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#1 DragonLord

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Posted 06 May 2010 - 08:29

I know it's been mentioned a zillion times before - and probably will be mentioned a zillion times more too, and I fully expect to get shot down by those fortunate enough to hold the "key" relics but ...

Relics are overpowered - pure and simple.

I'm sort of ambivalent about the bonuses (albeit too high) they bestow their members for hunting (even tho they are a massive WIN button) but the fact that these bonuses also apply to PvP/GvG (assuming they do - never seen anything to the contrary) gives a MASSIVE bonus.

Currently, the top 4 guilds in the game "own" 13 of the best (if not THE best) relics in game ...

FFS :- 10% Armor from 1, 10% Attack/Defence/Armor/HP/Damage from a 2nd and 10% Attack/Defence/Armor/Damage/HP from a 3rd.

The Eternal Warriors :- 10% Defence/Damage from 1, 10% Attack/Defence/Armor/HP/Damage from a 2nd and 10% Attack/Defence/Armor/HP/Damage from a 3rd

Panic :- 10% Attack/Damage from 1, 10% Attack/Damage/Armor/HP/Damage from a 2nd and 10% Attack/Defence/Armor/HP/Damage from a 3rd

Angellife :- 10% Attack/Defence/Armor/HP/Damage from 1, 10% Defence from a 2nd and 10% Attack/Defence/Armor/HP/Damage from a 3rd

Most of those relics there ALSO have Stamina and/or XP and/or Gold gains too.

What i propose is :-

1. Split off Stamina / XP / Gold gains from the hunting gains - have them on completely distinct relics so that if a guild wants the stam/xp/gold, then they DON'T also get the ATT/DEF/DAM bonuses too.

2. Lower the maximum bonus from a relic from 10% to 5%


The trend of new relics at EOC having EVERY bonus is very disturbing too - If the monsters are that tough up there to NEED the assistance of the relics, then they're pitched too tough - and if they DONT need it, why do the new relics have such phenomenal bonuses that only those at EOC can benefit from. Relics should boost 1 or 2 stats, maximum.

#2 acvila

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Posted 06 May 2010 - 08:34

anyone can take relics these days, no matter if the relic is defended by 60+ people and has 100k+ defense, anyone can take them.

i say increase the minimum time at 2-3 hours so that everyone can enjoy the upgraded relics to hunt, if there is a slow connection

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Posted 06 May 2010 - 08:37

I agree .. They either need to drop some EOC relics, or drop the stats to one or two max, as all stats are just way too much.

The ONLY ones that should have all stats, are those in the easily accessible sub-100-200's since there'd be a lot more fight for them. Though those type should be few and far between.


@ acvilla

Problem is, there's so many relics at uber high levels, that there's no fighting for them. They can be held undefended for days.

#4 DragonLord

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Posted 06 May 2010 - 08:39

anyone can take relics these days, no matter if the relic is defended by 60+ people and has 100k+ defense, anyone can take them.

i say increase the minimum time at 2-3 hours so that everyone can enjoy the upgraded relics to hunt, if there is a slow connection


HOGWASH ... any of the other top guilds with lots of players maybe, but not otherwise.

I'd love to know how you think a small guild of, say, 20 players, could take a relic with 60 people on it and 100K defence - even WITH DC225...

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Posted 06 May 2010 - 08:42

anyone can take relics these days, no matter if the relic is defended by 60+ people and has 100k+ defense, anyone can take them.

i say increase the minimum time at 2-3 hours so that everyone can enjoy the upgraded relics to hunt, if there is a slow connection


HOGWASH ... any of the other top guilds with lots of players maybe, but not otherwise.

I'd love to know how you think a small guild of, say, 20 players, could take a relic with 60 people on it and 100K defence - even WITH DC225...



Get all of the to switch to damage and attacks spam hoping for 2%? (damage to cover the odd armor) :lol:

#6 fs_stickisgod

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Posted 06 May 2010 - 08:42

They can get lucky!

#7 DragonLord

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Posted 06 May 2010 - 08:47

They can get lucky!


Well, yes, ok , you can get a 2% steal - but i'm talking about taking it "genuinely", not fluking it.

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Posted 06 May 2010 - 08:52

They can get lucky!


Well, yes, ok , you can get a 2% steal - but i'm talking about taking it "genuinely", not fluking it.



Well, fact is there's no reason to spread forces between many relics and it just makes sense for a relic with half or the whole guild on it to be hard to take. lol


Anywho, simple way to help fix this a bit is as you, I, and many others have said. Drop number of high level relics and make two stats the most any relic can have, aside from those in easily accessible areas.

#9 acvila

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Posted 06 May 2010 - 08:53

3 attack sets + KE and you can easily make 15k attack. ask the other guild members to stick on attack gear, and you made the group ready for relics. if you can't take the 800+ relics, try for the 600+ relics, they too have damage %, but for an hour, it just don't pay off.

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Posted 06 May 2010 - 08:56

They can get lucky!

They need to get very, VERY lucky. I worked it out before that to take the crystals you have a 0.1225% of getting a 2% hit, LD and reflection all to kick in. Possible, but.. thems big odds lol

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Posted 06 May 2010 - 08:59

They can get lucky!

They need to get very, VERY lucky. I worked it out before that to take the crystals you have a 0.1225% of getting a 2% hit, LD and reflection all to kick in. Possible, but.. thems big odds lol

Has happened to me multiple times. :cry:

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Posted 06 May 2010 - 09:04

3 attack sets + KE and you can easily make 15k attack. ask the other guild members to stick on attack gear, and you made the group ready for relics. if you can't take the 800+ relics, try for the 600+ relics, they too have damage %, but for an hour, it just don't pay off.



An hour of protection is just fine. If you want to keep the bonuses longer, you have an hour to get buddies on there. If you did it for just one hunt, hope for luck. This relic feeture is meant to be a guild based aspect of the game and part of that is holding them, if you really "need" the bonuses, which you don't. Like Epics, they are a luxury and are meant to sink gold.

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Posted 06 May 2010 - 09:09

Like Epics, they are a luxury and are meant to sink gold.

And the gold sink feature is lost when guilds hold them for longer periods of time. I'd love to see these relics lose 1 level every day they are held so you have to re-empower back to level 10 daily. But, I'm not a developer, I'm a cranky bad luck infested player.

#14 fs_regnier7

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Posted 06 May 2010 - 09:12

hhmmm.... maybe an upkeep instead of a decay? Have it based on blocks of members like structures in general.

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Posted 06 May 2010 - 09:12

anyone can take relics these days, no matter if the relic is defended by 60+ people and has 100k+ defense, anyone can take them.

i say increase the minimum time at 2-3 hours so that everyone can enjoy the upgraded relics to hunt, if there is a slow connection


HOGWASH ... any of the other top guilds with lots of players maybe, but not otherwise.

I'd love to know how you think a small guild of, say, 20 players, could take a relic with 60 people on it and 100K defence - even WITH DC225...


i know how. get more members in their guild, if they want to take a relic with 60+ people defending it, they should make themselves ready to do so. not everybody can have everything in the game.
or should we make epics available for everybody too? make them buyout in the auction for 1 fsp because else the lower players who dont spend alot of money on the game cant have them? or wait, not 1 fsp. 1 gold. or you will have to wait till like lvl 20-30 before u can buy ur fist one.

#16 DragonLord

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Posted 06 May 2010 - 17:02

3 attack sets + KE and you can easily make 15k attack. ask the other guild members to stick on attack gear, and you made the group ready for relics. if you can't take the 800+ relics, try for the 600+ relics, they too have damage %, but for an hour, it just don't pay off.


You may be able to make 15K attack at your level, but I'd LOVE to know how to make 15K attack at mine. I can make just short of 10K at best (more if i spent the dots to FF everything) but that would still be a LONG way short of 15K.

Anyway. the main point of the thread is that the relics are vastly overpowered and the top guilds are sitting enmasse on then (as can be evidenced by the amount of time they've held them - either that or there is collusion going on *chuckles*). Reducing the stats / relic and splitting off stam/xp/gold gains from hunting gains would help redistribute them as they would have to be more selective about how many to take.

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Posted 06 May 2010 - 17:03

Like Epics, they are a luxury and are meant to sink gold.

And the gold sink feature is lost when guilds hold them for longer periods of time. I'd love to see these relics lose 1 level every day they are held so you have to re-empower back to level 10 daily. But, I'm not a developer, I'm a cranky bad luck infested player.


Or, there is an extra charge on top of empowering them - a gold sink "fee" per hour of occupancy - the amount dependent on the level of the defenders and the number of defenders.

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Posted 06 May 2010 - 17:20

we spend a ton upgrading relics , nuff said

if you cant afford it then to bad.

#19 acvila

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Posted 06 May 2010 - 17:22

Like Epics, they are a luxury and are meant to sink gold.

And the gold sink feature is lost when guilds hold them for longer periods of time. I'd love to see these relics lose 1 level every day they are held so you have to re-empower back to level 10 daily. But, I'm not a developer, I'm a cranky bad luck infested player.


Or, there is an extra charge on top of empowering them - a gold sink "fee" per hour of occupancy - the amount dependent on the level of the defenders and the number of defenders.



it seems you guys like to punish the best for being the best. how is that so? why should i still pay for something i upgraded to max?

#20 Mister Doom

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Posted 06 May 2010 - 17:24

we spend a ton upgrading relics , nuff said

if you cant afford it then to bad.


Come on now. You/we really don't..

Pardoux, I made a thread with a nice little formula for relics.. ;)

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