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#721 avvakum

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Posted 02 August 2010 - 22:34

also add XP loss to the arena since it's pvp

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Posted 02 August 2010 - 22:36



lol so many players got the idea of leaving the guild I love so much and activity in the forums according to the movie.. and you don't? lol


I have no idea what you are talking about, seriously. :?


That's ok.. :lol:

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Posted 02 August 2010 - 22:37

also add XP loss to the arena since it's pvp


The arena 'did' use to have a stamina cost to partake. 10 stam if I remember correctly? Losing would be like losing to a 10 stam atk.. You could actually level up from the arena a little bit if you were good enough lol

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Posted 02 August 2010 - 22:39

Again, you are quoting without quoting. How will what I have suggested, make it exclusive.


Simple.

Players are afraid to lose 5 right now - imagine what happens when losing 50 becomes possible? Only those with truly no fear will participate. The best of the best, as it were.

OK, progressive is involved in this also. No difference. You attacked, you knew you would get bountied, you knew you might lose 5, so you have the opportunity to evaluate your options and decide if it worth going forward. Then, if you decide it is worth it to lose 5 more, then attack again, and get bountied again. What you are saying, is it should be okay for you to attack someone 8 times, with 1 posting. Try going out and attacking 8 different players, and see if they feel like only 1 of them should post you. It's simply not washing Gravely. You want your cake, and you want to eat it also, and all I am saying, is if you want 8 cakes, then you should eat all 8 of them.


The difference is you're using - as best I can tell - one isolated incident of a single player being randomly assaulted for no good reason.

That sucks. It shouldn't have happened. I hope Order of the White Crow stomped his face in.

But that doesn't mean that many, if not the vast majority of hourlies, don't happen for good reason on the part of the attacker.

The very basic thing you don't understand, ev, is that the board already has the ability to inflict a disproportionate amount of consequence on someone hitting another player. If I hit someone once for 100 stam, and lose five levels for it, I got the very raw end of the deal already. In most cases, unless I have a damn good reason, that's the end of it. That's true for just about anyone in this game, with the exception of two or three war guilds that have the numbers and the wherewithal to go for broke.

The reason some feel that it doesn't do the job is because they don't understand that simply posting a bounty and going on your merry way doesn't get the job done - if someone is seriously harassing you, in your opinion, you need to be speaking with your guild leadership and taking steps to have the attacks stopped, by force if necessary. You obviously are coming at this from the idea that whoever is getting posted will simply eat 80 10 stamina hits.

If that was all that could happen, I'd be perfectly fine with it. But coupled with the idea that a bounty placer should be able to require 100 stamina hits, and the knowledge that many people out there tend to overreact to any sort of pvp interaction whatsoever, I know that there will be those out there that think it's okay to take 50 levels for a bounty clear, or 40 levels for prestige or rating farming.

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Posted 02 August 2010 - 22:41

also add XP loss to the arena since it's pvp


The arena 'did' use to have a stamina cost to partake. 10 stam if I remember correctly? Losing would be like losing to a 10 stam atk.. You could actually level up from the arena a little bit if you were good enough lol


I remember that Phool asked to remove 10 stamina, and Hoof did..

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Posted 02 August 2010 - 22:44

also add XP loss to the arena since it's pvp

I also think gvg would be much more interesting with exp and gold loss a part of it. It would make players think a lot more about how to proceed, rather than the current rp madness we have now.

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Posted 02 August 2010 - 22:45

Simple.

Players are afraid to lose 5 right now - imagine what happens when losing 50 becomes possible? Only those with truly no fear will participate. The best of the best, as it were.


Right now the BB allows for a maximum amount of 5 levels to be taken for an attack on you. Ev's idea is simply to make this rule apply to ALL attacks, if you do not wish to lose lots and lots of levels, don't attack repeatedly, it really is that simple tbh. The choices are all in the attackers hand so they can't cry foul at the end of it all if they do get royally stomped.

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Posted 02 August 2010 - 22:48

Players are afraid to lose 5 right now - imagine what happens when losing 50 becomes possible? Only those with truly no fear will participate. The best of the best, as it were.


Right now the BB allows for a maximum amount of 5 levels to be taken for an attack on you. Ev's idea is simply to make this rule apply to ALL attacks....


And bounty attacks on mandatory 10 hit bounties will count :wink:

It's an either or situation. Either all attacks count, and good luck deleveling WK, TWP, or a few other guilds ever again, or bounty clears can't be countered for more than 10 stam, in which case good luck surviving with your levels intact on the board, ever.

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Posted 02 August 2010 - 22:49

Again, you are quoting without quoting. How will what I have suggested, make it exclusive.


Simple.

Players are afraid to lose 5 right now - imagine what happens when losing 50 becomes possible? Only those with truly no fear will participate. The best of the best, as it were.

OK, progressive is involved in this also. No difference. You attacked, you knew you would get bountied, you knew you might lose 5, so you have the opportunity to evaluate your options and decide if it worth going forward. Then, if you decide it is worth it to lose 5 more, then attack again, and get bountied again. What you are saying, is it should be okay for you to attack someone 8 times, with 1 posting. Try going out and attacking 8 different players, and see if they feel like only 1 of them should post you. It's simply not washing Gravely. You want your cake, and you want to eat it also, and all I am saying, is if you want 8 cakes, then you should eat all 8 of them.


The difference is you're using - as best I can tell - one isolated incident of a single player being randomly assaulted for no good reason.

That sucks. It shouldn't have happened. I hope Order of the White Crow stomped his face in.

But that doesn't mean that many, if not the vast majority of hourlies, don't happen for good reason on the part of the attacker.

The very basic thing you don't understand, ev, is that the board already has the ability to inflict a disproportionate amount of consequence on someone hitting another player. If I hit someone once for 100 stam, and lose five levels for it, I got the very raw end of the deal already. In most cases, unless I have a damn good reason, that's the end of it. That's true for just about anyone in this game, with the exception of two or three war guilds that have the numbers and the wherewithal to go for broke.

The reason some feel that it doesn't do the job is because they don't understand that simply posting a bounty and going on your merry way doesn't get the job done - if someone is seriously harassing you, in your opinion, you need to be speaking with your guild leadership and taking steps to have the attacks stopped, by force if necessary. You obviously are coming at this from the idea that whoever is getting posted will simply eat 80 10 stamina hits.

If that was all that could happen, I'd be perfectly fine with it. But coupled with the idea that a bounty placer should be able to require 100 stamina hits, and the knowledge that many people out there tend to overreact to any sort of pvp interaction whatsoever, I know that there will be those out there that think it's okay to take 50 levels for a bounty clear, or 40 levels for prestige or rating farming.


It is not as isolated as you think Gravely, and I AM the guild leadership.

And Gravely, perhaps if you are not ready to pay the ultimate penalty, then you should not be PvPing so much. If you want to PvP that much, then get prepared to pay the max, as many other PvPers have done. Because, I as a leveler, have paid the max for what the PvPer has given to me.

And if as you say, you 100 stam once, and lose 5, and that is the end of it, then you don't have to worry about losing the 35, do you? But I at least, want the option, to be able to place that bounty, not have it stripped out of my hands, because you are already posted by me for a previous 100 stam hit an hour earlier. And, remember, I did say 10x10, not 10x100.

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Posted 02 August 2010 - 22:50

It's an either or situation.


Thats were you are wrong though Gravely, by suggesting the 10 stam counter bounty idea he is obviously not looking to have BH's destroyed, is he? ;)

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Posted 02 August 2010 - 22:51

Give them their opt out, and skip the potion. Put it in preferences. Selecting the option should disqualify you from ANY type of pvp. No bounty hunting, GvG, obviously no shot at any of the relevant medals, rewards, prestige to be used for leveling, etc. It should also exclude you from taking liberty to discuss it in a public forum from that point forward. Stick to things you know, and like.

People who want to just level can do it, and people who want to do both (or just pvp), the same.
Your gold is not worth this. Bridging any sort of gap and over coming differences to make friends is not worth this. You don't want me, and my style of game play? I don't want you either. Take a hike. All the best. ;)

No problem with minimum bounty attacks being 10. Reset rating, or have it decay. Yes to the expanded pvp range, and exp loss occurring both ways. Close the free hit loophole on the bb, but every attack capable of producing a bounty? No. Poster dictating stam use? No. If you want to dictate stamina, find some.

And if hourly hitting is harassment, then shut it down. Make it possible to only hit a person once a day, outside of GvG or bounty board, obviously.


EDIT: apart from including the arena in the above post, I guess they have to fix the quest(s) where you need a certain amount of PvP rating to start/finish (or not, leave it as a bonus quest for PvP:ing).

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Posted 02 August 2010 - 22:55

It is not as isolated as you think Gravely, and I AM the guild leadership.


I know you're the guild leadership, ev. As for whether it's isolated or not, I'm leadership myself and also deal with people coming to me regarding pvp encounters. Not all of them are legitimate; I also know that on four seperate occasions OoTWC have counter bountied me for legitimate 10 stam clears with conserve running. I can provide you with names, if you like. They've also had friends attempt to hit me on the board.

And Gravely, perhaps if you are not ready to pay the ultimate penalty, then you should not be PvPing so much. If you want to PvP that much, then get prepared to pay the max, as many other PvPers have done. Because, I as a leveler, have paid the max for what the PvPer has given to me.


First, this isn't about me, this is about PvP in general.

Second, who said I wasn't? I'd quit if I couldn't PvP with exp loss in this game, so obviously I'm not afraid of it.

Third, post EXP update, you're not paying very much. 80% of a level on 8 hits is a lot nicer than it used to be, and you want to massively increase the amount of available damage.

But I at least, want the option, to be able to place that bounty, not have it stripped out of my hands, because you are already posted by me for a previous 100 stam hit an hour earlier. And, remember, I did say 10x10, not 10x100.


So you would post me for 10 10 stams, if you could set the stamina minimums.

Would your guildmates?

Would Shardoom?

Would random player #23456 who is absolutely splutteringly enraged (and bringing some of the attention on himself by his own actions)?

You and I both know they wouldn't.

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Posted 02 August 2010 - 22:56



It's an either or situation.


Thats were you are wrong though Gravely, by suggesting the 10 stam counter bounty idea he is obviously not looking to have BH's destroyed, is he? ;)


Doom, you don't get it.

If you can't counter bounty for more than 10 stam worth of exp loss, then anyone who can beat you in combat can smash you with relative impunity.

If you CAN counter bounty for more than 10 stam, and all hits are eligible, the whole thing is a flaming nightmare.

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Posted 02 August 2010 - 22:57

So you would post me for 10 10 stams, if you could set the stamina minimums.

Would your guildmates?

Would Shardoom?

Would random player #23456 who is absolutely splutteringly enraged (and bringing some of the attention on himself by his own actions)?

You and I both know they wouldn't.


Ahahahahahaha

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Posted 02 August 2010 - 22:59

Doom, you don't get it.

If you can't counter bounty for more than 10 stam worth of exp loss, then anyone who can beat you in combat can smash you with relative impunity.

If you CAN counter bounty for more than 10 stam, and all hits are eligible, the whole thing is a flaming nightmare.


Actually Gravely it seems you are the one not getting it, BH's aren't meant to be following the same rules as regular pvp'ers. Read Hoofs post again, they are tools of retribution.

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Posted 02 August 2010 - 23:02

Actually Gravely it seems you are the one not getting it, BH's aren't meant to be following the same rules as regular pvp'ers. Read Hoofs post again, they are tools of retribution.


So if I 100 stam someone on the board, am I a bounty hunting tool of retribution? :roll:

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Posted 02 August 2010 - 23:04

Actually Gravely it seems you are the one not getting it, BH's aren't meant to be following the same rules as regular pvp'ers. Read Hoofs post again, they are tools of retribution.


So if I 100 stam someone on the board, am I a bounty hunting tool of retribution? :roll:


Yes? Someone had placed the target, if they choose 100 stam as the means of punishment then presto, your become the retribution. It even applies right now I guess. If most bounty placers are honest they aren't going to lose sleep if their attackers get 100 stammed.

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Posted 02 August 2010 - 23:05

Yes? Someone had placed the target, if they choose 100 stam as the means of punishment then presto, your become the retribution. It even applies right now I guess. If most bounty placers are honest they aren't going to lose sleep if their attackers get 100 stammed.


Okay, so I 100 stam someone on the board for a guildmate. I take 2 levels, by myself.

I can only get 10 stam counter bountied? :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Posted 02 August 2010 - 23:06

Yes? Someone had placed the target, if they choose 100 stam as the means of punishment then presto, your become the retribution. It even applies right now I guess. If most bounty placers are honest they aren't going to lose sleep if their attackers get 100 stammed.


Okay, so I 100 stam someone on the board for a guildmate. I take 2 levels, by myself.

I can only get 10 stam counter bountied? :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


Now you're getting it... That is exactly what Hoof himself is proposing.

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Posted 02 August 2010 - 23:10

It is not as isolated as you think Gravely, and I AM the guild leadership.


I know you're the guild leadership, ev. As for whether it's isolated or not, I'm leadership myself and also deal with people coming to me regarding pvp encounters. Not all of them are legitimate; I also know that on four seperate occasions OoTWC have counter bountied me for legitimate 10 stam clears with conserve running. I can provide you with names, if you like. They've also had friends attempt to hit me on the board.

And Gravely, perhaps if you are not ready to pay the ultimate penalty, then you should not be PvPing so much. If you want to PvP that much, then get prepared to pay the max, as many other PvPers have done. Because, I as a leveler, have paid the max for what the PvPer has given to me.


First, this isn't about me, this is about PvP in general.

Second, who said I wasn't? I'd quit if I couldn't PvP with exp loss in this game, so obviously I'm not afraid of it.

Third, post EXP update, you're not paying very much. 80% of a level on 8 hits is a lot nicer than it used to be, and you want to massively increase the amount of available damage.

But I at least, want the option, to be able to place that bounty, not have it stripped out of my hands, because you are already posted by me for a previous 100 stam hit an hour earlier. And, remember, I did say 10x10, not 10x100.


So you would post me for 10 10 stams, if you could set the stamina minimums.

Would your guildmates?

Would Shardoom?

Would random player #23456 who is absolutely splutteringly enraged (and bringing some of the attention on himself by his own actions)?

You and I both know they wouldn't.


Again Gravely, that is the target's option to bounty, or counter bounty, and that is the chance that any PvPer takes.

As for legitimacy, I can tell when something is legit or not, and my mates know it, so they don't come to me if it isn't.

Also, we have a guild policy, if you "dabble" in PvP in my guild, don't drag the rest of the guild into it. You stand alone in that one. I won't support it. The same as if I clear a bounty, I don't drag my mates into it if it goes bad. I deal with it on my own.

And again, I have to say, if you are going to hit someone for whatever reason, you had better be able to pay the price. Not hide behind being on the BB already. I am simply saying, if you hit me, I want the option to use the BB for what it was intended. To use hoof's very own words, "retribution". Be that 1 time, or 8 times, or 20 times. Right now, a PvPer could hit a target as many times as they want, every hour on the hour for 24 hours, for 100 stam, and as long as that player has a bounty up on that PvPer, then he cannot be bountied again. That is the plain and simple truth of it.


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