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#481 KitiaraLi

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Posted 16 August 2010 - 07:27

Hehe, I'm sure. But if they are really "hardcore," they can hit you! :) Then they can earn additional rating by defending well on the BB.


Who said I would post 'em, I like to bite back better :twisted:

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Posted 16 August 2010 - 07:28


Hehe, I'm sure. But if they are really "hardcore," they can hit you! :) Then they can earn additional rating by defending well on the BB.


Who said I would post 'em, I like to bite back better :twisted:


LOL. Which is why you scare me o.O Also why HARDCORE must be a part of their guild rank ;)

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Posted 16 August 2010 - 07:37


Hehe, I'm sure. But if they are really "hardcore," they can hit you! :) Then they can earn additional rating by defending well on the BB.


Who said I would post 'em, I like to bite back better :twisted:


LOL. Which is why you scare me o.O Also why HARDCORE must be a part of their guild rank ;)


If you are referring to my bio, I will suggest you go here to understand why my bio says as it does -> http://oldschoolboun... ... d-t74.html

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Posted 16 August 2010 - 07:43

LOL. Which is why you scare me o.O Also why HARDCORE must be a part of their guild rank ;)


If you are referring to my bio, I will suggest you go here to understand why my bio says as it does -> http://oldschoolboun... ... d-t74.html


No, that's a whole different hardcore. That one is worth a lot more than a guild rank, in my humble opinion. I put an app on hold ages ago.

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Posted 16 August 2010 - 07:45

No, that's a whole different hardcore. That one is worth a lot more than a guild rank, in my humble opinion. I put an app on hold ages ago.


Maybe it's time to revive it?

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Posted 16 August 2010 - 07:50

No, that's a whole different hardcore. That one is worth a lot more than a guild rank, in my humble opinion. I put an app on hold ages ago.


Maybe it's time to revive it?


It may be.

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Posted 16 August 2010 - 11:36

All of a sudden I have to listen to ppl complaining and whining about getting their bounties cleared?


All of a sudden? When did people NOT complain about getting their bounties cleared? I must have missed that golden era ;)



Honestly, I would think that if you're up on the Bounty Board it is for a good reason. You have attack people. Anyone that expects to attack people and have them roll over and do nothing, is kind of fooling themselves.

The other side of that is clearing the Bounty Board. Personally, I think that if you're clearing the board, you should get less PvP rating, but at the same time not be able to get counter-bountied. After all, you are mechanically fulfilling part of the game. Now I know there will be a lot of flack and discussion about not being able to counter-bounty, but why have bounties at all in the game, if there is not some incentive to it. Right now the only incentive is PvP rating, retribution and some type of small reward from the offer. If your up on the boards you not going to be keeping gold on you. Also, if you want to PvP, there are plenty of people to hit that are not on the board. I just kind of does not make sense.

Ultimately, people will always complain about getting their bounties cleared (unless you go into PvP knowing full well that you are going to get hit back). People will continually counter-bounty because they do not like who they got hit from, or how much stamina was used. That is not going to change, until the system changes.

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Posted 16 August 2010 - 12:37

I see it this way: Pvp'ers hit other players for gold since the beginning. Players who were insulted by that labeled them all bullies, in their minds if nowhere else.


I know a good donator who quit recently because of your guild, not the only one perhaps? Can't be good for the game. Maybe he was taking it all too seriously and needed to toughen up, but regardless he did quit the game because of your guilds delevelling of him on the BB which I suspect was over something pretty petty.

The way the bounty board works is just wrong.. it's just a playground where the pvp guilds can pick on anyone unfortunate enough to end up on it. They know people generally won't get their guildmates to take 5 levels from the PVPers because their guildmates won't want to lose levels.

Hitting players for gold is fair enough although the sometimes major XP loss that comes with the gold loss is really silly game design IMO.

So who's keen for an unofficial PVP event? Choose a pvp guild and pick on them for a change? :wink:

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Posted 16 August 2010 - 13:22

They should change this new ladder to "bounty dominance" thats all it is... clearing bounties and going up the ladder... no stomps, gold hits off the board to climb the ladder ( aka PvP hits etc)...just 10 stams gaining rating... the bigger you are the easier it gets. Is THIS your idea of dominance hoof?



As of now its only players who bounty hunt that are on the ladder. weird as we have a bounty ladder already :? If some of them PvP off the board with more then 10 stam? .. theres no chance to go for PvP dominance... does that make sense?

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Posted 16 August 2010 - 14:26

I know a good donator who quit recently because of your guild, not the only one perhaps? Can't be good for the game. Maybe he was taking it all too seriously and needed to toughen up, but regardless he did quit the game because of your guilds delevelling of him on the BB which I suspect was over something pretty petty.

I disagree with just about everything you posted.

The only way a player gets on the BB is by attacking another player. Getting on the BB is avoidable! What do you consider a 'good' donator? All of your claims sound like pure speculation. Nobody that I know ever delevels a player without a 'reason' whatever that may be. Do you really think making an argument that a donating player got PvPed and quit, even if it was over the incident, will persuade the devs to change PvP in their game? If anyone feels they are being 'harassed' I would encourage them to send a ticket: http://support.huntedcow.com and see what the devs say.

The way the bounty board works is just wrong.. it's just a playground where the pvp guilds can pick on anyone unfortunate enough to end up on it. They know people generally won't get their guildmates to take 5 levels from the PVPers because their guildmates won't want to lose levels.

The BB works just fine. Painting players and/or guilds with just one color, like a PvPer or a PvP guild is an inaccurate generalization and just plain silly. Players that PvP level as well, some more then others. What they have in common is that they play BOTH aspects of the game while too many play just one(level) by choice. A player that can't/won't get their xp 'hands' dirty by playing the game then crying they're the 'victim' because there's no automatic max punishment button is typical. There should be an anonymous group to help. Oh yeah, http://www.olganon.org/ :P

Hitting players for gold is fair enough although the sometimes major XP loss that comes with the gold loss is really silly game design IMO.

This is ludicrous now that xp loss has been applied almost equally amongst all levels of players. Somebody that despises PvP wouldn't likely know that. Once a player realizes that xp is not the only way by which one can gauge themselves to other players they will understand the WHOLE game. To clarify Titans, Arena, SEs etc are all optional while PvP and leveling are mandatory to play FS.

So who's keen for an unofficial PVP event? Choose a pvp guild and pick on them for a change? :wink:

There are already unofficial PvP events even with rules and all... Why don't you join one one of these days? Oh yeah, too many players CHOOSE to not play a major aspect of the game, namely PvP. That will remain their loss and instead leave them to only complain. The argument against PvP in FS is weak and old. I wish it would curl up and die.

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Posted 16 August 2010 - 15:08

I have a question that may have been asked, but honestly I don't have time to read through 34 pages of this thread. There are a few quests that require a minimum PvP rating in order to start. The resetting of the PvP ladder periodically is going to make those quests very difficult if not impossible to complete. As the PvP rating requirements for those going to be lowered or changed?

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Posted 16 August 2010 - 16:07

I have a question that may have been asked, but honestly I don't have time to read through 34 pages of this thread. There are a few quests that require a minimum PvP rating in order to start. The resetting of the PvP ladder periodically is going to make those quests very difficult if not impossible to complete. As the PvP rating requirements for those going to be lowered or changed?

There hasn't been any response by hcs (that i saw) and it's been asked many times. I dont really think it's an issue unless they start farming rating right before a reset. it shouldn't take more than a few days to get the required points.

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Posted 16 August 2010 - 16:27

Choose a pvp guild and pick on them for a change? :wink:



They're allies with the other major PvP guilds....

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Posted 16 August 2010 - 17:41

I have a question that may have been asked, but honestly I don't have time to read through 34 pages of this thread. There are a few quests that require a minimum PvP rating in order to start. The resetting of the PvP ladder periodically is going to make those quests very difficult if not impossible to complete. As the PvP rating requirements for those going to be lowered or changed?

There hasn't been any response by hcs (that i saw) and it's been asked many times. I dont really think it's an issue unless they start farming rating right before a reset. it shouldn't take more than a few days to get the required points.


It has been a long time, but I believe that one of the quests required a PvP raiting of 1600. That's going to take a little more than a few days unless you are going hardcore PvP during that time. But then again, maybe that was the point of that quest. :)

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Posted 16 August 2010 - 18:00

It has been a long time, but I believe that one of the quests required a PvP raiting of 1600. That's going to take a little more than a few days unless you are going hardcore PvP during that time. But then again, maybe that was the point of that quest. :)

I don't remember any quest having that high of a requirement, but since FS is a PvP game, I believe that quests SHOULD have more PvP rating requirements. The devs emphasis of PvP has been weak besides a couple of quests in early levels. I'd like to see some high level quests require a significant rating that gave a reward that was high damage, i.e. something a pure leveler would want. I'm not trying to suggest that the devs force anyone to do anything they don't want. The devs already mandate that any player can be attacked. I'd prefer to see the negative stigma some attach to PvP in the game be reduced. Guess who would love to manipulate this?

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Posted 16 August 2010 - 18:13

It has been a long time, but I believe that one of the quests required a PvP raiting of 1600. That's going to take a little more than a few days unless you are going hardcore PvP during that time. But then again, maybe that was the point of that quest. :)

I don't remember any quest having that high of a requirement, but since FS is a PvP game, I believe that quests SHOULD have more PvP rating requirements. The devs emphasis of PvP has been weak besides a couple of quests in early levels. I'd like to see some high level quests require a significant rating that gave a reward that was high damage, i.e. something a pure leveler would want. I'm not trying to suggest that the devs force anyone to do anything they don't want. The devs already mandate that any player can be attacked. I'd prefer to see the negative stigma some attach to PvP in the game be reduced. Guess who would love to manipulate this?


"You must have a pvp rating of 2000 or higher to continue"

Make it an item that you absolutely NEED in order to 1-hit, and make it give stam and xp gain as well :lol:

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Posted 16 August 2010 - 18:39

"You must have a pvp rating of 2000 or higher to continue"

Make it an item that you absolutely NEED in order to 1-hit, and make it give stam and xp gain as well :lol:

A rating of 2000 sounds a bit high especially under the new ladder. Also to continue to progress leveling wouldn't be stopped(blocked stairways are in SS2), but I'd like to see more emphasis put on a part of the game that has for a very long time been largely ignored only until recently. Making a highly sought after piece would entice players to play ALL of the game, if at least just a little. Of course there will be players fearful of randomly attacking others and risk losing precious xp on the BB so instead they will connive to hit one another bounty free. This already takes place, but if even a small number see PvP as only part of the game instead of a personal affront then it would benefit the game.

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Posted 16 August 2010 - 20:50

The way the bounty board works is just wrong.. it's just a playground where the pvp guilds can pick on anyone unfortunate enough to end up on it.


This is patently false. I do not belong to one of the major PvP guilds. I bounty hunt every time I play. I clear people with 10-stamina hits as a general rule. There are hundreds of players like me.

Sorry, but you are just plain wrong.

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Posted 16 August 2010 - 21:10


Choose a pvp guild and pick on them for a change? :wink:


They're allies with the other major PvP guilds....


Yep.. sad but true. It's best just to avoid PVP contact with those people in my opinion. Until the rules change, unless you're in a pvp guild there's no point hitting them back because they can take 5 levels for whatever silly reason they choose to justify it with, and there's not a lot you can do about it.

The way the bounty board works is just wrong.. it's just a playground where the pvp guilds can pick on anyone unfortunate enough to end up on it.


This is patently false. I do not belong to one of the major PvP guilds. I bounty hunt every time I play. I clear people with 10-stamina hits as a general rule. There are hundreds of players like me.

Sorry, but you are just plain wrong.


Yep I should've chosen my words a little better. It should be 'It can be a playground where the pvp guilds can pick on anyone unfortunate enough to end up on it.' That's the silly thing about forums.. people will pick up on little errors like this and twist them, not referring to you in particular CD, your response is fair enough :)

I'm not even going to bother replying to that other person's one sided response, I have enough hot air for my balloon now, thanks.

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Posted 16 August 2010 - 22:06

Booger, I have talked with you before, at length.

Many players - including you - can and have considered me a PvP player. However, I have only ever belonged to a single guild, and I am pretty much the sole consistently active PvP oriented player in Black Sun.

I have always played my own game, and I have never run afoul of the guild in question. I understand that you feel that they "abuse" the board, but I have seen multiple instances where people both do not tell the full and complete story - which includes actions they are either not proud of or are aware mitigates what happened to them - and where they blame a single incident of PvP for doing something they either were already considering anyway, or as justification for doing XYZ.

This is, in the end, a game. No one can bully you over a game that you voluntarily log into. However, the way you're posting right now, and how your bio reads, is nothing but antagonistic. The "unofficial PVP event" you suggested - can you honestly say you weren't attempting to provoke a response? If you want to play the victim and be righteously angry, go right ahead - but please, don't claim blanket protections for anyone that ever got stomped in this game. Rampant hyperbole and gross exaggerations do less to fix the problem than ignoring it completely. I respect you as a player, but I hope you can actually discuss the issue at hand if you choose to continue to post on the forum regarding this.

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