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#461 fs_commiedevo

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 03:51



Some of the widely used Bounty Buffs (FS, SB) are currently set at 20 min, which perfectly coincides with the old bounty system. Now low level players will have to buy twice as many just to keep up. ANOTHER reason why 20 hits is a burden on BHers.



Under this reasoning the cows should get rid of deflect, since being deflected once on a 10 kill bounty would, as you postulate, cause the need to re-buff for hunters. However, with 100% sustain all buffs last longer than 20 minutes.


Nope, wrong. I'm saying that in a perfect scenario, there is a buff for a bounty. Even in a perfect scenario - with all the confounding variables excluded - it is twice as buff costly now. It's simple and I don't see why you can't understand it, quite frankly.

Addendum: I notice that you have an inactive level 20 account... Not sure how many bounties you have placed/cleared, but it's less than 50 on this account (multiple accounts are still banned, no?) as there is no Bounty Master medal.

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 03:57

I clear a 10 kill 10 stam bounty.. I get countered for 20 kills.. LOL FAIL! I defend against someone with 900 rating.. mine is 1600? I win 12 - 20... have honor running.. and lose 209 rating... ummm wha? how is that PvP? I beat someone tonnes of times.. cant gain rating since they are lower ..but mine is drained? lol... if this is how its going to work... count me out... Ill watch from the sidelines as the farmers get their shiny items. defending on the board against lower rating is eseentially a waste of time now... so no need to even dance etc... its for nothing anyways... farmers sit back...wait for a pvpr or bounty hunter to get posted..then clear them.... nice update. And risk free counter bounties... nice, sorry if i seem pissed, but this is wacky lol.

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 04:05

I clear a 10 kill 10 stam bounty.. I get countered for 20 kills.. LOL FAIL!


+1

I'm collecting 50 reasons why the BB updates are bad. This is a new one to my ears, but very sensible. Thanks Maehdros!

Limiting stam + 20 hits = fail!

PS, if it seems like I am commenting a lot on this thread; it's probably because I've kept my mouth nice and shut for 8 months of playing this game. I have not commented on any thread until these "updates" to our bounty system came out. And, since I will leave FS if it's not fixed, I see no reason not to help it along.

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 04:11

I clear a 10 kill 10 stam bounty.. I get countered for 20 kills.. LOL FAIL! I defend against someone with 900 rating.. mine is 1600? I win 12 - 20... have honor running.. and lose 209 rating... ummm wha? how is that PvP? I beat someone tonnes of times.. cant gain rating since they are lower ..but mine is drained? lol... if this is how its going to work... count me out... Ill watch from the sidelines as the farmers get their shiny items. defending on the board against lower rating is eseentially a waste of time now... so no need to even dance etc... its for nothing anyways... farmers sit back...wait for a pvpr or bounty hunter to get posted..then clear them.... nice update. And risk free counter bounties... nice, sorry if i seem pissed, but this is wacky lol.


+1

You have effectively killed the only thing that had kept me playing and spending my MONEY, even more so than when I was playing other aspects. You can be sure my money will stay in the bank.

#465 abhorrence

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 04:12

PvP Changes

I feel the current update is missing an integral part and that is VOLUME of pvp. The thread above is a suggestion made in the beginning of May and was weighed in on by many highly active PvPers. As the current system is now it can still be exploited to farm points.

1) Higher level players can still buy bounties on high pvp ratings people with little on no fear of loosing the rating.
2) Someone could create a low level player, farm pvp, get a bounty placed and clear that bounty to siphon off the pvp rating that is easily gained at low levels with no fear of retribution. Especially considering the PvP gaining buffs you have implemented.

With a system like this you are allowing people that do NOT frequently PvP have an extremely easy way to gain PvP points and are practically begging people to cheat to gain a reward with absolutely no risk.

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 04:16

max bounty raised to 20 = fail, now bounty take much longer than before, get it back to 10...

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 04:20

Under this reasoning the cows should get rid of deflect, since being deflected once on a 10 kill bounty would, as you postulate, cause the need to re-buff for hunters. However, with 100% sustain all buffs last longer than 20 minutes.



So, how does one such as yourself know much at all about the game as it is now?

Really, I'm curious.... you've been inactive for two and a half years, so there really is no other way than..... oh my ;)

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 04:23

Oh, cows, the 4000+ FSP I have sunk into PvP gear? Don't expect any more until and unless it gets fixed, because it is pointless now.


I will not use extortion to get what I want but in a few days I will petition for the players that do not wish to participate in PvP and enjoy the other activities this game has to offer :!:

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 04:24



Under this reasoning the cows should get rid of deflect, since being deflected once on a 10 kill bounty would, as you postulate, cause the need to re-buff for hunters. However, with 100% sustain all buffs last longer than 20 minutes.



So, how does one such as yourself know much at all about the game as it is now?

Really, I'm curious.... you've been inactive for two and a half years, so there really is no other way than..... oh my ;)


++1 to investigating multi-account

LOL

#470 abhorrence

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 04:28

Oh, cows, the 4000+ FSP I have sunk into PvP gear? Don't expect any more until and unless it gets fixed, because it is pointless now.


I will not use extortion to get what I want but in a few days I will petition for the players that do not wish to participate in PvP and enjoy the other activities this game has to offer :!:


That was not extortion...

#471 DaleJunior

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 04:41

Requiring 40 min to complete bounties is a time and buff burden to say the least.


+++1

Some of the widely used Bounty Buffs (FS, SB) are currently set at 20 min, which perfectly coincides with the old bounty system. Now low level players will have to buy twice as many just to keep up. ANOTHER reason why 20 hits is a burden on BHers.


OH come on, there are new potions that last several times longer than those now so this excuse is ridiculous. That's not to say that I completely agree with the bounty taking 40 minutes, I have no problem with the time in between bounties being reduced to 1 minute as has been suggested if they decide to keep the max at 20.

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 04:45

Oh, cows, the 4000+ FSP I have sunk into PvP gear? Don't expect any more until and unless it gets fixed, because it is pointless now.


I will not use extortion to get what I want but in a few days I will petition for the players that do not wish to participate in PvP and enjoy the other activities this game has to offer :!:


That was not extortion...



Excuse me...bribery :!:

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 04:46

Was hoping the 10 kill requirement was going to be retroactive. Would have been so cool to see the fake medals stripped.

No rating gain for defending on the BB, MAJOR FAIL!

#474 fs_commiedevo

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 04:46

Requiring 40 min to complete bounties is a time and buff burden to say the least.


+++1

Some of the widely used Bounty Buffs (FS, SB) are currently set at 20 min, which perfectly coincides with the old bounty system. Now low level players will have to buy twice as many just to keep up. ANOTHER reason why 20 hits is a burden on BHers.


OH come on, there are new potions that last several times longer than those now so this excuse is ridiculous.


Another non-bounty hunter talking about "excuses."....

Addendum: at least you don't have a fake account ;)

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 04:59

That's not to say that I completely agree with the bounty taking 40 minutes, I have no problem with the time in between bounties being reduced to 1 minute as has been suggested if they decide to keep the max at 20.


Please see unread portion of this thread in which I ask:

What about a 17 hit bounty? What would the delay be then? I don't think I even did the math properly in trying to figure out this confusing system and making a 1.7 min sarcastic suggestion. sigh...

Edit: The point is that it is TOTALLY CONFUSING to the hunter; AND, if the goal is to make a 20 min bounty, with CONSISTENT delay times, then for the LOVE OF GAWD, keep the 10-hit bounty system intact!!

#476 abhorrence

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 05:02

Excuse me...bribery :!:


No, not bribery either.

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 05:06

That's not to say that I completely agree with the bounty taking 40 minutes, I have no problem with the time in between bounties being reduced to 1 minute as has been suggested if they decide to keep the max at 20.


Please see unread portion of this thread in which I ask:

What about a 17 hit bounty? What would the delay be then? I don't think I even did the math properly in trying to figure out this confusing system and making a 1.7 min sarcastic suggestion. sigh...


You're right I'm not a bounty hunter but I have cleared bounties. However, the potion excuse you mention is kinda silly particularly considering BM buff makes those 20 minute potions last much longer, not to mention the fact that new stronger potions for those 2 that you mention have recently been itntroduced. Maybe they were thinking ahead when they introduced those potions because they knew this update was coming.

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 05:10

That's not to say that I completely agree with the bounty taking 40 minutes, I have no problem with the time in between bounties being reduced to 1 minute as has been suggested if they decide to keep the max at 20.


Please see unread portion of this thread in which I ask:

What about a 17 hit bounty? What would the delay be then? I don't think I even did the math properly in trying to figure out this confusing system and making a 1.7 min sarcastic suggestion. sigh...


You're right I'm not a bounty hunter but I have cleared bounties. However, the potion excuse you mention is kinda silly particularly considering BM buff makes those 20 minute potions last much longer, not to mention the fact that new stronger potions for those 2 that you mention have recently been itntroduced. Maybe they were thinking ahead when they introduced those potions because they knew this update was coming.


Again, if you read the rest of the thread, I mention that even without the fact that BM buff/longer potions/insert whatever is not realistic for all 1st time (low level) hunters, it is STILL a bad idea for numerous other reasons.

And you still didn't answer my question about the time delay!

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 05:12

You're right I'm not a bounty hunter but I have cleared bounties. However, the potion excuse you mention is kinda silly particularly considering BM buff makes those 20 minute potions last much longer, not to mention the fact that new stronger potions for those 2 that you mention have recently been itntroduced. Maybe they were thinking ahead when they introduced those potions because they knew this update was coming.


Minus what he is saying about 20 min duration Dale, the point is that when one wants to bounty hunt they get buffed up and typically do more then 1 bounty. As the bounty board is sporadic as to when bounties will be placed the argument is that having 40 min long bounties is a intensive time sinc and taking an additional bounty half way through that one will get you a total of 60 min run time. At this point I believe we can agree that buff duration is starting to get stretched.

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 05:15


You're right I'm not a bounty hunter but I have cleared bounties. However, the potion excuse you mention is kinda silly particularly considering BM buff makes those 20 minute potions last much longer, not to mention the fact that new stronger potions for those 2 that you mention have recently been itntroduced. Maybe they were thinking ahead when they introduced those potions because they knew this update was coming.


Minus what he is saying about 20 min duration Dale, the point is that when one wants to bounty hunt they get buffed up and typically do more then 1 bounty. As the bounty board is sporadic as to when bounties will be placed the argument is that having 40 min long bounties is a intensive time sinc and taking an additional bounty half way through that one will get you a total of 60 min run time. At this point I believe we can agree that buff duration is starting to get stretched.


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Thanks, and true! This simple, simple point is that if you double the time, you double the strain on buffs! It is SO easy.

Edit: Would those who primarily level think it was a big deal if all Doubler potions/buffs were cut in 1/2? Doubler 750 = 375? Takes twice as long to hunt? Maybe that is easier for those who don't bounty hunt to understand.


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