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#121 Windbattle

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Posted 04 August 2010 - 22:41


Target Range Increase.

Increase the PvP target range to +/- 10 over level 200.


If a level 200 hits someone 190...can they hit back? don't like how its limited to levels 200+


Very good point, it should be level 100+. However, you would still have your problem of a level 100 hitting a level 90 and them not being able to hit back.

#122 Roan

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Posted 04 August 2010 - 22:42

Hoof did include it. It is the 7th change that will be added.

Not what I meant.
I mean if a level 307 attacks me, he takes some XP.
If I attack back I don't.

XP loss should work both way. Upper and lower range.

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Posted 04 August 2010 - 22:45


I know you guys are trying to make pvp more fun and get more people in to it but there are a lot of people already having issues leveling/buffs/ and now to add more pvping on to them even worse. These would make finding people to pvp easier and since you guys increases the pvp levels form 5 to 10 there should still be a lot of people on the pvp list. If you are worried about only have a small percent of people pvping then it should tell you that making pvp a bigger thing may not be the best ideal.

The problem isnt that a small % pvp (look at the BB right now, and thats just scratching the surface) but that the ones who pvp were unhappy with how the ladder system, which in general was manipulated by players who tend to call themselfs levelers, and asked the cows in may threads to change how it worked.


I disagree with you on this one KT, what is on the BB right now, is a contest, and there are multiples on there. That is not what I would consider more than a "small %"

#124 Windbattle

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Posted 04 August 2010 - 22:46

One question though : Is the player completing the bounty protected against a counter bounty?


If you read the update, it explains it. The person completing the bounty can be counter bountied for the same stamina in which they used to complete the bounty. Ex. I clear you with 10 - 100 stam hits to clear your bounty, MaximusGR. In return, you can counter bounty me for 10 hits at 100 stamina PER EACH hit.

Thus, the person who has to clear a counter bounty must use 100 Stam hits in order to clear the bounty. This is a way to protect the bounty hunter and stops mercenaries from ruining the game. So, if you hit with 9 - 100 stamina hits, expect a bounty on your head that requires a MINIMUM of 10 - 100 stamina hits.

#125 Windbattle

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Posted 04 August 2010 - 22:47

Hoof answered the question at hand.

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Posted 04 August 2010 - 22:48

Don't worry Wind :) BG saw it and told he would talk about it at the office tomorrow :)

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Posted 04 August 2010 - 22:48

XP loss will work in both directions in the update too :)

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Posted 04 August 2010 - 22:50





I know you guys are trying to make pvp more fun and get more people in to it but there are a lot of people already having issues leveling/buffs/ and now to add more pvping on to them even worse. These would make finding people to pvp easier and since you guys increases the pvp levels form 5 to 10 there should still be a lot of people on the pvp list. If you are worried about only have a small percent of people pvping then it should tell you that making pvp a bigger thing may not be the best ideal.

The problem isnt that a small % pvp (look at the BB right now, and thats just scratching the surface) but that the ones who pvp were unhappy with how the ladder system, which in general was manipulated by players who tend to call themselfs levelers, and asked the cows in may threads to change how it worked.


I disagree with you on this one KT, what is on the BB right now, is a contest, and there are multiples on there. That is not what I would consider more than a "small %"

Like I said, thats only scratching the surface. Not everyone is taking part in the contest, especially those who pvp who do not like to associating them selves with the guild promoting the contest. Thats also not including how many have not been bountied(I have 3-4 attacks up right now that choose not to bonty or are waiting to), and thats not including who simply isnt hear to partake.

Also, my point of that was that the whole point of this update was the PVP community asked for it.

Edit- I took out the "Multis argument" part how you will see it quoted later(but not directly addressed) because I misunderstood Evs last statement about the multiples on the BB. I thought they meant multi accounts, not people posted several times. As to this though, when I said "look at the BB now" I believe looking would include seeing some are posted many times :lol:

#129 Roan

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Posted 04 August 2010 - 22:50

XP loss will work in both directions in the update too :)

WOOT! Best news of all the thread!
Thanks!

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#130 Windbattle

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Posted 04 August 2010 - 22:51

Hoof, since your here. Is there any chance you could look into one more aspect of the BB.

If you currently place a bounty on someone, they can hit you 1 hour from their last attack on you. However, if they attack you, while they are still on the BB from your bounty, then there is no punishment for them. Meaning, you can't place a second bounty on them.

THIS NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED !!!

NOTE: With your change about "x" stamina used, this becomes even more CRITICAL. The mercenary who hits you for 9 - 100 stamina hits, will be bountied. However, if it takes 100 stam hits to clear them off the BB, then they will be up for a long time potentially.

Ex. If they are up 3 hours for this bounty, then they have the ability to hit you 3 times free without any punishment (aka additional bounties).

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Posted 04 August 2010 - 22:54

Hoof, since your here. Is there any chance you could look into one more aspect of the BB.

If you currently place a bounty on someone, they can hit you 1 hour from their last attack on you. However, if they attack you, while they are still on the BB from your bounty, then there is no punishment for them. Meaning, you can't place a second bounty on them.

THIS NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED !!!


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This I agree with.

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Posted 04 August 2010 - 22:56

[quote name="KingTyrin"][quote name="evfisher"]


I disagree with you on this one KT, what is on the BB right now, is a contest, and there are multiples on there. That is not what I would consider more than a "small %"[/quote]
Like I said, thats only scratching the surface. Not everyone is taking part in the contest, especially those who pvp who do not like to associating them selves with the guild promoting the contest. Thats also not including how many have not been bountied(I have 3-4 attacks up right now that choose not to bonty ir are waiting to), and thats not including who simply isnt hear to partake. As for the multi argument, just as many, if not more multi to level for various reasons, we will likely never have a adequate representation.

Also, my point of that was that the whole point of this update was the PVP community asked for it.[/quote][/quote]

Do a head count KT, and give me your numbers. Just because someone is a proliferate PvPer, that does not make for a massive % of PvPers.

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Posted 04 August 2010 - 23:01

No offense, but does it really matter whether a leveler or a PvPer is on the BB? Lets stick to the topic at hand.

The point of the thread is a last chance to get feedback before implementing changes to the PvP aspect of the game. Please keep it relevant to that, if possible.

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Posted 04 August 2010 - 23:01

Do a head count KT, and give me your numbers. Just because someone is a proliferate PvPer, that does not make for a massive % of PvPers.

Please, Ev be reasonable here. How am I supposed to do such a thing? Would you like to count the levelers who never pvp? Think about it, alot of levelers have their rating above that of default, does that mean they are not pvpers? And anyways, this argument serves nothing, because I repeat, your taking me out of context. What I was saying with the first post you quoted was it was pvpers who asked for the ladder to be fixed. Would you like the links to the threads that put this on the table and brought this change about?

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Posted 04 August 2010 - 23:02

No offense, but does it really matter whether a leveler or a PvPer is on the BB? Lets stick to the topic at hand.

The point of the thread is a last chance to get feedback before implementing changes to the PvP aspect of the game.


You are correct WB. :)

#136 Windbattle

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Posted 04 August 2010 - 23:03

KingTyrin, your right. MANY PvPers, in the top 250 PvP Ladder, suggested changes to the current PvP system.

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Posted 04 August 2010 - 23:03


Do a head count KT, and give me your numbers. Just because someone is a proliferate PvPer, that does not make for a massive % of PvPers.

Please, Ev be reasonable here. How am I supposed to do such a thing? Would you like to count the levelers who never pvp? Think about it, alot of levelers have their rating above that of default, does that mean they are not pvpers? And anyways, this argument serves nothing, because I repeat, your taking me out of context. What I was saying with the first post you quoted was it was pvpers who asked for the ladder to be fixed. Would you like the links to the threads that put this on the table and brought this change about?


No KT, I do not. I have seen them all.

#138 Roan

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Posted 04 August 2010 - 23:05

KingTyrin, your right. MANY PvPers, in the top 250 PvP Ladder, suggested changes to the current PvP system.

Actually they are a big proportion of that Ladder that ain't PvPers.
MANY PvPers aren't there :D

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#139 Windbattle

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Posted 04 August 2010 - 23:07

KingTyrin, your right. MANY PvPers, in the top 250 PvP Ladder, suggested changes to the current PvP system.

Actually they are a big proportion of that Ladder that ain't PvPers.
MANY PvPers aren't there :D


*facepalm* why does it matter? we are making changes so that everyone has an EQUAL chance to be a Top Rated PvPer. I was just agreeing that many PvPers, well known in the community, have been the BIGGEST proponents of the change. A good number of which, are also current Top 250 PvP Ladder holders.

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Posted 04 August 2010 - 23:08

It matters cause in fact most of those your talking about aren't there...
That's what those changes are for. To bring them up there.

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