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#1 Pablobison

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Posted 15 July 2010 - 21:39

I just bought a flaming baron sword for 300 gold, that wasnt they buy now price put up by a noob, it was a 1gold min bid auction.

I cant believe the state of things when one of the most (this is for the older players in the game) valuable items is now more likely to be tossed than prized.

I got a sword drop off a baron about 2 years ago, and it was one of my top 3 FS monemts. Now players that get the drop probably dont care as its not 'epic enough'.

HCS chasing the $$$ so much? Maybe because you can buy every set under the sun (except a few in terms of the thousands avaialble in FS) for shiny gold people dont need to donate.

Rant over.

#2 fs_littlejom

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Posted 15 July 2010 - 21:44

What's there to rant about? Sure some things like this may make you think of the 'glory days' but many other things have been brought into the game to improve. I do agree though these elemental titan drops (in my mind) ruined many sets/items, but players probably complained about it and had it implemented.

#3 Filletminion

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Posted 15 July 2010 - 23:17

Thing that makes me laugh is people who are always selling the cheapest items

as a buyer id want to know i have a chance to get my fsps back if i choose to sell an item but with all the cheapest sellers driving prices ever lower i dont see why i should buy.

#4 fs_sollimaw

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 00:46

Remove all current SE's from rotation to be replaced with new SE's.

Create new recipes for both potions and gear that use items from these current SE's to sink these items from the market. Then re-release them in a year or 2 as Reborn versions.

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 02:13

Remove all current SE's from rotation to be replaced with new SE's.

Create new recipes for both potions and gear that use items from these current SE's to sink these items from the market. Then re-release them in a year or 2 as Reborn versions.


Reasonable obviously but HCS most likely wont do this.

#6 asterxemil

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 03:33

How does anyone do anything on this game besides PvP and Titan hunt with a thrill added to it? Sure LEs are making somewhat of a comeback... but not if their gear is already like 1-2 FSP for Perfect 5-F sets

#7 sweetlou

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 03:52

Remove all current SE's from rotation to be replaced with new SE's.

Create new recipes for both potions and gear that use items from these current SE's to sink these items from the market. Then re-release them in a year or 2 as Reborn versions.

This idea is pretty good, or a version of it. Something is wrong with the SE drops and have been for a very long time(what else is new? lol). The older SE drops were focused on damage and leveling. Legendary and especially Epics have made them obsolete. I feel sorry for the SE hunters today, mostly the ones below 540. Lishka armor has a little value. Everything else under that level is worth nothing.

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 05:27

Remove all current SE's from rotation to be replaced with new SE's.

Create new recipes for both potions and gear that use items from these current SE's to sink these items from the market. Then re-release them in a year or 2 as Reborn versions.

This idea is pretty good, or a version of it. Something is wrong with the SE drops and have been for a very long time(what else is new? lol). The older SE drops were focused on damage and leveling. Legendary and especially Epics have made them obsolete. I feel sorry for the SE hunters today, mostly the ones below 540. Lishka armor has a little value. Everything else under that level is worth nothing.

Yeah this is a great idea but the same SE should respwan but they should be called Enraged Luskia or Enraged Baron

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 05:52

Yeah this is a great idea but the same SE should respwan but they should be called Enraged Luskia or Enraged Baron


imo if they do that at least switch around the spots. Saddened baron could switch spots with enraged lusika, and perhaps it could be gloves armor amulet, helm and boots. They both give set bonuses but if you own both the original and new one you get an even bigger set bonus. :)

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 05:54


Yeah this is a great idea but the same SE should respwan but they should be called Enraged Luskia or Enraged Baron


imo if they do that at least switch around the spots. Saddened baron could switch spots with enraged lusika, and perhaps it could be gloves armor amulet, helm and boots. They both give set bonuses but if you own both the original and new one you get an even bigger set bonus. :)

Bigger set bonuses for all the elites with different items different realms and better stats :)

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#11 fs_regnier7

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 07:21

I feel sorry for the SE hunters today, mostly the ones below 540. Lishka armor has a little value. Everything else under that level is worth nothing.



There's the new level 200 SE.... drop is still damned valuable and for good reason.... I'm just thinking up the possiblities available thanks to it for PVP, GvG, bounty hunting, and even a bit of other stuffs. :)


But if you're only considering older ones, yes.

#12 sweetlou

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 07:54


I feel sorry for the SE hunters today, mostly the ones below 540. Lishka armor has a little value. Everything else under that level is worth nothing.



There's the new level 200 SE.... drop is still damned valuable and for good reason.... I'm just thinking up the possiblities available thanks to it for PVP, GvG, bounty hunting, and even a bit of other stuffs. :)


But if you're only considering older ones, yes.


Sorry, I stand corrected. I was only considering the old SEs. That is how worthless the old drops have become. The saturation of gear is a problem even with elite/champ sets. Would be nice to see more inventing using old pieces with same kind of failure rate. It would only help the economy of the game.

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 08:03

The problem is that to give a new item and/or SE a "value", then it has to be better still than existing stuff - and that road is already too well trodden. Levelling in FS now is so simple, there's no forethought needed - just put on the clothes, buff and go - no deciding what to wear and what buffs you need. It's getting easier and easier.

Even if there was a new SE brought out with drops that weren't game-breaking, but were used to invent a potion or an item or something else, THAT item would have to be better than anything else in it's class or it too would have no value.

If the cows stopped introducing new game-breaking items every five minutes, then a new SE could be a sustainable item/set, but given the recent track record, todays news is DEFINATELY tomorrows chip wrapping (that's fries, for our colonial friends LOL)

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 08:30

We have already disscussed the removal of non vital SEs periodicly to help the market and invigorate the game a bit more. Intrested to see what your ideas are :)

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 08:33

We have already disscussed the removal of non vital SEs periodicly to help the market and invigorate the game a bit more. Intrested to see what your ideas are :)


instead just make those SE parts components to make another SE items..

#16 hades8840

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 08:37

is like anything if you leave the tap open eventually will overflow and its been happening in this game for couple years ..problesm you have is so much gear it cant be used no matter what it cant be used i had mancrusha decay deep and other odds and ends in my bp couple months ago i dumped it all was no point trying to sell so i just threw it away alot of it aswell.........i would never of dreamed of that a year ago.
ppl are not asking for the world just that items ppl hunt or farm have some value ..i remember well farming ragnok and others for a few fsp now u would be lucky to get a few gold.

lol i have a stupid idea would be shot to hell but the game needs something make a epic a item call it what ever you want make its stats not so much game based but charcter based ie decent stam gain so ppl mouths water just at the though decent max stam add gold gain it doesnt matter what as long as ppl think i MUST have this hell if possible have it up base stats by 50% that compenstates for a slot missing and covers all base stats it doesnt matter what it is as long as ppl wet themselfs wanting it..

then make it as hard as hell to make and i dont mean a couple le items make it use 10 full le or se sets that gets rid of 30 plus items on one item at a min being full sets it will add value to the junk we have hell make it 20 full sets just make it so hard but the reward is worth the effort ..

making it so hard will keep the amount of em down make the price of them high but will remove hundreds of worthless pieces of junk that we will never ever get rid of

we need something to add value to what we have not for greed but its how the game works ppl who have fsp buy stuff from ppl who dont who in turn either use em or buy stuff from others

#17 fs_bigdawg112

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 08:49

hmm im sorry to break it to you guys but as far as gear goes there is only 2 options:

1) either the item is better than existing gear (not even necesarily "game breaking") and is thus used.

2) the gear is worse than the existing gear (i.e. fewer stat points) and thus is not used, or used with less frequency.

as game progresses new things are added to game and fall into one of these categories, its natural.

#18 hades8840

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 09:15

hmm im sorry to break it to you guys but as far as gear goes there is only 2 options:

1) either the item is better than existing gear (not even necesarily "game breaking") and is thus used.

2) the gear is worse than the existing gear (i.e. fewer stat points) and thus is not used, or used with less frequency.

as game progresses new things are added to game and fall into one of these categories, its natural.


ur right it is but the 2 options are only limited by hcs not doing enough to allow old gear to be dumped ie not bring it back for a start unless there is a way to rid the game of the existing clutter

its been said a 100 times guild tagging was the greatest thing and the worse for this game.. great cause it ment it stopped the thieves and damn there was alot of them and worse because it was the games natural way to get rid of stuff everyone had to own there own so that kept the price of everything up and two it rid the game of gear when a player stopped playing ..

that one simple act alone destroyed the markets

#19 fs_sollimaw

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 12:20

Gear available will always get better. Its the nature of the game. We all want bigger and better gear. Eventually gear will become too powerful and overcome all monsters with no effort. (The state we are rapidly approaching)

The way to stop the game being easier is a periodic increase of monster stats. By making the monsters stronger periodically, you can negate this effect in large part. Gear that is no longer powerful enough will be phased out or dropped or used in inventing. The new gear which is "more powerful compared to the old gear" will still be right on par to make the game a challenge.

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 12:37

The elemental epics really killed a ton of sets. baron, vexus, samurai, everything else with a weapon up to 300, just about. same with sets between 300 and 500. 300 epic is the best weapon until the 500 epic. so any sets there with a weapon that was used for leveling doesn't matter anymore.


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