Posted 25 April 2010 - 00:14

Fought against TKPs? Or against the time limit suggestion? My only objection to the time limit suggestion was the removal of the direct competition for places on a leaderboard, so it became more like an 'everybody wins' than I would like. I don't think I said anything else in there at all.

Edit: Also, once again the poll was yes/no, and without TKPs included it had to be a no vote!


There would have still been direct competition, thats the sad thing. The titan spawns would have still been at the same rate, you would have still had to run around the map racing other guilds... It would simply have allowed more than ONE GUILD to have access to a drop. Something that obviously the frackers would be dead set against, I just don't understand why YOU would be though..

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Posted 25 April 2010 - 00:15

Pretty simple huh? Then tell me, dear boy. Why is it you win all of the titans now? No one else wins any titans at all. Why is this?


Why do people lose to Tiger Woods or why did Pete Sampras win so many Wimbledon finals?

No one is currently able to beat us :roll: . This does not prove titans are brokenthough . This proves that we want it more than any other guild. Seriously, we do not have any kind of unfair advantage that other guilds do not have. Right now it is all about practice and effort.


Practise and effort? Perhaps if titans had just started. You have had the time to build up your guild absorbing the best hunters from around FS and now your are unbeatable, when one guild wins every single event to the point were other guilds don't even try something has to change. I think it's funny you people like to copare yourselves to sporting legends, you are not. If anything you are like a struggling football team that has had a cash injection and bought there way to the top. You took advantage of the relic mess and then the titans and forged ahead. Now you cry foul when people start to realise something is not right. I should pity you really for your delusions of greatness.


We are not unbeatable, to state that is simply false.

Save your pity for yourself, we do not need it. Cheers mate, I am tiring of beating my head against the wall of DOOM and your typing is going down hill, so you should probably take a break.

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Posted 25 April 2010 - 00:16

Hi, 2nd to 5th place rewards needs to happen. I'd say 80+% agrees on that much.


I'd guess even more than that - who would be against them?


Conservative estimate. Better to show it's a large number based on conservative estimate than to seem heavily biased with numbers like "99% of people".

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Posted 25 April 2010 - 00:18

Save your pity for yourself, we do not need it. Cheers mate, I am tiring of beating my head against the wall of DOOM and your typing is going down hill, so you should probably take a break.


I've heard it many times from members of FFS ;) We are awesome, we are unbeatable, we've got this titan thing in the bag. If anyone challenges we just release more hunters.. Destroying a fun aspect of the game for 90% of the FS community is not a good thing, you know?

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Posted 25 April 2010 - 00:21



Fought against TKPs? Or against the time limit suggestion? My only objection to the time limit suggestion was the removal of the direct competition for places on a leaderboard, so it became more like an 'everybody wins' than I would like. I don't think I said anything else in there at all.

Edit: Also, once again the poll was yes/no, and without TKPs included it had to be a no vote!


There would have still been direct competition, thats the sad thing. The titan spawns would have still been at the same rate, you would have still had to run around the map racing other guilds... It would simply have allowed more than ONE GUILD to have access to a drop. Something that obviously the frackers would be dead set against, I just don't understand why YOU would be though..


I want more people to have access to the drop, obviously, because we still haven't been able to acquire them all. However, something in me likes racing across the map with the knowledge that getting there first means something - you beat the other guilds and that has a direct impact on your chances.

In the current system if there were 20 spawns on a spot and 1 guy got 11 and the other 9 due to speed then that relegated the 2nd place guy down the ladder. Under the previous proposal it would just mean the 2nd guy needed to hang around a bit longer to make up the difference, because once Player 1 reached 2500 with his guild he would be off. That's what I meant be competition, sorry if I wasn't clear!

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Posted 25 April 2010 - 00:22



Fought against TKPs? Or against the time limit suggestion? My only objection to the time limit suggestion was the removal of the direct competition for places on a leaderboard, so it became more like an 'everybody wins' than I would like. I don't think I said anything else in there at all.

Edit: Also, once again the poll was yes/no, and without TKPs included it had to be a no vote!


There would have still been direct competition, thats the sad thing. The titan spawns would have still been at the same rate, you would have still had to run around the map racing other guilds... It would simply have allowed more than ONE GUILD to have access to a drop. Something that obviously the frackers would be dead set against, I just don't understand why YOU would be though..


I want more people to have access to the drop, obviously, because we still haven't been able to acquire them all. However, something in me likes racing across the map with the knowledge that getting there first means something - you beat the other guilds and that has a direct impact on your chances.

In the current system if there were 20 spawns on a spot and 1 guy got 11 and the other 9 due to speed then that relegated the 2nd place guy down the ladder. Under the previous proposal it would just mean the 2nd guy needed to hang around a bit longer to make up the difference, because once Player 1 reached 2500 with his guild he would be off. That's what I meant be competition, sorry if I wasn't clear!


And that sytem has proved to be a complete failure for every guild but one for months. Honestly do you think the titan system is fine as it is?

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